Will “mass deportation” actually happen (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[DaveXA]

America, the beautiful.

If by beautiful, you mean wretched...

 

[superchuck500]

Based on the agreement with Panama, it appears that the US has established a second off-shore concentration camp for detained migrants.

Migrants Deported to Panama by Trump Administration Taken to Jungle Camp

The group of unauthorized migrants, which includes children, were bused to the camp late Tuesday night. “It looks like a zoo, there are fenced cages,” said one of the detainees.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MT15]

Where’s @Poppy, who said it’s ridiculous to compare this to Nazi Germany? They are sending these people to concentration camps in another country and lying that they are only sending violent criminals.

They’re not sending Europeans who overstay their visas, are they? No, only brown-skinned immigrants.

And then the WH did this, only a monster would do this.

 

[SystemShock]

Where’s @Poppy, who said it’s ridiculous to compare this to Nazi Germany? They are sending these people to concentration camps in another country and lying that they are only sending violent criminals.

They’re not sending Europeans who overstay their visas, are they? No, only brown-skinned immigrants.

And then the WH did this, only a monster would do this.

Well, in the U.S., it was done to Native Americans, Japanese descendants during WWII, Marielitas; refugees around the world are fenced in camps, living in tents without plumbing or electricity... of course those are known as reservations, interment camps, processing camps, refugee camps... they could be called konzentrationslager too, but they are not, because that's a label that carries a certain connotation.

The picture in of that Iranian woman, says they are in a hotel... they are behind a glass, and some wearing long sleeves, so I assume there is air conditioning in that hotel?

This is how the Marielitas were concentrated housed:

The fences around the Japanese internment camps (look familiar?):

This is the largest refugee camp in the world, Kutupalong refugee camp in Bangladesh.

Heck, mother Theresa ran a concentration camp too, but she prayed to Jesus while people were dying without medical care, so it was called "hospice"and it was all good.

As for not targeting Europeans who overstay visas, that may be or may not be true (the reality is anywhere you go, even here in MX, overstayed visa is akin to white collar crime), but Europeans do get deported, and they are not marching by the 1000's to the Southern border.

 

[brandon]

Well, in the U.S., it was done to Native Americans, Japanese descendants during WWII, Marielitas; refugees around the world are fenced in camps, living in tents without plumbing or electricity... of course those are known as reservations, interment camps, processing camps, refugee camps... they could be called konzentrationslager too, but they are not, because that's a label that carries a certain connotation.

The picture in of that Iranian woman, says they are in a hotel... they are behind a glass, and some wearing long sleeves, so I assume there is air conditioning in that hotel?

This is how the Marielitas were concentrated housed:

The fences around the Japanese internment camps (look familiar?):

This is the largest refugee camp in the world, Kutupalong refugee camp in Bangladesh.

Heck, mother Theresa ran a concentration camp too, but she prayed to Jesus while people were dying without medical care, so it was called "hospice"and it was all good.

As for not targeting Europeans who overstay visas, that may be or may not be true (the reality is anywhere you go, even here in MX, overstayed visa is akin to white collar crime), but Europeans do get deported, and they are not marching by the 1000's to the Southern border.

So how do you feel about this, as one of the loudest voices on this board about the migrant crisis?

 

[superchuck500]

Well, in the U.S., it was done to Native Americans, Japanese descendants during WWII, Marielitas; refugees around the world are fenced in camps, living in tents without plumbing or electricity... of course those are known as reservations, interment camps, processing camps, refugee camps... they could be called konzentrationslager too, but they are not, because that's a label that carries a certain connotation.

The picture in of that Iranian woman, says they are in a hotel... they are behind a glass, and some wearing long sleeves, so I assume there is air conditioning in that hotel?

This is how the Marielitas were concentrated housed:

The fences around the Japanese internment camps (look familiar?):

This is the largest refugee camp in the world, Kutupalong refugee camp in Bangladesh.

Heck, mother Theresa ran a concentration camp too, but she prayed to Jesus while people were dying without medical care, so it was called "hospice"and it was all good.

As for not targeting Europeans who overstay visas, that may be or may not be true (the reality is anywhere you go, even here in MX, overstayed visa is akin to white collar crime), but Europeans do get deported, and they are not marching by the 1000's to the Southern border.

The hotel in Panama was the stop-over. They're headed to a "jungle camp". This is the description of the location that she was talking about. Not the hotel.

Migrants Deported to Panama by Trump Administration Taken to Jungle Camp

The group of unauthorized migrants, which includes children, were bused to the camp late Tuesday night. “It looks like a zoo, there are fenced cages,” said one of the detainees.

www.nytimes.com

 

[CajuninVA]

I’ve been wondering about the individual ICE agents doing this. Are they enthusiastically embracing this? Do they get an rise out of it. Are they “just following orders?” I wonder what is the mindset of someone who wants to become an ICE agent?

