Will “mass deportation” actually happen (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[SystemShock]

Oh, I get it. But I also think the comparisons to early Nazi Germany are striking and shouldn’t be ignored.

You can compare a lot of situations throughout history in many different places to early Nazi Germany... however, the OP specifically referenced the Holocaust, and what's happening right now, doesn't compare to the systematic extermination of an entire ethnicity and the efficiency and brutality it was carried out.

 

[SystemShock]

So you think missing the point and just repeating yourself will achieve something?

For more information, please reread

There you go again... so, I'll ask you yet again, maybe this time you'll have the decency to answer instead of the petty digs: do you really think we will see in Panama and Guantanamo piles of emanciated dead bodies, mass executions, gassings, crematories, piles of gold teeth/shoes/watches/glasses, human experiments ?

 

[SystemShock]

How far down the road do we have to get to start making the comparisons to Nazi Germany?

And yet again... the OP compared what's happening to the Holocaust ("80% the Holocaust"). That is my point of contention. Nothing that's happening right now even remotely resembles the Holocaust.

As I said before, you can compare Nazi Germany with a lot of situations in many places throughout history, and you can use different terms to describe amassing people in one place for one reason or another, being called a reservation, internment camp, detention camp, processing camp, and yes, even concentration camp, but you cannot compare what's happening right now with the systematic extermination of an entire ethnic group with the efficiency and brutality carried out during Holocaust.

 

[SystemShock]

You're focusing on only one aspect of the killings. In the first five years, most victims were either worked to death or executed by gunfire. The so-called "Final Solution" was developed not only because mass shootings were inefficient but also because even hardened SS officers struggled with the psychological toll of repeatedly killing people face-to-face. The gas chambers were seen as a way to make mass murder more systematic—and more detached.

I am focusing on what the Holocaust was: (broken record) the systematic extermination of an entire ethnic group with brutal and ruthless efficiency.

Yeah, mass shootings were so inefficient that the einstatzgruppen murdered 2+million people.

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[Sendai]

That group reportedly includes children. It also reportedly includes people in the process of applying for asylum.

And Trump is making Panama take them basically by threatening Panama. What could go wrong?

There could very well be deaths, even if inadvertent. We shouldn’t trust that Panama will treat these people they were forced to take humanely.

This shouldn’t be okay with anyone.

“In a statement, Panama's security ministry said of the 299 migrants deported from the U.S. in recent days, 13 had been repatriated to their countries of origin while another 175 remained in the hotel in Panama City awaiting onward journeys after agreeing to return home.”

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The migrants have been staying at the hotel under the protection of local authorities and with the financial support of the United States through the U.N.-related International Organization for Migration and the U.N. refugee agency, according to the Panamanian government.”

“He also warned that those migrants who did not wish to return to their country of origin would have to choose a third country.

In that case, he said, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be responsible for their repatriation.”

 

[brandon]

You can compare a lot of situations throughout history in many different places to early Nazi Germany... however, the OP specifically referenced the Holocaust, and what's happening right now, doesn't compare to the systematic extermination of an entire ethnicity and the efficiency and brutality it was carried out.

Yet.

 

[SystemShock]

So how do you feel about this, as one of the loudest voices on this board about the migrant crisis?

It is a shirtty situation all around... but this is what the majority of The People voted for, and I do think something has to be done to stop the battalions of people marching down to the Southern border, as well as removing from the country people who are breaking U.S. laws, and verbal warnings weren't enough.

Is it ruthless? Sure. Will there be abuses? Of course, there always are ( I mean, just look at our penal system and police depts around the country).

 

[MT15]

“In a statement, Panama's security ministry said of the 299 migrants deported from the U.S. in recent days, 13 had been repatriated to their countries of origin while another 175 remained in the hotel in Panama City awaiting onward journeys after agreeing to return home.”

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The migrants have been staying at the hotel under the protection of local authorities and with the financial support of the United States through the U.N.-related International Organization for Migration and the U.N. refugee agency, according to the Panamanian government.”

“He also warned that those migrants who did not wish to return to their country of origin would have to choose a third country.

In that case, he said, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be responsible for their repatriation.”

So, you’re ignoring the jungle camp and the presence of children? You are ignoring that reportedly some of the people sent to the camp were here following legal asylum procedures? That immigration laws are being broken by this Administration? We’re not following our own immigration laws?

And you need to stop saying you’re not defending this, you are obviously defending it.

 

[MT15]

You can compare a lot of situations throughout history in many different places to early Nazi Germany... however, the OP specifically referenced the Holocaust, and what's happening right now, doesn't compare to the systematic extermination of an entire ethnicity and the efficiency and brutality it was carried out.

To be fair, he didn’t say it WAS the Holocaust, but referenced it as partially there.

The abandonment of our own immigration law should be concerning to anyone, IMO.

 

[MT15]

So, just now reading that they have cleared out all the Venezuelans detained at Gitmo, sending them back to Venezuela. Well, except for one, who was returned to the US. The article inexplicably doesn’t say why that one was returned - one can only assume they grabbed a legal resident of the US and sent them to a Cuban prison.

