Will “mass deportation” actually happen (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Texan1211]

Your vote is irrelevant.

Was your vote relevant?

 

[bird]

The most definitive poll came in Nov. According to exit polling immigration was top of the list of concerns. Dismiss it if you like. But all anyone has to do is turn on the news. City after city is struggling with migration problems. And these problems didn’t start in the fourth year of Biden’s term. So your argument that this is all on one party is BS. Your party stood by for three years along with your POTUS and watched this happen. They reversed existing policy which exacerbated the migrant problem two and threefold. They did so without a plan or solution in place for dealing with all these people. Why open the flood gates before you have a solution in place? Where is the wisdom in that.

My opinion. They didn’t care. They would just blame the problem on Trump. You’ve proven that here. They knew that once all these migrants set foot in this country, it would take years to work thru all these people asylum claims and that even if the court ruled against them, it would take years and billions of dollars to deport them. It was predicted before Biden took office. It wasn’t a surprise.

So if that was the plan ( and I believe it was), it backfired. And in my opinion, the responsible parties paid the price at the ballot box. So your candidate lost to a man that your party cast as the second coming of Hitler. Your candidate lost to a man your party attempted to cast as a threat and end to democracy. It may just be me but I believe your party has a policy and a messaging problem.

The pendulum swings both ways. This go round is swing to the Republicans. Next election it may go the other way. Whether that happens depends on whether Republicans over reach (and they might) and whether the Democrats find a message that works for folks in the center. The largest block of registered voters claim to be independents. IOW they don’t particularly care for either party. I think that’s where elections are won or lost.

Congratulations! The Democratic Party has an agitprop problem. I actually agree with that.

Agitprop was very useful in ginning up immigration as a problem when deportations were up.

The floodgates never were “opened”. That is an excellent example of Republican agitprop.

Your glossing over of the legislation is most telling. A legislative proposal by both parties would have dealt with the issue. Sure, things were not good but they were not and are not what Republicans claimed they were. But the legislation would have helped. Would it have stopped the issue, resolved the issue? No. Would it have helped? Very likely. The lack of action due to the moral cowardice and blind fealty to Trump underscored that the immigration issue shifted from being an issue to be addressed to a tool to win/hold power. Machiavelli would be proud.

 

[bird]

Was your vote relevant?

The adults are talking.

 

[TampaJoe]

Congratulations! The Democratic Party has an agitprop problem. I actually agree with that.

Agitprop was very useful in ginning up immigration as a problem when deportations were up.

The floodgates never were “opened”. That is an excellent example of Republican agitprop.

Your glossing over of the legislation is most telling. A legislative proposal by both parties would have dealt with the issue. Sure, things were not good but they were not and are not what Republicans claimed they were. But the legislation would have helped. Would it have stopped the issue, resolved the issue? No. Would it have helped? Very likely. The lack of action due to the moral cowardice and blind fealty to Trump underscored that the immigration issue shifted from being an issue to be addressed to a tool to win/hold power. Machiavelli would be proud.

I guess we will see just how willing Democrats are to fix the border/immigration problem. I’m sure new legislation will be offered up in the next Congress. So we will see how that works out.

 

[Texan1211]

Congratulations! The Democratic Party has an agitprop problem. I actually agree with that.

Agitprop was very useful in ginning up immigration as a problem when deportations were up.

The floodgates never were “opened”. That is an excellent example of Republican agitprop.

Your glossing over of the legislation is most telling. A legislative proposal by both parties would have dealt with the issue. Sure, things were not good but they were not and are not what Republicans claimed they were. But the legislation would have helped. Would it have stopped the issue, resolved the issue? No. Would it have helped? Very likely. The lack of action due to the moral cowardice and blind fealty to Trump underscored that the immigration issue shifted from being an issue to be addressed to a tool to win/hold power. Machiavelli would be proud.

What the Numbers Tell Us About the Recent Immigration Surge

There was an unprecedented increase in immigration during the Biden years, but no spike in crime or illegal voting.

nymag.com

The Largest Immigration Surge in U.S. History

We explain the scale of recent immigration to America.

www.nytimes.com

MSN

 

[coldseat]

I guess we will see just how willing Democrats are to fix the border/immigration problem. I’m sure new legislation will be offered up in the next Congress. So we will see how that works out.

Meh. Republicans have already said and promised that they don't need legislation to "fix" the border. You have said it yourself. Let Republicans do it all on their own, since that's what Americans voted for. Maybe Americans will realize that's a mistake for the next election and that actual immigration reform through the passage of laws is actually needed.

 

[Texan1211]

Meh. Republicans have already said and promised that they don't need legislation to "fix" the border. You have said it yourself. Let Republicans do it all on their own, since that's what Americans voted for. Maybe Americans will realize that's a mistake for the next election and that actual immigration reform through the passage of laws is actually needed.