 

[DaveXA]

The hotel in Panama was the stop-over. They're headed to a "jungle camp". This is the description of the location that she was talking about. Not the hotel.

Migrants Deported to Panama by Trump Administration Taken to Jungle Camp

The group of unauthorized migrants, which includes children, were bused to the camp late Tuesday night. “It looks like a zoo, there are fenced cages,” said one of the detainees.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah, that picture doesn't really say much about what they're dealing with.

 

[DaveXA]

I’ve been wondering about the individual ICE agents doing this. Are they enthusiastically embracing this? Do they get an rise out of it. Are they “just following orders?” I wonder what is the mindset of someone who wants to become an ICE agent?

Following orders or lose their jobs is pretty much the predicament they're in, unfortunately. Some might get a rise out of it and others might be ambivalent. I suspect most wish they didn't have to do what they're doing, but it's part of their job.

 

[MT15]

Following orders or lose their jobs is pretty much the predicament they're in, unfortunately. Some might get a rise out of it and others might be ambivalent. I suspect most wish they didn't have to do what they're doing, but it's part of their job.

Yep, they’re being “good Germans”. That may seem harsh, but it is what it is.

What will they do with these people they are putting in the jungle?

Well, in the U.S., it was done to Native Americans, Japanese descendants during WWII, Marielitas; refugees around the world are fenced in camps, living in tents without plumbing or electricity... of course those are known as reservations, interment camps, processing camps, refugee camps... they could be called konzentrationslager too, but they are not, because that's a label that carries a certain connotation.

The picture in of that Iranian woman, says they are in a hotel... they are behind a glass, and some wearing long sleeves, so I assume there is air conditioning in that hotel?

This is how the Marielitas were concentrated housed:

The fences around the Japanese internment camps (look familiar?):

This is the largest refugee camp in the world, Kutupalong refugee camp in Bangladesh.

Heck, mother Theresa ran a concentration camp too, but she prayed to Jesus while people were dying without medical care, so it was called "hospice"and it was all good.

As for not targeting Europeans who overstay visas, that may be or may not be true (the reality is anywhere you go, even here in MX, overstayed visa is akin to white collar crime), but Europeans do get deported, and they are not marching by the 1000's to the Southern border.

So, in your eyes atrocities from the past justify atrocities now? Or atrocities anywhere else excuse atrocities done by the US? I know you don’t believe that, so I’m not sure what your point was.

 

[SystemShock]

So, in your eyes atrocities from the past justify atrocities now? Or atrocities anywhere else excuse atrocities done by the US? I know you don’t believe that, so I’m not sure what your point was.

I am not excusing anything, but I do have an issue with the Nazi comparison. When I see piles of emaciated dead bodies, gold teeth, shoes, mothers asked to hold babies to their chest so the executioner uses only one bullet to kill them both... then I'll be the first to make the comparison to Nazis.

 

[RobF]

I am not excusing anything, but I do have an issue with the Nazi comparison. When I see piles of emaciated dead bodies, gold teeth, shoes, mothers asked to hold babies to their chest so the executioner uses only one bullet to kill them both... then I'll be the first to make the comparison to Nazis.

The idea of learning from history here is that you recognise the path and sound the alarm before it reaches the "final solution starts here" sign.

 

[Dragon]

I am not excusing anything, but I do have an issue with the Nazi comparison. When I see piles of emaciated dead bodies, gold teeth, shoes, mothers asked to hold babies to their chest so the executioner uses only one bullet to kill them both... then I'll be the first to make the comparison to Nazis.

We're only one month into the second Trump presidency. He is actually moving FASTER than Hitler when he came into power in 1933 - believe it or not.

 

[Sendai]

“However, of the 299 undocumented migrants - from India, China, Uzbekistan, Iran, Vietnam, Turkey, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka - only 171 have agreed to return to their countries of origin.

The remainder now face an uncertain future, and it is the Panamanian authorities who are in control of what happens next.

According to the government, this group will be transferred to a camp in the province of Darién, which has temporarily housed migrants crossing the jungle en route to the US.”

“He also warned that those migrants who did not wish to return to their country of origin would have to choose a third country.

In that case, he said, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be responsible for their repatriation.”

'Help us': Hundreds deported from US held in Panama hotel

Indians, Afghans and Sri Lankans are among the undocumented migrants unable to leave the hotel after being deported.

www.bbc.com

“Panama’s deputy foreign minister, Carlos Ruiz-Hernández, confirmed that 97 people had been transferred to the camp. “They are not detainees,’’ he said. “It’s a migrant camp where they will be taken care off — not a detention camp.”

