Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I’d say you have issues with the English language.

Definition of BUT

except for the fact; that —used after a negative; without the concomitant that… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

My use fits nicely with “on the other hand”.

Nowhere does merriam say it is used as “justification “.

"I have a big issue with sending them directly to a foreign prison. It’s just wrong.

On the other hand..."

Yeah, that makes it so much better. lmao

 

[brandon]

They do. You're expressing yourself badly.

If your position is that:

1) It's a bad idea and wrong to "basically grab people and call them gang members and send them to a prison in another country without any due process", as @MT15 put it. And you hold this position regardless of:
2) One reason they might be doing it is to scare other people who might be affected into self-deporting.

Then you wouldn't, typically, use 'but' to connect the two.

Because when you say, "it's wrong, but it could be intended to encourage people to self-deport," that expresses the latter part as a mitigation or justification for the first part.

I agree that one of the things they're trying to do is scare people (and not just people limited to 'illegally present gang members' but anyone who thinks they could be treated as such regardless of their innocence). But that's not a 'but'. It's an 'and'.

They're basically grabbing people and calling them gang members and sending them to a prison in another country without any due process, and one of the reasons they're doing this is to scare people.

This is the kind of semantic bludgeoning that gets my grammar nazi blood flowing.

 

[MT15]

Sendai - just stop digging. Good grief. If you truly have a serious problem with these actions, then your “but” statement was worded wrong. Just admit it and move on.

On the other hand (lol) if you truly meant to give a justification, then just stop posting about it. You do yourself no favors here.

 

[bird]

This is the kind of semantic bludgeoning that gets my grammar nazi blood flowing.

It was enjoyable, wasn’t it? The only thing that could have made it even better was, to borrow from the animated movie Flushed Away, “and buy your kids a puppy”.

 

[Sendai]

Uh huh. And what's "on the other hand" to "it's wrong"?

Stop digging, you're just making a complete clown of yourself here.

“But a gang member, illegally present, might have second thoughts about remaining if they realize they could end up in one of the world’s most notorious prisons. And I wonder if the few planes sent to El Salvador were intended to plant that fear. Seems a bit coincidental that the self deport app popped up about the same time.”

 

[Sendai]

Sendai - just stop digging. Good grief. If you truly have a serious problem with these actions, then your “but” statement was worded wrong. Just admit it and move on.

On the other hand (lol) if you truly meant to give a justification, then just stop posting about it. You do yourself no favors here.

I guess you simply don’t understand Merriam Webster’s entomology of the word “But”. Certainly doesn’t mean “justification”. Except in your fevered mind.

 

[Sendai]

This is the kind of semantic bludgeoning that gets my grammar nazi blood flowing.

Well if you don’t understand Webster’s entomology you are going to be a bad grammar nazi.

 

[brandon]

Well if you don’t understand Webster’s entomology you are going to be a bad grammar nazi.

*etymology

 

[RobF]

“But a gang member, illegally present, might have second thoughts about remaining if they realize they could end up in one of the world’s most notorious prisons. And I wonder if the few planes sent to El Salvador were intended to plant that fear. Seems a bit coincidental that the self deport app popped up about the same time.”

You can't be this dense.

Before the 'but' - you know, the key context you've left out above - you said, "I have a big issue with sending them directly to a foreign prison. It’s just wrong."

Saying 'but', in the sense you claim you're using of "on the other hand" is on the other hand to it's just wrong, i.e. a contrasting, strikingly different, view, which in this context inevitably implies a justification, or mitigation to it being wrong.

Because that's what's "on the other hand" to "it's wrong".

I mean, how are you not getting this. Do you not know what "on the other hand" means either?

Like if I say, "It's wrong to mock someone mercilessly for their complete lack of comprehension, but on the other hand it's kind of fun and at this point they probably deserve it," do you really think I'm not presenting the latter part as a justification for doing it and suggesting it's not wrong if merited?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I guess you simply don’t understand Merriam Webster’s entomology of the word “But”. Certainly doesn’t mean “justification”. Except in your fevered mind.

