Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Federal agents involved in a supposed widespread immigration crackdown in Los Angeles County reportedly were reluctant to show a warrant to a city traffic officer for a family member they believed to be an undocumented migrant.

The crackdown didn't amount to much, according to sources who spoke to the Los Angeles Times — only 12 individuals were reportedly picked up and detained at the Metropolitan Detention Center in LA, despite federal officials requesting enough space to house 120.

Because the lockup typically only takes new inmates on weekends, additional staffing had to be called in over the weekend, meaning taxpayers were on the hook to pay for the extra staffing cost.

One of the individuals targeted in the supposed raid was the father-in-law of Flipe Espinoza, 56, who works as a traffic officer in LA. He was in the middle of a workout over the weekend when FBI agents arrived at his house and demanded he open his door.

He looked outside and saw half a dozen agents standing outside his home. He stayed inside but raised his hands and asked what they wanted.

The agents reportedly told him they were looking for his father-in-law, whose vehicle was registered at Espinoza's address.

The traffic cop reportedly told the federal agents that he "hadn't seen him in awhile," according to the LA Times……….

LA traffic officer confronted at home by ICE agents, report says

Federal officials reportedly arrested 12 people during the weekend raid, despite requesting space to hold 120

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

…….It’s time to get real about the fact that the wealthiest 1% in this country has kicked their feet up and watched the vast majority of people suffer and fight over breadcrumbs.

They have planted and watered hateful seeds of division and individualism to sell communities the lie that we should only look out for ourselves and that our neighbors, especially immigrants, are not our comrades.

Take, for instance, the myth that Trump and rightwing billionaires have sown that American workers are losing at the expense of undocumented workers.

The issue is not a lack of jobs in this country or that undocumented people came to the US in search of an overall better life.

Past crackdowns on immigrants are proof that this has never resulted in more jobs for US-born workers; it hasn’t made life better or easier. In fact, it’s made life more expensive for everyone.

Agriculture, for example, is an industry in which about 70% of crop workers were born outside the United States and at least 40% are undocumented.

Mass deportations would assuredly result in supply chain breakdowns and soaring food prices.

But rich corporations benefit from letting animosity brew between working-class communities; they benefit from keeping immigrant workers and US-born workers in contention with one another.

If they can continue to exploit millions of undocumented people who are desperate to survive, they will also be able to underpay their US-born workers who are demanding higher wages by simply showing that there are desperate people willing to work for less.

At the end of the day, executives have chosen to make a buck at the expense of all their workers, undocumented and otherwise……

Trump pits immigrants against other working people. But we have a common enemy | Alejandra Gomez and Greisa Martínez Rosas

Billionaires have sown a myth that citizens are losing at the expense of undocumented people. The real solution is to empower all workers

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

Interesting information:

 

[MT15]

Lol

 

[samiam5211]

The United States is a country club that accepts only the highest quality of person who can pay 5 million dollars, as the founders intended.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Jesus

This is what people voted for and fork everyone who did

I hope there is proof they informed the school and nothing was done and sue the hell out of the district

The adults who knew and did nothing, fired

If they identify the classmates who did this, expelled

And I wonder if those kids feel even the slightest bit of remorse about driving this girl to this, and what their parents are feeling and saying to their children

Sadly I wouldn’t be surprised if the kids feel nothing and neither do the parents (or worse than nothing, happy about it)
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An 11-year-old girl took her own life in Texasafter she was tormented by classmates who threatened to call Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) authorities and have her family deported from the US, her grieving parents have said.

Jocelynn Rojo Carranza passed away on February 8 after spending five days being treated in a Dallas hospital.

This came after she was taunted with deportation threats for weeks by sixth-grade classmates at Gainesville Intermediate School, around 70 miles north of Dallas, her mother Marbella Carranza told Univision.

Her death comes amid president Donald Trump’s ordering for the “largest deportation operation in American history,” prompting agents with ICE and other federal authorities to launch targeted raids on approximately 12 million undocumented immigrants nationwide.

