Will “mass deportation” actually happen (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[MT15]

Thanks, Chuck. It’s just so slow, when he’s rotting away in a camp.

I saw this and I like this explanation.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump's deportation agenda has drawn its focus around Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man the administration illegally shipped to an infamous torture prison in El Salvador - an action they admitted was a mistake, citing an "administrative error."

The Supreme Court has since ruled that the administration must bring him back to America, but Trump, his officials, and Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele have indicated this won't be happening.

Trump's team has since been arguing against the idea that they should have to follow due process and obey the courts, with Vice President J.D. Vance suggesting Tuesday night that the law and the courts should be secondary to ridding the nation of undocumented immigrants.

Trump Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said Tuesday night that "under the due process that these Democrats so venerate for illegal invaders, it is legally impermissible for him to have one more minute in this country."

This is false, as are many of the other points Trump and his officials are making in support of their sending a man with no criminal record to a brutal prison in a nation that a federal judge had prohibited the United States from sending him to.

Here are some of the biggest claims the administration are making about Abrego Garcia, and the reality of his case:

He is a dangerous criminal

"He's an MS-13 gang member classified as a terrorist that was removed from this country," Tom Homan, Trump's border czar, said Wednesday morning on Fox News. "We got rid of a dangerous person, an El Salvador national, who was returned to the country of El Salvador - so he's home."

The Trump administration has repeatedly referred to Abrego Garcia as a dangerous criminal - but Abrego Garcia has never been charged with a crime, in the United States or El Salvador, a fact that his attorneys have repeatedly attested to in court filings.

The Trump administration and their supporters have presented no evidence in court or elsewhere to substantiate the claim that Abrego Garcia is, as Homan put it, a "public safety threat."

He is a gang member

Trump officials have repeatedly described Abrego Garcia as a gang member, particularly a member of MS-13. J.D. Vance even called him a "convicted MS-13 gang member."

There is no actual evidence of this.

According to court documents, Abrego Garcia fled El Salvador around 2011 - at the age of 16 - after several years of Barrio 18 gang members having "stalked, hit, and threatened to kidnap and kill him in order to coerce his parents" into paying extortions to the gang in order to protect the family's pupusa business.

Garcia entered the U.S. without documentation, and moved to Maryland to live with his brother, who had also fled threats from Barrio 18. In 2016, he met his now-wife, a U.S. citizen.

In 2019, Abrego Garcia, who worked in construction, was arrested alongside three other men while soliciting work outside of Home Depot.

The arresting officers accused Abrego Garcia of being a gang member and pressed him and the other men arrested to give up information on other gang members during interrogation.

They later transferred him into U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody, where deportation proceedings were initiated.

In order to justify the detention and potential deportation, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) submitted a Gang Field Interview Sheet ("GFIS") to immigration court.

According to Abrego Garcia's petition last month, the GFIS police submitted explained that "the only reason to believe Plaintiff Abrego Garcia was a gang member was that he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie; and that a confidential informant advised that he was an active member of MS-13 with the Westerns clique."

The "Western" clique of MS-13 "operates in Brentwood, Long Island, in New York, a state that Plaintiff Abrego Garcia has never lived in," the petition read.

The Trump administration has insisted that because two immigration judges denied Abrego Garcia bail during his 2019 detention and asylum proceedings, he is an adjudicated member of MS-13.

An immigration judge ultimately ruled that Abrego Garcia - who has consistently denied any gang affiliation - had provided "credible responses to the questions asked," that his "testimony was internally consistent, externally consistent with his asylum application and other documents, and appeared free of embellishment," and that "he provided substantial documentation buttressing his claims" of persecution in El Salvador by Barrio 18, which continued to harass members of his family who fled to Guatemala.


The judge imposed a "withholding from removal" order, which prohibited his deportation to El Salvador..............

