Will “mass deportation” actually happen (7 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[TampaJoe]

Meh. Republicans have already said and promised that they don't need legislation to "fix" the border. You have said it yourself. Let Republicans do it all on their own, since that's what Americans voted for. Maybe Americans will realize that's a mistake for the next election and that actual immigration reform through the passage of laws is actually needed.

As I said we will see how interested Democrats are with fixing the problem via legislation or whether they will play the same political games they claim the Republicans are playing. Will the Merry Go Round never stop?

 

[Texan1211]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Way off the rails when attempting to equate the Holocaust with immigration in the US. Off the planet, in fact.

 

[Texan1211]

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation -

Say, remember that inflation is just transitory. Economists are often wrong, look at Krugman predicting gloom and doom a few years ago!

 

[Dragon]

So the flights did occur, thanks for admitting that.

Did you notice that it was done under Obame and Trump too? Just relocating people IN the system when space was an issue. This was not a Biden policy as you claim

And this shows that the government did not pay for adults relocation

If the person is being released far from their ultimate destination, then ICE will make sure the person’s sponsor (usually a family member) has bought them a plane or bus ticket so they can get to their destination in safety. Under both Obama and Trump, it was routine to see migrants being dropped off at the San Antonio bus station with Greyhound tickets. Even in 2019, during the height of Trump’s anti-asylum policies, ICE was contracting with private companies to drop migrants off at shelters.

 

[Texan1211]

Did you notice that it was done under Obame and Trump too? Just relocating people IN the system when space was an issue. This was not a Biden policy as you claim

I did notice.
I wish you would have noticed that I didn't say it was a Biden policy.
This seems like an ongoing problem, you claiming stuff about me without a shred of evidence.
Please in the future just address what I actually write.

 

[coldseat]

As I said we will see how interested Democrats are with fixing the problem via legislation or whether they will play the same political games they claim the Republicans are playing. Will the Merry Go Round never stop?

It won't. You guys never hold Republicans responsible for the political games the play that hurt the country. You just elect more horrible Republicans that play more dangerous political games and never solve problems.

 

[Dragon]

I did notice.
I wish you would have noticed that I didn't say it was a Biden policy.
This seems like an ongoing problem, you claiming stuff about me without a shred of evidence.
Please in the future just address what I actually write.

I guess you forgot this one ??

There is simply no denial that the border situation improved after Biden reinstituted some Trump policies late in his term.
Immigrants, IMO, should be fully self-supporting. It used to be a thing here. Abbott did what he had to do because Biden was doing nothing. BTW, was it a 'stunt' when the Biden Admin. flew immigrants around the country?

 

[Texan1211]

Did you notice that it was done under Obame and Trump too? Just relocating people IN the system when space was an issue. This was not a Biden policy as you claim

And this shows that the government did not pay for adults relocati

I guess you forgot this one ??

Not at all. Be upright and simply QUOTE me saying it was a Biden policy. Can you just prove what you claim?

 

[TampaJoe]

What does the enforcement of laws have to do with the number of people coming to the border? Just because we enforce our laws, it doesn't mean people are not going to come to or surge at the border. Those two things are not directly connected.

You've consistently diminished the importance of the bill that would have addressed some of the current problems at the border. And you no doubt voted for people that voted against that bill or would have had it come up. So why would you do that if you didn't think it wasn't necessary?

Sure they are directly connected. People come because they have an expectation they can succeed in getting into this country. They also have a reasonable expectation that once in they will be allowed to stay. To think otherwise is so naive it’s cute.

The Biden administration never intended to enforce border laws. I read the Build Back Better section on his election website. There wasn’t a mention in that policy on enforcement. This surge in migration was predicted before the election and before he took office. It was predictable. He ignored those predictions and did it anyway and we all see the results.

This notion that enforcing laws has nothing to do with people abiding by the law makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It’s nonsense. We are either a nation of laws or we are not.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The GOP and MAGA world has been saying for years that illegal immigration is a scourge on our land, our safety and our prosperity.

They claim they are "poisoning the blood of our nation"

I live right outside Washington DC, a major metropolitan area, do we have illegal people here? Probably. Probably a ton of them

If they say that undocumented migration is a crisis and it's never been worse under Biden than it's ever been, I can't tell

If we are being told it's been lower under Biden than it's been in decades frankly, I can't tell that either

I'd bet dollars to donuts that the vast majority of people complaining about this 'invasion' the longest and loudest can't tell either

"Really, your number one concern and issue in Des Moines, Iowa is the border crisis?"

 

[Dragon]

Not at all. Be upright and simply QUOTE me saying it was a Biden policy. Can you just prove what you claim?

Adding a ? is your way to say something and then deny it afterwards? Got it.

 

[Texan1211]

Adding a ? is your way to say something and then deny it afterwards? Got it.

No, adding a ? demotes a question. Perhaps you have heard of them before. Now, about me claiming it was a Biden policy, what have you actually got to back that up?

 

[coldseat]

Sure they are directly connected. People come because they have an expectation they can succeed in getting into this country. They also have a reasonable expectation that once in they will be allowed to stay. To think otherwise is so naive it’s cute.

The Biden administration never intended to enforce border laws. I read the Build Back Better section on his election website. There wasn’t a mention in that policy on enforcement. This surge in migration was predicted before the election and before he took office. It was predictable. He ignored those predictions and did it anyway and we all see the results.

This notion that enforcing laws has nothing to do with people abiding by the law makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It’s nonsense. We are either a nation of laws or we are not.

Trump didn't stop people from migrating to the border in his first administration. Remain in Mexico didn't stop people from migrating to the border, it just kept them in Mexico. The only thing that stopped people migrating to the border temporarily was COVID.

 

[Texan1211]

Trump didn't stop people from migrating to the border in his first administration. Remain in Mexico didn't stop people from migrating to the border, it just kept them in Mexico. The only thing that stopped people migrating to the border temporarily was COVID.

Great policy!

 

[superchuck500]

Way off the rails when attempting to equate the Holocaust with immigration in the US. Off the planet, in fact.

Oh this again? I never "equated" it - and I defended my presentation multiple times.

I am basically contending that the state and local apparatus it would take to perform the mass-deportation, as conceived and argued by Trump and others, would be virtually the same as the Holocaust until you get well down the line - it doesn't diverge until you get to the distinction between final disposition to a work or death camp in the Holocaust/Final-Solution scenario versus transportation to the nation that the US determines the person goes to in the mass-deportation scenario. But up until that point, it is substantially similar.

I think that this is unequivocally correct in its structural analysis and refusing to acknowledge it only means that you're not being honest with yourself about it. Or you can attempt to structurally refute it but i'll go ahead and give the spoiler - you're not going to. I've already played this game multiple times on this thread.

Fortunately (also central to my analysis), it's not going to happen because that kind of apparatus is both wildly expensive and highly objectionable. It's one of those things, like so much of MAGA, that people talk with these grand ideas but when it comes time to do it, there's just some milquetoast program not much different than what is already there.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Trump torpedoing the immigration bill that was miles better than what the GOP could have expected and had most of what they said they wanted just so Biden couldn't get a 'win' and to help him win the election should have been disqualifying

Just add it to the list of things that should have been disqualifying

 

[Texan1211]

Oh this again?

Do you mean you do this often?
There is nothing wrong with deporting people here illegally.

 

[Dragon]

No, adding a ? demotes a question. Perhaps you have heard of them before. Now, about me claiming it was a Biden policy, what have you actually got to back that up?

You asked if it was a stunt - but claimed that Biden flew immigrants around the country. The first part is the question, the second part is what you state as truth.