For Jocelyn however, the climate of fear became all too grave.

Classmates allegedly harassed the young girl by telling her she would be left alone without her family once they were deported.

But the alleged abuse spiraled, and despite reportedly informing school officials on numerous occasions, no action was taken to stop it.

When asked to comment on this story, the Gainesville Independent School District did not acknowledge Carranza’s death but rather issued a statement pointing to its strict anti-bullying code…….

11-year-old took her own life over deportation threats, family says

‘I waited a whole week for a miracle that my daughter would be well, but unfortunately, nothing could be done,’ despaired her mother

www.independent.co.uk

A Texas school district has confirmed that 11-year-old Jocelynn Rojo Carranza, who devastatingly took her own life earlier this month, received a torrent of ICE-related abusefrom fellow students.

Carranza died on February 8 after spending five days being treated in a Dallas hospital due to an undisclosed injury.

Her tragic death came after she was taunted with deportation threats for weeks by sixth-grade classmates at Gainesville Intermediate School, around 70 miles north of Dallas, her grieving mother Marbella Carranza revealed earlier this month.

But now, the Gainesville Independent Schools District has concluded its investigation revealing the crucial interactions that led to her death.

The bullying investigation ended on February 12, 2025. Marbella was informed of its findings the following day – four days after her daughter’s death, the report obtained by The Independent reads.

In the report, signed by Gainseville ISD Superintendant DesMontes Stewart on Thursday, it says that the bullying first came to the attention of school officials on January 30 when the principal entered a classroom and overheard the whole class speaking about ICE.

That day, Carranza told the principal “that a student on the bus was making remarks regarding ICE and deportation to a group of Hispanic students,” according to the report.

A day later, the director of transportation confirmed the student’s remarks to the assistant principal, corroborating Carranza’s allegations.

However, the report stated that the remarks on the bus were directed at a group of Hispanic students, not Carranza. Despite not being sat with the group, she “was close enough to hear the remarks,” and the Gainseville ISD revealed this had happened on more than one occasion.

“The student [responsible for the remarks] was identified, interviewed, and disciplinary consequences were issued by campus administration on January 31, 2025, in accordance with the GISD Student Code of Conduct,” the school statement read.

After that, the investigation says that Carranza was “positive” and even attended a birthday party the following weekend, two days before she took her own life.

It was not until February 6, after the 11-year-old was hospitalized, that students told officials that they believed Carranza and her brother were both victims of other bullying incidents. That investigation was closed on February 12. The findings were shared with her mother.

During that investigation, it emerged that Carranza told someone that she had been “inappropriately touched” by a family member.

She asked the person she told not to say anything as she didn’t want anyone to get into trouble. An investigation into that allegation is still ongoing.

The district also disputes Marbella Carranza’s allegation that she didn’t know her daughter was part of a social-emotional learning group that sought to help students deal with their emotions. The report says that Marbella would have signed a permission slip to allow for her participation in the group.

Following the release of this latest report, Carranza’s mother told NBC DFW: “Nothing about that is true... I don’t know why they committed, like, why he said that, because I talk with my daughter about that, always. I ask. Nobody can touch your body, nobody.”………

School district confirms ICE-related bullying of 11-year-old who took her own life

‘It was reported, on January 30, 2025, to the principal upon entering a classroom that the whole class was speaking about ICE and that Jocelynn Rojo Carranza had something she wanted to tell the principal,’ said the Gainseville ISD

www.independent.co.uk

 

[bird]

A Texas school district has confirmed that 11-year-old Jocelynn Rojo Carranza, who devastatingly took her own life earlier this month, received a torrent of ICE-related abusefrom fellow students.

Carranza died on February 8 after spending five days being treated in a Dallas hospital due to an undisclosed injury.

Her tragic death came after she was taunted with deportation threats for weeks by sixth-grade classmates at Gainesville Intermediate School, around 70 miles north of Dallas, her grieving mother Marbella Carranza revealed earlier this month.