How about we actually enforce the laws already on the books before creating new ones to ignore?

 

[coldseat]

How about we actually enforce the laws already on the books before creating new ones to ignore?

They are being enforced. But good to see you think no new laws are necessary.

 

[Texan1211]

They are being enforced. But good to see you think no new laws are necessary.

If the laws on the books were fully enforced, why was there a record surge at the border under Biden/Harris?
And for the record and in the interest of truth, I never said laws were unnecessary, don't be putting false words in my mouth. I clearly (at least it SEEMED clear) stated no new laws were necessary to ignore.

 

[coldseat]

If the laws on the books were fully enforced, why was there a record surge at the border under Biden/Harris?
And for the record and in the interest of truth, I never said laws were unnecessary, don't be putting false words in my mouth. I clearly (at least it SEEMED clear) stated no new laws were necessary to ignore.

What does the enforcement of laws have to do with the number of people coming to the border? Just because we enforce our laws, it doesn't mean people are not going to come to or surge at the border. Those two things are not directly connected.

You've consistently diminished the importance of the bill that would have addressed some of the current problems at the border. And you no doubt voted for people that voted against that bill or would have had it come up. So why would you do that if you didn't think it wasn't necessary?

 

[Texan1211]

What does the enforcement of laws have to do with the number of people coming to the border? Just because we enforce our laws, it doesn't mean people are not going to come to or surge at the border. Those two things are not directly connected.

You've consistently diminished the importance of the bill that would have addressed some of the current problems at the border. And you no doubt voted for people that voted against that bill or would have had it come up. So why would you do that if you didn't think it wasn't necessary?

Do you think people come to the border to sight-see? I haven't said one word about the border bill so quote me doing what you claim.

 

[coldseat]

Do you think people come to the border to sight-see?

What? How is that a response to what I said. My point was that even with us enforcing or laws, migrants will come to the border to try and cross or seek asylum. If you want to change the asylum process so that people don't take advantage of our laws (which is what most people seem to be the most upset about), then you need to change the asylum process through new laws. It's not about enforcement. Democratic president remove more illegal immigrants from the country than Republicans do, that has been the case for a while now.

I haven't said one word about the border bill so quote me doing what you claim.

I mixed you up with TampaJoe, since I was originally responding to him. But since we're on the topic, did you vote for people who opposed the border bill? Is so, why?

 

[Texan1211]

What? How is that a response to what I said. My point was that even with us enforcing or laws, migrants will come to the border to try and cross or seek asylum. If you want to change the asylum process so that people don't take advantage of our laws (which is what most people seem to be the most upset about), then you need to change the asylum process through new laws. It's not about enforcement. Democratic president remove more illegal immigrants from the country than Republicans do, that has been the case for a while now.



I mixed you up with TampaJoe, since I was originally responding to him. But since we're on the topic, did you vote for people who opposed the border bill? Is so, why?

That bill is dead, why keep on and on about something never passed? I didn't care if it passed or not, it would be more law to ignore. Biden presided over a record number of immigrants coming. I don't think taxpaying citizens should be supporting aliens. Immigrants should be self supporting. Biden only did something that had a positive effect after he was shamed into it by Democrats bearing the costs for their own failing policies.

 

[Texan1211]

The adults are talking.

Oh, the "adult" who thinks votes are irrelevant?

 

[coldseat]

That bill is dead, why keep on and on about something never passed? I didn't care if it passed or not, it would be more law to ignore. Biden presided over a record number of immigrants coming. I don't think taxpaying citizens should be supporting aliens. Immigrants should be self supporting. Biden only did something that had a positive effect after he was shamed into it by Democrats bearing the costs for their own failing policies.

So ignore the points I made and fall back into right wing rhetoric when you can't make any logical arguments in response. Typical.

 

[Texan1211]

So ignore the points I made and fall back into right wing rhetoric when you can't make any logical arguments in response. Typical.

Do you deny the border only showed improvement after Biden's hand was forced? One of the most brilliant political moves of all time, ship aliens to sanctuaries so they can feel the actual effects of their own policy.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Anyone that supports force-bussing migrant children with no coats or proper attire into frigid temperatures in DC, NYC, and Chicago for a political stunt and thinks that is brilliant is subhuman, and I don't give a warm crap on a cold morning if they like hearing that.

 

[Texan1211]

Anyone that supports force-bussing migrant children with no coats or proper attire into frigid temperatures in DC, NYC, and Chicago for a political stunt and thinks that is brilliant is subhuman, and I don't give a warm crap on a cold morning if they like hearing that.

Gee, you mean to tell me that kids were held against their will and transported across state lines and Biden didn't do anything?