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    superchuck500

    superchuck500

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    It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

    Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

    Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

     
    wardorican said:
    The thing is.. it worked.
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    Did it though? Seems to me that there was some sort of compromise at play. State media is just repeating trumps claim that he has won and we all know that his word is shirt!

    I have seen reporting that a deal was reached after Colombia threaten retaliatory economic actions which lead to talks that would allow a dignified return of these immigrants. It is said that they are even sending their own presidential aircraft to pick these guys up instead of being transported out on our military cargo planes.
     
    DJ1BigTymer said:
    Did it though? Seems to me that there was some sort of compromise at play. State media is just repeating trumps claim that he has won and we all know that his word is shirt!

    I have seen reporting that a deal was reached after Colombia threaten retaliatory economic actions which lead to talks that would allow a dignified return of these immigrants. It is said that they are even sending their own presidential aircraft to pick these guys up instead of being transported out on our military cargo planes.
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    Yeah, but they're out (or soon to be). It forced an action quickly.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    This dude again
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    OKLAHOMA CITY — Oklahoma’s top education official said he would support immigration enforcement raids in schools to assist with the White House’s promise of mass deportations.

    This week, President Donald Trump threw out a federal policy that had been in place since 2011 that discouraged U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement from making arrests in “protected areas” like schools, medical centers and places of worship.

    Oklahoma schools Superintendent Ryan Walters said in a TV interview posted Friday that he would help the Trump administration in “any way they see fit” to carry out immigration enforcement, including ICE raids in schools.

    “For years the liberal media has been vilifying Republicans for separating illegal immigrant children from their parents,” Walters said in a news release Friday afternoon. “Now they want us to explain why we’d let ICE agents into schools. The answer is simple: we want to ensure that deported parents are reconnected with their children and keep families together.”..............

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    OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Parents enrolling children in Oklahoma public schools would be required to provide proof of their child's U.S. citizenship or legal immigration status under a proposal aimed at helping President Donald Trump's immigration policies.

    The proposed rules, which Oklahoma's education board will vote on Tuesday, are in the early stages and would still need approval from lawmakers and the governor to take effect. The proposal from Republican State Superintendent Ryan Walters, the state’s education chief, would not prohibit students without legal status from attending schools but would require districts to keep a tally.

    A U.S. Supreme Court ruling in 1982 affirmed the right of children living in the country illegally to attend public schools, although some conservative lawmakers have questioned whether immigrants without legal residency should have the right to a public education.

    Walters has said he will support efforts by Trump to enforce immigration laws, including by allowing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents into Oklahoma schools.

    “Schools are crippled by the flood of illegal immigrants and the Biden/Harris open border policy,” Walters said in a statement. “Oklahomans and the country elected President Trump and we will do everything possible to help put Oklahoma students first.”

    Walters has spent much of his first term in office attacking what he describes as “woke” ideology in public schools, requiring Bible instruction in classrooms and attempting to ban books from school libraries.

    The plan has been sharply criticized by teachers and civil liberty groups, and is causing fear within Oklahoma's immigrant communities, said Rep. Arturo Alonso-Sandoval, a Democrat who represents Oklahoma City's heavily Hispanic south side.

    “The community is scared, obviously,” Alonso-Sandoval said. “The conversations I've had with parents, all they're doing is trying to provide the best opportunity for their kids, like any parents. They are starting to question: Do I unenroll my child from school?”

    At Oklahoma City Public Schools, one of the state's largest districts with a student population that is 57% Hispanic, Superintendent Jamie Polk said in a letter to parents and staff last month — after the rule was first proposed — that federal law guarantees every child's right to a public education, regardless of immigration status.

    “OKCPS does not, nor do we have plans to, collect the immigration status of our students or their families,” she said...............

    apnews.com

    Oklahoma proposal would require parents to provide immigration status when enrolling students

    Oklahoma's Board of Education is considering a rule that would require parents enrolling children in public schools to provide proof of their child's U.S. citizenship or legal immigration status.
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    CNN) — The Trump administration’s immigration sweeps that included more than 2,000 arrests in two days and have chilled many immigrant communities were followed by another blitz: A barrage of video and photos from the federal government showing agents in tactical gear and vests emblazoned with “Police ICE” and “Homeland Security” taking cuffed suspects away.

    The made-for-TV look of the arrests is not a coincidence.

    At least two agencies assisting US immigration officials with the sweeps ordered by the fledgling Republican White House have told personnel to ensure their clothing clearly depicts their respective agency in case they are filmed by journalists, sources familiar with the operations tell CNN.

    While it is a common safety practice for agents conducting arrests to wear insignias clearly identifying themselves as law enforcement, even agents on the perimeter of operations conducted across the nation have been specifically instructed by their leadership to wear raid jackets in view of media attention, sources said……..

    www.cnn.com

    Federal agents in immigration operations told to be camera-ready as hundreds arrested | CNN Politics

    The Trump administration’s weekend immigration sweeps that included nearly 1,000 arrests and have chilled many immigrant communities were followed by another blitz: A barrage of video and photos from the federal government showing agents in tactical gear and vests emblazoned with “Police ICE”...
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    Could have gone in a number of threads
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    Far-right provocateur Michael Knowlesdefended Donald Trump’s mass deportations on Tuesday by telling his audience that the president was merely getting rid of violent criminals, all while arguing that “we need prejudice” because “stereotypes are all true.”