But now, the Gainesville Independent Schools District has concluded its investigation revealing the crucial interactions that led to her death.

The bullying investigation ended on February 12, 2025. Marbella was informed of its findings the following day – four days after her daughter’s death, the report obtained by The Independent reads.

In the report, signed by Gainseville ISD Superintendant DesMontes Stewart on Thursday, it says that the bullying first came to the attention of school officials on January 30 when the principal entered a classroom and overheard the whole class speaking about ICE.

That day, Carranza told the principal “that a student on the bus was making remarks regarding ICE and deportation to a group of Hispanic students,” according to the report.

A day later, the director of transportation confirmed the student’s remarks to the assistant principal, corroborating Carranza’s allegations.

However, the report stated that the remarks on the bus were directed at a group of Hispanic students, not Carranza. Despite not being sat with the group, she “was close enough to hear the remarks,” and the Gainseville ISD revealed this had happened on more than one occasion.

“The student [responsible for the remarks] was identified, interviewed, and disciplinary consequences were issued by campus administration on January 31, 2025, in accordance with the GISD Student Code of Conduct,” the school statement read.

After that, the investigation says that Carranza was “positive” and even attended a birthday party the following weekend, two days before she took her own life.

It was not until February 6, after the 11-year-old was hospitalized, that students told officials that they believed Carranza and her brother were both victims of other bullying incidents. That investigation was closed on February 12. The findings were shared with her mother.

During that investigation, it emerged that Carranza told someone that she had been “inappropriately touched” by a family member.

She asked the person she told not to say anything as she didn’t want anyone to get into trouble. An investigation into that allegation is still ongoing.

The district also disputes Marbella Carranza’s allegation that she didn’t know her daughter was part of a social-emotional learning group that sought to help students deal with their emotions. The report says that Marbella would have signed a permission slip to allow for her participation in the group.

Following the release of this latest report, Carranza’s mother told NBC DFW: “Nothing about that is true... I don’t know why they committed, like, why he said that, because I talk with my daughter about that, always. I ask. Nobody can touch your body, nobody.”………

School district confirms ICE-related bullying of 11-year-old who took her own life

‘It was reported, on January 30, 2025, to the principal upon entering a classroom that the whole class was speaking about ICE and that Jocelynn Rojo Carranza had something she wanted to tell the principal,’ said the Gainseville ISD

www.independent.co.uk

Ah, another example of fine people.

Disgusting.

 

[SystemShock]

Take a step back a little. Reflect on what he says. Imagine, a typical german in the 20s and 30s. These nutjobs are grabbing all the jews. That german, convinced that jews are the bad guys, just because and telling himself, "Is it ruthless? Sure. Will there be abuses? Of course, there always are ( I mean, just look at our penal system and police depts around the country)".

So now I am a nutjob 20-30 year old living in 1930's Nazi Germany, who is excusing abuse? Bravo!

Give me a forking break. I never said anyone is the "bad guy", I never said it was ok to abuse anyone, nor am I rationalizing infliction of abuse on anyone. I just stated the obvious fact that there will always be abuse in such situations, where poor people are involved.

BTW, next time, have the decency to use quote tags. I almost missed this nonsense (caught it off my eye as I was scrolling past the wall). And maybe a caricature that shows me putting bunnies in a microwave or something like that for effect?

 

[UriUT]

So now I am a nutjob 20-30 year old living in 1930's Nazi Germany, who is excusing abuse? Bravo!

Give me a forking break. I never said anyone is the "bad guy", I never said it was ok to abuse anyone, nor am I rationalizing infliction of abuse on anyone. I just stated the obvious fact that there will always be abuse in such situations, where poor people are involved.

BTW, next time, have the decency to use quote tags. I almost missed this nonsense (caught it off my eye as I was scrolling past the wall). And maybe a caricature that shows me putting bunnies in a microwave or something like that for effect?