The Trump Admin's Lies About Kilmar Abrego Garcia, Debunked​

The Trump Admin's Lies About Kilmar Abrego Garcia, Debunked

Donald Trump and his administration have been pushing misinformation to justify sending Kilmar Abrego Garcia to a brutal prison in El Salvador.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[superchuck500]

Steve Vladek writing in Atlantic

What the Courts Can Still Do to Constrain Trump

Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s deportation case is a test for the rule of law.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[MT15]

Or he’s already been killed. But more likely this:

 

[bird]

Or he’s already been killed. But more likely this:

I can see either scenario. I can also see that the “coolest dictator” now holds Trump’s balls.

 

[MT15]

I am just now reading that the dictator has previously released at least 10 men and some women who were sent to his camp. So him and this admin saying he “cannot” release Abrego Garcia is just a lie.

But when they have released others, why not him? That puts me more in the camp that he’s dead.

 

[bird]

I am just now reading that the dictator has previously released at least 10 men and some women who were sent to his camp. So him and this admin saying he “cannot” release Abrego Garcia is just a lie.

But when they have released others, why not him? That puts me more in the camp that he’s dead.

Yeah, I think he is too.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Watters can fork all the way off
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Fox News star Jesse Watters backed the Trump administration’s claim that an illegally deported Maryland man is a dangerous terrorist, arguing on Tuesday night that Kilmar Abrego Garcia wearing a Chicago Bulls “means you’re MS-13” and you “hang around with high-ranking gangsters.”

Watters also mocked the assertion that Abrego Garcia first fled El Salvador as a teenager because of threats of violence to his family’s business, claiming it was ridiculous to believe that he initially migrated to the United States because of a “tortilla blood vendetta.”

The right-wing host’s defense of the administration’s refusal to bring Abrego Garcia back to the United States after shipping him to the notorious CECOT prison in El Salvador comes as a federal judge said that lawyers for Abrego Garcia can depose Trump officials to determine their compliance with the Supreme Court’s ruling to “facilitate” his return...........

With the White House threatening a full-blown constitutional crisis by ignoring a Supreme Court ruling, Watters decided to carry the administration’s water on Tuesday night by parroting their talking points on Abrego Garcia.

“Garcia is a Bulls fan, but he’s from El Salvador and he lives in Maryland, not Chicago,” the primetime host declared. “The Bulls lost 60 games in 2019, so why the hat? Can Garcia name anyone on the team? Anyone on any Bulls team besides Jordan?”........

“Everyone from El Salvador knows what it means,” Watters continued on Tuesday night. “When you wear a Bulls hat, it means you’re MS-13. When you’re in Compton, you don’t accidentally wear red and say: ‘Oh, I didn’t know red was Bloods.’ If you’re a Latin American illegal alien in Maryland, you don’t accidentally wear Chicago Bulls gear and hang around with high-ranking gangsters from MS-13.”

On top of that, the Trump-boosting Fox News host also ridiculed the notion that Abrego Garcia fled El Salvador because his family’s pupusa shop had been shaken down by local gang members, resulting in increasing threats of violence. Since moving to the United States, Abrego Garcia has gotten married to an American citizen, with whom he shares a five-year-old child and has raised her two other children from another relationship.

“This is the reason he had to break into the country,” Watters sneered. “Are you ready? A local gang in El Salvador was shaking down his grandma’s tortilla shop, and his lawyers say if he gets sent back to El Salvador, he’s a dead man.”

He concluded: “It’s a tortilla blood vendetta. Seriously? So who are Garcia’s attorneys who managed to get their client a hearing in the Supreme Court?”...........

Jesse Watters says ‘everyone knows’ that wearing a Bulls hat ‘means you’re MS-13’

‘If you’re a Latin American illegal alien in Maryland, you don’t accidentally wear Chicago Bulls gear and hang around with high-ranking gangsters from MS-13,’ Jesse Watters declared on Tuesday night

www.the-independent.com

 

[MT15]

Odds he is dead just went up, imo

 

[MT15]

The hypocrisy is mind numbing.

 

[coldseat]

The hypocrisy is mind numbing.

Everybody in this administration is loathsome. Just absolutely destistable barely human beings.