This is really starting to bug me...

Definition of ENTOMOLOGY

a branch of zoology that deals with insects… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[bird]

This is really starting to bug me...

Definition of ENTOMOLOGY

a branch of zoology that deals with insects… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

…bug me. I see what you did there.

 

[MT15]

This is really starting to bug me...

Definition of ENTOMOLOGY

a branch of zoology that deals with insects… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

I guess you are a dad after all, lol.

 

[MT15]

I guess you simply don’t understand Merriam Webster’s entomology of the word “But”. Certainly doesn’t mean “justification”. Except in your fevered mind.

Okay moving on, I would like to suggest you do a bit of reflection here.

Do the ends justify the means?

To a person with moral clarity, the answer should be no. Evil done in the pursuit of “good” is still evil. You seem to be swayed by your excitement at what they are doing to the point that you are okay with the immoral, unconstitutional and illegal means.

Do I have any confidence that you will engage in a bit of self-reflection? Well, considering the absolute stubborn inability to admit being the least bit wrong about your phrasing, no I do not.

 

[UriUT]

I saw a random post on threads or bluesky last night from a person who said he was sending out an sos. He stated that someone he knew who worked at a detention center said things are dire. That supplies were low, water food etc because the center was designed for x amount of people and the facility exceeded that with no supplies incoming. Welp, just browsed bluesky and see this.

 

[UriUT]

Hmmm.....let me pull my brain out for this.

 

[MT15]

Hmmm.....let me pull my brain out for this.

Such mental gymnastics being done.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I saw a random post on threads or bluesky last night from a person who said he was sending out an sos. He stated that someone he knew who worked at a detention center said things are dire. That supplies were low, water food etc because the center was designed for x amount of people and the facility exceeded that with no supplies incoming. Welp, just browsed bluesky and see this.

If was always a question of when and not if there would be deaths

Next question will be when will there be deaths of people here legally

And then victim blaming will start

“He shouldn’t have had those tattoos”

“She shouldn’t have been hanging out with those people”

“They shouldn’t have been in that area”

 

[Optimus Prime]

The US Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is reportedly nearing a deal to allow immigration officials to use tax data to support Donald Trump’s deportation agenda, according to reports by theWashington Post.

Under the proposed data-sharing agreement, said to have been in negotiations for weeks, Immigration And Customs Enforcement (Ice) could hand over the names and addresses of undocumented immigrants to the IRS, raising concerns about abuse of power from the Trump administration and the erosion of privacy rights.

If access to this confidential database is agreed upon, it would mark a significant shift, likely becoming the first time immigration officials have relied on the tax system for enforcement assistance in such a sweeping way.


Under the agreement, the IRS would cross-reference names of undocumented immigrants with their confidential taxpayer databases, a move that would breach the long-standing trust in the confidentiality of tax information.

Such data has historically been considered sensitive and thereby closely guarded, so the reported deal has raised alarm bells at the IRS, according to the Washington Post.

The IRS website says that undocumented immigrants “are subject to US taxes despite their illegal status”, and because most are unable to get social security numbers, the agency allows them to file with individual taxpayer numbers, known as ITINs.

The agency also subjects them to the same reporting and withholding obligations as it does to US citizens who receive the same kind of income.

More than half of the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US file income tax returns to document their payments to the government.

While the IRS mandates that taxpayer information is protected, section 6103 on the agency’s websiteoutlines that “under court order, return information may be shared with law enforcement agencies for investigation and prosecution of non-tax criminal laws.”

However, sources familiar with the matter told the Washington Post that it would be rare for these privacy law exceptions to be weaponized for cooperation with immigration enforcement and that this is outside of standard procedure.

The potential shift in taxpayer data use, from once being used to rarely build criminal cases to now reportedly becoming instrumental in enforcing criminal penalties, aligns with many of the more aggressive immigration policies Trump is pursuing…….

IRS nears deal with Ice to share data of undocumented immigrants – report

Immigration officials could give names and addresses, raising concerns about Trump administration’s abuse of power

www.theguardian.com