Perhaps I was wrong. Maybe you didn't understand Chuck's, RobF, MT, and others point and just dismissively mock anyone who brings up the holocaust because it's chic. Here, you get upset and not even understand my point. And it's a trend from what I've noticed. If you don't, I'll explain again. No, I won't give you a break because you don't give it anyone else. Someone brings up the israeli government as facists, and your response is a childish, dismissive picture of gold feelings [edit, ironic isn't it that you instantly brought up the holocaust when fascism was the reference?]. They can't be because, they're jews? You dismiss OP's point. You suggested we move the palestinians elsewhere in that thread. If you don't understand, just say so instead of whimsically be dismissive to another person's opinion. I suggest you reread my point again before making the bolded claim. Certainly, I'd be embarrassed...and I've been there before in misreading someone's post.

 

[SystemShock]

Perhaps I was wrong. Maybe you didn't understand Chuck's, RobF, MT, and others point and just dismissively mock anyone who brings up the holocaust because it's chic. Here, you get upset and not even understand my point. And it's a trend from what I've noticed. If you don't, I'll explain again. No, I won't give you a break because you don't give it anyone else. Someone brings up the israeli government as facists, and your response is a childish, dismissive picture of gold feelings [edit, ironic isn't it that you instantly brought up the holocaust when fascism was the reference?]. They can't be because, they're jews? You dismiss OP's point. You suggested we move the palestinians elsewhere in that thread. If you don't understand, just say so instead of whimsically be dismissive to another person's opinion. I suggest you reread my point again before making the bolded claim. Certainly, I'd be embarrassed...and I've been there before in misreading someone's post.

bullshirt.

I didn't bring up the Holocaust... it is in the freaking OP! That is my point of contention in this entire thread, the refusal of the claim that what we are seeing in the U.S. is "80% the Holocaust".

I always try to answer a point, not to "whimsically" dismiss anyone. You confuse me with other posters here who do.

Also, taking my words and put them in the context of a 20-30 year old in Nazi Germany? Again, Bravo! In the stupidity of that framing, you forget one little thing: that 20-30 year old Nazi in 1930's Germany wanted that ruthlessness, he wanted that abuse to occur. I was just replying to another poster agreeing that there will always be abuses in that sort of situation, not that I wanted the ruthlessness and abuse to occur.

This site has turned into a more polite version of tigerdroppings.

 

[UriUT]

bullshirt.

I didn't bring up the Holocaust... it is in the freaking OP! That is my point of contention in this entire thread, the refusal of the claim that what we are seeing in the U.S. is "80% the Holocaust".

I always try to answer a point, not to "whimsically" dismiss anyone. You confuse me with other posters here who do.

Also, taking my words and put them in the context of a 20-30 year old in Nazi Germany? Again, Bravo! In the stupidity of that framing, you forget one little thing: that 20-30 year old Nazi in 1930's Germany wanted that ruthlessness, he wanted that abuse to occur. I was just replying to another poster agreeing that there will always be abuses in that sort of situation, not that I wanted the ruthlessness and abuse to occur.

This site has turned into a more polite version of tigerdroppings.

You do understand that I did not compare you to a nazi right? On the contrary, I compared you to any regular citizen or bureaucrat. The Hannah Arendt argument makes that clear? Again, perhaps understand the point that what the OP, and the rest of us are making?

Here, read this.

Questioning the banality of evil | BPS

S. Alexander Haslam and Stephen D. Reicher re-examine the established view, in an article based on the 2007 Argyle Lecture.

www.bps.org.uk

It challenges Arendt's notion that Eichmann was amoral or not associated with the Nazis. Again, I did not associate you with a nazi.

Edit:

I didn't bring up the Holocaust... it is in the freaking OP! That is my point of contention in this entire thread, the refusal of the claim that what we are seeing in the U.S. is "80% the Holocaust

You do understand also that I didn't make this point specific to this thread? Rather, it was specific to another poster calling Israel fascist. You then interrupted and brought in the holocaust? What's the difference between your action and the OP? The OP had a point to make, what was yours with that gold feeling image?