 

[DaveXA]

Watters can fork all the way off
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Fox News star Jesse Watters backed the Trump administration’s claim that an illegally deported Maryland man is a dangerous terrorist, arguing on Tuesday night that Kilmar Abrego Garcia wearing a Chicago Bulls “means you’re MS-13” and you “hang around with high-ranking gangsters.”

Watters also mocked the assertion that Abrego Garcia first fled El Salvador as a teenager because of threats of violence to his family’s business, claiming it was ridiculous to believe that he initially migrated to the United States because of a “tortilla blood vendetta.”

The right-wing host’s defense of the administration’s refusal to bring Abrego Garcia back to the United States after shipping him to the notorious CECOT prison in El Salvador comes as a federal judge said that lawyers for Abrego Garcia can depose Trump officials to determine their compliance with the Supreme Court’s ruling to “facilitate” his return...........

With the White House threatening a full-blown constitutional crisis by ignoring a Supreme Court ruling, Watters decided to carry the administration’s water on Tuesday night by parroting their talking points on Abrego Garcia.

“Garcia is a Bulls fan, but he’s from El Salvador and he lives in Maryland, not Chicago,” the primetime host declared. “The Bulls lost 60 games in 2019, so why the hat? Can Garcia name anyone on the team? Anyone on any Bulls team besides Jordan?”........

“Everyone from El Salvador knows what it means,” Watters continued on Tuesday night. “When you wear a Bulls hat, it means you’re MS-13. When you’re in Compton, you don’t accidentally wear red and say: ‘Oh, I didn’t know red was Bloods.’ If you’re a Latin American illegal alien in Maryland, you don’t accidentally wear Chicago Bulls gear and hang around with high-ranking gangsters from MS-13.”

On top of that, the Trump-boosting Fox News host also ridiculed the notion that Abrego Garcia fled El Salvador because his family’s pupusa shop had been shaken down by local gang members, resulting in increasing threats of violence. Since moving to the United States, Abrego Garcia has gotten married to an American citizen, with whom he shares a five-year-old child and has raised her two other children from another relationship.

“This is the reason he had to break into the country,” Watters sneered. “Are you ready? A local gang in El Salvador was shaking down his grandma’s tortilla shop, and his lawyers say if he gets sent back to El Salvador, he’s a dead man.”

He concluded: “It’s a tortilla blood vendetta. Seriously? So who are Garcia’s attorneys who managed to get their client a hearing in the Supreme Court?”...........

Jesse Watters says ‘everyone knows’ that wearing a Bulls hat ‘means you’re MS-13’

‘If you’re a Latin American illegal alien in Maryland, you don’t accidentally wear Chicago Bulls gear and hang around with high-ranking gangsters from MS-13,’ Jesse Watters declared on Tuesday night

www.the-independent.com

Dude is a dumbass and a Trump bootlicker. Why anyone would listen to him beats the hell out of me.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Dude is a dumbass and a Trump bootlicker. Why anyone would listen to him beats the hell out of me.

He’s somehow even worse than Tucker Carlson

 

[DaveXA]

He’s somehow even worse than Tucker Carlson

Yeah, I didn't think that was possible...but...birds of a feather and all that.

 

[Ayo]

I am afraid y'all are right. The man is likely dead.

Watters is playing the laziest race card ever. This is like the Chicago White Sox hats in the early 90s. Not that they've ever been subtle, but this is a new level of half-assed but dangerous metonymy

 

[bird]

I am afraid y'all are right. The man is likely dead.

Watters is playing the laziest race card ever. This is like the Chicago White Sox hats in the early 90s. Not that they've ever been subtle, but this is a new level of half-assed but dangerous metonymy

Not to mention Watters is an absolute buffoon in addition to racist.

 

[DaveXA]

You know, the whole repeating history thing...

"Terrible things are happening outside. At any time of night and day, poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. They’re allowed to take only a knapsack and a little cash with them, and even then, they’re robbed of these possessions on the way. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared. Women return from shopping to find their houses sealed, their families gone." - Anne Frank, The Diary of a Young

Have we learned absolutely nothing?

 

[superchuck500]