    Communities across the United States have been gripped in fear for weeks as they braced for raids from Immigration and Customs Enforcement amid Trump’s promises to clear out “illegal criminal migrants” and send them out of the country. In cities like Chicago and New York, thousands of immigrants have already been swept up in these “made-for-TV”raids, handcuffed, loaded into military planes, and flown to other countries.

    Local leaders and immigration advocacy organizations have criticized the large-scale immigration arrests for causing “fear and anxiety” while also impacting legal American citizens, who have also been detained by ICE agents.

    Meanwhile, Republicans and Trump’s allies in MAGA media have cheered on the deportations, mocked those upset over the arrests, and called for politicians who have pushed back on the administration’s actions to be targeted and even arrested…….

    He would go on and assert that while prejudice “can be a bad thing” if it is “unjust,” it is also a “basic conservative insight” and necessary, likening it to a choice in breakfast cereal.

    “We need prejudice. You use prejudice all day long,” Knowles said. “You don’t rationally consider and write fifty-page-long treatises on every decision you make. You just kinda do it. Why do you reach for the Cheerios instead of the Raisin Bran? I don’t know. You just kinda like Cheerios more. It’s just a prejudice.”…….





    www.independent.co.uk

    MAGA podcaster says ‘we need prejudice’ because ‘stereotypes are all true’

    ‘Stereotypes are stereotypes because they are generally true,” Daily Wire host Michael Knowles said on Tuesday while defending Trump’s deportation raids.
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    Will we be seeing more of this?
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    A North Carolina man has been charged with multiple sex crimes for allegedly breaking into a Raleigh-area motel on Sunday while posing as a federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent (ICE) and threatening a woman inside with deportation if she didn’t engage in sexual acts with him.

    During the alleged break-in, Carl Thomas Bennett, Jr., 37, used a phony business card with a badge and "threatened to deport the victim if she did not have sex with him," according to arrest documents.

    Bennett has been hit with nine charges, according to court records, including breaking and entering, posession of cocaine, kidnapping, rape, and impersonating law enforcement.….

    "This is kind of a perfect storm what’s happening right now and it’s opening up opportunities for people who are not doing any kind of law enforcement to take advantage of people in terrible ways," Baena said.

    "People wouldn’t be surprised that an ICE agent acted in an inappropriate way because they often do act in inappropriate ways to get information out of people," she added.

    The North Carolina allegations come after a Missouri man was charged last week with burglary, harassment, assault, and impersonating law enforcement for allegedly busting through someone’s door, demanding to see their immigration paperwork, and threatening to pull out a gun.……..

    www.independent.co.uk

    Man impersonates ICE agent and threatens deportation to coerce woman into sex: police

    Immigrant advocate said alleged attack showed ‘perfect storm’ of how national immigration policy is prompting local abuse
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
     
    superchuck500 said:
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    Being a migrant is not a crime, but entering a country without a proper permit is an unlawful activity, i.e., a crime.

    And it's not like Colombia doesn't kick people out of Colombia for being there illegally.

    Not a very good look blocking planes with Colombians in it either.
     
    SystemShock said:
    Being a migrant is not a crime, but entering a country without a proper permit is an unlawful activity, i.e., a crime.

    And it's not like Colombia doesn't kick people out of Colombia for being there illegally.

    Not a very good look blocking planes with Colombians in it either.
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    That's actually not accurate as a matter of legal terminology - "unlawful" activity means that that the activity is contrary to law. Being a crime means that the activity is prohibited by criminal law. It's not the same thing. All criminal activity is unlawful, but not all unlawful activity is criminal. Note however that calling it "illegal" is synonymous with "unlawful" and so not the same as criminal.

    There are various examples of this from torts (e.g. defamation is the publication of false information about a person that results in damage to their reputation and most states have statutes making it unlawful with penalty in the form of a civil lawsuit) to civil remedial schemes that cover workplace safety, business records, etc. Those things are unlawful because they are contrary to law - but they aren't crimes because they aren't defined as crimes in the relevant law or elsewhere in the criminal code.

    Where it gets tricky though, is there activity is defined as a crime but the penalty is entirely civil. Did a person who parked illegally and got a civil fine commit a crime? It depends on how the specific parking violation is worded or where it is placed in the statutory scheme.

    "Unauthorized entry into the United States" is a crime because it is in the 18 USC (federal criminal code) but the penalty is a civil fine. I think you can say it's a crime even if it is only a civil penalty - but only if it meets the definitions under the 18 USC statute.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    This might be of interest to some people because it directly addresses the title of this thread...
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    It's interesting that both the "border czar" and the press secretary would say "it's a great start but we're not done" when they've literally been working for about a week. It's also a blatant lie - which is of course ordinary course of business for this administration - that the Biden administration allowed "Tens of millions of illegals into the interior of the country".

    But nonetheless, the question remains whether this is truly mass deportation - on a scale that is materially larger than the typical deportation volumes over the past 15 years, and whether the Trump administration is going to commit to genuinely mass deportation in a way that requires significant expansion of the deportation apparatus.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    It's interesting that both the "border czar" and the press secretary would say "it's a great start but we're not done" when they've literally been working for about a week. It's also a blatant lie - which is of course ordinary course of business for this administration - that the Biden administration allowed "Tens of millions of illegals into the interior of the country".

    But nonetheless, the question remains whether this is truly mass deportation - on a scale that is materially larger than the typical deportation volumes over the past 15 years, and whether the Trump administration is going to commit to genuinely mass deportation in a way that requires significant expansion of the deportation apparatus.
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    When I watched ABC National News with David M., the administrative spokesperson said ICE will hit up 3 major cities week after week.
     

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