 

[Optimus Prime]

A pair of California men who posed as fake ICE agents and harassed local businesses as part of a social media stunt have been arrested, according to police.

The two men “donned wigs and black tactical vests” with letters blotted out so that they would read as “PoPo” and “ICE” before terrorizing community members with deportation probes across 11 businesses, according to the Fresno Police Department.

As the duo entered one store, they reportedly demanded employees show them documents to prove themselves, said police to the Los Angeles Times.


Police became aware of the incident after they received a barrage of calls reporting that they were being harassed.

Fresno officers then tracked down the suspects after spotting them in their fake uniforms outside a business in the city’s River Park shopping center in Fresno.

They were arrested Wednesday on suspicion of impersonating a police officer, reported The Times. Officials have not named the men as they say they were doing the stunt for social media exposure.

“As their actions were done simply to gain attention on their personal social media pages, we will not be releasing their names or other information,” the department stated……..

Fake ICE agents harassed multiple businesses in sick social media stunt, cops say

Suspects ‘donned wigs and black tactical vests’ with letters blotted out so that they would read as ‘PoPo’ and ‘ICE’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[samiam5211]

The doors were open to anyone with 5 million dollars.

The American people suck.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Virginia Democrats are pushing back on the Gov. Glenn Youngkin's latest executive order which directs some state law enforcement officers to carry out the federal immigration enforcement functions.

Executive Order 47 directs Virginia State Police and the Department of Corrections to sign an agreement to become part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) program known as 287(g). Under this program, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) trains state and local law enforcement officers to perform some immigration enforcement functions.

“As Governor, protecting our citizens is my foremost responsibility and today we are taking action that will make Virginia safer by removing dangerous criminal illegal immigrants from our Commonwealth,” said Youngkin said in a statement issued by his office.

The executive order will create a State Police Task Force of troopers who will assist in the identification and apprehension of undocumented immigrants. According to Youngkin's office, the group will focus on "criminal illegal immigrants who pose a risk to public safety throughout the Commonwealth of Virginia."

"I think it's mainly a political stunt." Senate Majority leader Scott Surovell, a Democrat, told WUSA9 Friday. Surovell says he questions the timing and effectiveness of the executive order. "The governor does not have authority to tell local police what to do, and our local law enforcement does currently cooperate with ICE."

Currently there are no local jurisdictions in Virginia enrolled in the 287(g) program.

Youngkin says his latest order is about making Virginia safer, saying in a release, "Dangerous criminal illegal immigrants should not be let back into our communities to assault, rape and murder. They should be sent back where they came from.”

Democratic U.S. Sen. Mark Warner says he thinks the 287(g) program at a state level might have the opposite effect.

"The police departments, what they need to do, is they need to have the trust of the community," Warner said, "and if you don't have the trust of the community then I think you're going to see crime go up."

Leesburg resident Julio Monroy says this type of initiatives create an environment of fear among the immigrant community.

"People in my community, you know, they won't engage law enforcement if they are victims of any crime." Monroy says he is a Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipient. The Obama administration era program provides work permits and deportation protection for undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children. "I am brown skin, you know, black hair, I look Mexican. I don't want to be in a situation where my immigration status is questioned my law enforcement."..............

'It's mainly a political stunt' | Virginia Democrats push back on Gov. Youngkin's latest immigration order

Gov. Glenn Youngkin has instructed Virginia State Police and correctional facilities to join the 287(g) program.

www.wusa9.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump’s “border czar”, Tom Homan, and far-right media personality Tucker Carlson talked about a bizarre range of extremist and racist conspiracy theories in an interview just weeks before Homan took office and was trusted with implementing a wide-ranging crackdown on migrants.

The conversation included Carlson’s claim that Mexican cartels come “from cultures that have practiced human sacrifice for thousands of years”, connected the racist “great replacement” theory to Biden’s immigration policy, and advocated the arrest of elected US leaders who opposed Donald Trump’s policies on migrants.