Mr. Ruiz-Hernández said the camp was the best option available to the government for housing migrants and noted that the migrants had food, water and access to medical and psychological care. He said there were no cages.”

“The agreement is part of a larger strategy by the Trump administration to export some of its most difficult migration challenges to other nations. The United States, for varying reasons, cannot easily deport people to countries like Afghanistan, Iran and China, but by applying intense pressure it has managed to convince Panama to take some of them.

Last week, Mr. Ruiz-Hernández, the deputy foreign minister, said Panama was complying with a direct request from the Trump administration to accept the migrants.

Analysts say Panama is also under intense pressure from Mr. Trump, who has threatened to seize the Panama Canal over what he believes is Chinese influence in the waterway, a claim that Panama’s president has repeatedly refuted.

After being sent to Panama, the deported migrants are no longer subject to United States law.

Costa Rica is also taking some deportees, including migrants originally from Central Asia and India, and has said it plans to repatriate them. A flight from the United States was expected to arrive in Costa Rica on Thursday.”

Migrants Deported to Panama by Trump Administration Taken to Jungle Camp

The group of unauthorized migrants, which includes children, were bused to the camp late Tuesday night. “It looks like a zoo, there are fenced cages,” said one of the detainees.

www.nytimes.com

It’s complicated.

 

[DaveXA]

“However, of the 299 undocumented migrants - from India, China, Uzbekistan, Iran, Vietnam, Turkey, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka - only 171 have agreed to return to their countries of origin.

The remainder now face an uncertain future, and it is the Panamanian authorities who are in control of what happens next.

According to the government, this group will be transferred to a camp in the province of Darién, which has temporarily housed migrants crossing the jungle en route to the US.”

“He also warned that those migrants who did not wish to return to their country of origin would have to choose a third country.

In that case, he said, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be responsible for their repatriation.”

'Help us': Hundreds deported from US held in Panama hotel

Indians, Afghans and Sri Lankans are among the undocumented migrants unable to leave the hotel after being deported.

www.bbc.com

“Panama’s deputy foreign minister, Carlos Ruiz-Hernández, confirmed that 97 people had been transferred to the camp. “They are not detainees,’’ he said. “It’s a migrant camp where they will be taken care off — not a detention camp.”

Mr. Ruiz-Hernández said the camp was the best option available to the government for housing migrants and noted that the migrants had food, water and access to medical and psychological care. He said there were no cages.”

“The agreement is part of a larger strategy by the Trump administration to export some of its most difficult migration challenges to other nations. The United States, for varying reasons, cannot easily deport people to countries like Afghanistan, Iran and China, but by applying intense pressure it has managed to convince Panama to take some of them.

Last week, Mr. Ruiz-Hernández, the deputy foreign minister, said Panama was complying with a direct request from the Trump administration to accept the migrants.

Analysts say Panama is also under intense pressure from Mr. Trump, who has threatened to seize the Panama Canal over what he believes is Chinese influence in the waterway, a claim that Panama’s president has repeatedly refuted.

After being sent to Panama, the deported migrants are no longer subject to United States law.

Costa Rica is also taking some deportees, including migrants originally from Central Asia and India, and has said it plans to repatriate them. A flight from the United States was expected to arrive in Costa Rica on Thursday.”

Migrants Deported to Panama by Trump Administration Taken to Jungle Camp

The group of unauthorized migrants, which includes children, were bused to the camp late Tuesday night. “It looks like a zoo, there are fenced cages,” said one of the detainees.

www.nytimes.com

It’s complicated.

Making excuses I see. Why am I not surprised?

 

[Sendai]

Making excuses I see. Why am I not surprised?

Providing details.

 

[J-DONK]

I am not excusing anything, but I do have an issue with the Nazi comparison. When I see piles of emaciated dead bodies, gold teeth, shoes, mothers asked to hold babies to their chest so the executioner uses only one bullet to kill them both... then I'll be the first to make the comparison to Nazis.

This is kind of funny when you think about Gitmo. We already got caught torturing people at that camp.

Systemshock - "Yeah, but this is a different group of brown people. I need to see it again."

 

[Dragon]

This is kind of funny when you think about Gitmo. We already got caught torturing people at that camp.

Systemshock - "Yeah, but this is a different group of brown people. I need to see it again."

The story does not mention if those who are deported to Panama had active asylum claims in the US.. If they did then according to the law AFAIK it is not legal to deport them before their claims has been processed.