They were being sued by advocacy groups because putting them there denied them their rights to counsel and other rights under US law.

They numbered 178, including the one returned to the US. Trump has previously said he was prepared to put 30,000 people in that prison. Why the sudden change? The Admin claimed they were gang members, but offered no proof. At least one man was known by name, and had no criminal history in either Venezuela or the US, and he had complied with asylum laws, but was grabbed anyway.

Trump Administration Abruptly Clears Out Migrants It Sent to Guantánamo

A transfer operation on Thursday repatriated 177 Venezuelans via a handoff in Honduras, while one migrant was brought back to U.S. soil.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Lapaz]

I think another side effect may well that the number of people attempting to enter the country without documents is reportedly way down. We aren’t flying them in any longer nor are there as many encounters along the border.

All done I might add without Congressional action. Immigration still needs reform but that is not longer an excuse to allow millions of undocumented migrants into the country.

It’s bunk. Encounters were way down in 2024. Desperate people will keep trying. Without legal asylum means, they’ll find illegal means to enter. Most of those people won’t be “encountered”.

 

[RobF]

There you go again... so, I'll ask you yet again, maybe this time you'll have the decency to answer instead of the petty digs: do you really think we will see in Panama and Guantanamo piles of emanciated dead bodies, mass executions, gassings, crematories, piles of gold teeth/shoes/watches/glasses, human experiments ?

Come on, don't do that. Don't do the (willfully?) missing the point and mindlessly repeating yourself thing.

Because then I have to explain in painfully simple terms that I'm not actually a time traveller from the future or a prophet so I don't know what genocide does or does not lie in the future, and that you, obviously, don't either, and that the point being made is that genocide akin to the Holocaust is more likely when people ignore the things like dehumanising rhetoric, identification of undesirables as threats, labelling them as "poisoning the blood the nation," rounding them up, etc., that led to it on the grounds that "it couldn't happen here."

And then it just looks like I'm calling you stupid. So, please, don't do that.

 

[Sendai]

So, you’re ignoring the jungle camp and the presence of children? You are ignoring that reportedly some of the people sent to the camp were here following legal asylum procedures? That immigration laws are being broken by this Administration? We’re not following our own immigration laws?

And you need to stop saying you’re not defending this, you are obviously defending it.

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According to the government, this group will be transferred to a camp in the province of Darién, which has temporarily housed migrants crossing the jungle en route to the US.”

“He also warned that those migrants who did not wish to return to their country of origin would have to choose a third country.

In that case, he said, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be responsible for their repatriation.”

'Help us': Hundreds deported from US held in Panama hotel​

Indians, Afghans and Sri Lankans are among the undocumented migrants unable to leave the hotel after being deported.

www.bbc.com

“Panama’s deputy foreign minister, Carlos Ruiz-Hernández, confirmed that 97 people had been transferred to the camp. “They are not detainees,’’ he said. “It’s a migrant camp where they will be taken care off — not a detention camp.”

Mr. Ruiz-Hernández said the camp was the best option available to the government for housing migrants and noted that the migrants had food, water and access to medical and psychological care. He said there were no cages.”

I’ve yet to see any indication they followed proper procedures to file asylum requests.

The UN organization will oversee where they end up. Those who can’t return to their home countries will be given a third party option by the UN group. Children belong with their parents.

I don’t like it.

 

[superchuck500]

New "deportation hub" holding up to 10,000 being developed at Ft. Bliss in Texas.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

New "deportation hub" holding up to 10,000 being developed at Ft. Bliss in Texas.

"Deportation hub" seems like something that would come from a Frank Luntz type focus group.

 

[Dragon]

"Deportation hub" seems like something that would come from a Frank Luntz type focus group.

And it will inevitably turn into a detention camp when countries refuse to take back their citizens or when citizenship cannot be verified. There will also be a significant number of errors, especially with red states placing bounties on undocumented immigrants. The risk of legal immigrants—or even U.S. citizens—getting caught in that dragnet will be enormous.

 

[MT15]

It’s a migrant camp where they will be taken care off — not a detention camp.”

This is complete gaslighting. They were transported there against their will, and only allowed to leave under certain circumstances-some of which could put them in danger.

They are definitely detainees. To say they are not is dishonest. Extremely so.

 

[MT15]

I’ve yet to see any indication they followed proper procedures to file asylum requests.

They were all Venezuelans in that group of 177, and Venezuelans were granted temporary protected status in 2021. We have one relative who says her brother came here from Venezuela and had applied for asylum. Her brother had come here and immediately surrendered to Border Patrol and had made his appointment with Immigration. She also said he had never been in trouble with the law. And he ended up at Gitmo because of a sports-related tattoo.

Why do you think none of them had applied for asylum, when that was readily available to them? How do you think they were found so easily? As is the case for a lot of the people Trump is deporting, these are the folks who are easy to find, because they are following the rules. They keep up with their appointments and they register their addresses.

The Admin whisking them out of the country so abruptly means they were not afforded any of the rights they are due by US immigration law. No legal representation, not even the ability to contact family.