On immigration policy, Homan expressed a desire to get the Department of Defense to assist with “intelligence” and “targeting” domestically and took the view that Immigration and Border Enforcement (Ice) should arrest “a mayor or a governor” that “harbored” immigrants in sanctuary cities.

Meanwhile, Homan faces questions over the network of associations he built up in his non-profit work during the interval between his appointment in the first Trump administrationand his new White House role.

While the interview has been fleetingly reported previously, the details of Homan’s conspiracy theory-laden conversation with Carlson have not.

With Trump’s deportation efforts seeing Ice agents attempting to take enforcement actions in schools, colleges and workplaces around the US, Homan’s business dealings and extremist political views have come under scrutiny as the public face of the nationwide crackdown.

In the podcast interview, recorded for Carlson’s online show and published to X, YouTube and other platforms on 18 December, Homan painted Biden’s border policy as a “great replacement”-style effort to flood the country with potential Democratic voters, and both men characterized the previous administration’s immigration policy as the outcome of a conspiracy involving NGOs, religious charities and the UN.

At one point, Homan accused the Biden administration of having deliberately worked to “unsecure the border”.

Carlson asked: “What do you think the goal was?”


Homan responded: “I think they see a future political benefit. I think they think these people will be future Democratic voters.

“But we don’t even have to get there, Tucker,” added Homan, saying that Biden’s census rules allowed “all these illegal aliens to be counted in sanctuary cities, which is going to result in more seats in the house for the Dems”.……..

‘They worship death’: Trump ‘border czar’ reveals extremist views in interview

The ‘great replacement’ theory, human sacrifice and torture videos: Tom Homan’s talk with Tucker Carlson offered a grab bag of far-right talking points

www.theguardian.com

 

[UriUT]

In case I wasn't clear (well definitely so since I tend to be imprecise w my words) kristol in much fewer words made my point.

 

[MT15]

Amazing. What he is saying is that if you want to demonize Jews as evil by their very nature, disband the rule of law, take a thriving democracy into a strict dictatorship etc. that is all just fine. As long as you don’t commit genocide or start wars.

Talk about telling us who is he and what he intends to do to the US.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A German tourist is fighting to be released from an immigration detention center after she was denied entry at the San Diego border and taken into custody by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) last month.

Jessica Brösche, a 26-year-old German tattoo artist, is being indefinitely detained by US Customs and Border Protection after she tried to enter San Diego on 25 January from Tijuana, Mexico, with her American best friend, Amelia Lofving. The two were traveling with tattoo equipment.

“I just want to get home, you know? I’m really desperate,” Brösche told ABC News 10News in a phone interview from a detention facility.


Lofving, a designer, had just moved to Los Angeleswhen she met up with Brösche in Tijuana with plans to cross the border together and travel to Los Angeles, but Brösche never made it to the city.

Brösche had her German passport, confirmation of her visa waiver to enter the country, and a copy of her return ticket back to Berlin, Lofving said. But she was still pulled aside for a secondary inspection by a US Customs and Border Protection agent.

Brösche said she then spent days detained in a cell at the San Diego border before being taken into custody by Ice. The agency brought her to the Otay Mesa detention center, where she’s now been for more than a month.

According to KPBS, US Customs and Border Protection accused Brösche of planning to violate the terms of the visa waiver program by intending to work as a tattoo artist during her time in Los Angeles.

According to ABC’s 10News, she was forced to spend eight days in solitary confinement in the facility.

“She says it was like a horror movie. They were screaming in all different rooms. After nine days, she said she went so insane that she started punching the walls and then she’s got blood on her knuckles,” Lofving said of her friend’s experience……

‘Like a horror movie’: Ice detaining German tourist in California indefinitely

Jessica Brösche has spent more than a month in detention center after being denied entry at San Diego from Mexico

www.theguardian.com