What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Saintamaniac]

Dating is now more conservative.

Dating is not more conservative now. Most dating is done via apps if you weren't aware. There is nothing conservative about dating using an app.

Some female athletes in the olympics decided to wear conservative clothing to show less skin

They actually decided to wear all in ones to stop from being objectified. If they were not being objectified, they would still be wearing the same outfits they have been wearing for decades. They should make men wear the same outfits that the women have been forced to wear. I wonder how that would go over.

flirting is not tolerated anymore. It looks like a return to the Victorian era.

This is simply false. One could interpret your comments as a form of, dare I say, presentism.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Dating is not more conservative now. Most dating is done via apps if you weren't aware. There is nothing conservative about dating using an app.

There's also far more first date and casual sex, and we won't even get to the people wearing pineapples. The entire premise is a full rotation of the Earth past ludicrous.

 

[Goatman saint]

Dating is not more conservative now. Most dating is done via apps if you weren't aware. There is nothing conservative about dating using an app.

They actually decided to wear all in ones to stop from being objectified. If they were not being objectified, they would still be wearing the same outfits they have been wearing for decades. They should make men wear the same outfits that the women have been forced to wear. I wonder how that would go over.

This is simply false. One could interpret your comments as a form of, dare I say, presentism.

It’s just cuz it’s not correct to catcall, grope, stare at people, be a creep so on anymore.

 

[Paul]

Dating is not more conservative now. Most dating is done via apps if you weren't aware. There is nothing conservative about dating using an app.

Dating with an app with for losers. It makes zero sense when there are so many women everywhere.

They actually decided to wear all in ones to stop from being objectified. If they were not being objectified, they would still be wearing the same outfits they have been wearing for decades. They should make men wear the same outfits that the women have been forced to wear. I wonder how that would go over.

That would be a return to the Victorian era.

This is simply false. One could interpret your comments as a form of, dare I say, presentism.

Flirting is much more guarded these days and that would be a return to the Victorian era.

 

[Paul]

It’s just cuz it’s not correct to catcall, grope, stare at people, be a creep so on anymore.

Nice straw man!

 

[coldseat]

Dating with an app with for losers. It makes zero sense when there are so many women everywhere.

That would be a return to the Victorian era.

Flirting is much more guarded these days and that would be a return to the Victorian era.

You're obsession with the Victorian era is, idk, odd/quirky. I mean, I guess you're just staying with your original point or theme, but I've never seen the Victorian era referenced so much in a thread before. Lol.

I'm not sure why I find that so amusing.

 

[Paul]

There's also far more first date and casual sex, and we won't even get to the people wearing pineapples. The entire premise is a full rotation of the Earth past ludicrous.

The Victorian era had women like that too. It happens in every generation.

You're obsession with the Victorian era is, idk, odd/quirky. I mean, I guess you're just staying with your original point or theme, but I've never seen the Victorian era referenced so much in a thread before. Lol.

I'm not sure why I find that so amusing.

It is the only period that fits with the new trend seen in the modern feminist woman. They get offended if men stare at them, cover skin, and do not enjoy flirting.

 

[brandon]

The Victorian era had women like that too. It happens in every generation.

It is the only period that fits with the new trend seen in the modern feminist woman. They get offended if men stare at them, cover skin, and do not enjoy flirting.

You’re still missing the important difference between now and the Victorian era.

Back then, conservative clothing was forced upon women by a jealous patriarchy. Now, it’s women choosing for themselves the what they want to wear.

Also, context matters. Women who are at a bar may be looking for male interaction/attention and may dress accordingly (or not). Women at the beach may also be looking for male attention and may dress accordingly (or not). Women playing sports are trying to win sports, not draw male attention. So they choose to dress accordingly.

It’s the women’s choice. It wasn’t in Victorian times.

 

[CoolBrees]

You must be one ugly dude.

I am happily married to a raging feminist, social worker who was on the front lines of the Wall of Moms at the BLM protests here in Portland last summer.

and here is a newsflash- women can dress any way they want. Provocative, conservative, whatever. They finally feel strong enough to push back on what white men told them they needed to wear. What was sexy. What made them accepted. I mean, what sick butt crevasse came up with pumps?

 

[Saintamaniac]

I will say this for you @Paul. No matter how many times you are shown to be wrong, you either ignore it or you push forward. It's not an admirable trait and doesn't help to win the point, but you do it any way. Points for being consistent. Of course it would be immensely better if the consistency wasn't flat out wrong.

 

[Paul]

I will say this for you @Paul. No matter how many times you are shown to be wrong, you either ignore it or you push forward. It's not an admirable trait and doesn't help to win the point, but you do it any way. Points for being consistent. Of course it would be immensely better if the consistency wasn't flat out wrong.

Do you have an argument?

 

[MT15]

Paul, could you tell us your definition of a feminist? You apparently have a lot of strong opinions about them that seem to fly in the face of several other posters’ personal experiences.

What is a typical feminist like, to you?

 

[Paul]

Paul, could you tell us your definition of a feminist? You apparently have a lot of strong opinions about them that seem to fly in the face of several other posters’ personal experiences.

What is a typical feminist like, to you?

I love strong neutral open minded women that do not hate men.
Feminists were like that way in the old days. Now, they are heavily aligned with the hard left. That is the definition of a feminist these days. A strong woman that is into lefty politics. A centrist feminist would not be accepted today. My favorite feminist is Camille Paglia, but she is quite old.

 

[Goatman saint]

I love strong neutral open minded women that do not hate men.
Feminists were like that way in the old days. Now, they are heavily aligned with the hard left. That is the definition of a feminist these days. A strong woman that is into lefty politics. A centrist feminist would not be accepted today. My favorite feminist is Camille Paglia, but she is quite old.

Heavily aligned with the far left? Ok this statement alone tells me all I need to know. I do know your feminist hero is on record of stating rape is only about sex (not power and dominance) and the fact she is a supporter of NAMBLA and has been consistently on point of lowering the age of consent, some forms of child pornography and pedophilia. So, to throw around the leftist label while holding up a believer in those things completely erases any credibility you have

 

[Saintamaniac]

My favorite feminist is Camille Paglia, but she is quite old.

your feminist hero is on record of stating rape is only about sex (not power and dominance) and the fact she is a supporter of NAMBLA and has been consistently on point of lowering the age of consent, some forms of child pornography and pedophilia.

Why am I not surprised his favorite feminist supports NAMBLA and pedophillia.

 

[Paul]

Heavily aligned with the far left? Ok this statement alone tells me all I need to know. I do know your feminist hero is on record of stating rape is only about sex (not power and dominance) and the fact she is a supporter of NAMBLA and has been consistently on point of lowering the age of consent, some forms of child pornography and pedophilia. So, to throw around the leftist label while holding up a believer in those things completely erases any credibility you have

Had no idea. She looks like a strong normal woman when I see her videos. If you are correct then I am disappointed. I mentioned her because she seemed like a feminist that did not have an ax to grind. I will look into that.

Why am I not surprised his favorite feminist supports NAMBLA and pedophillia.

Insulting remarks are not allowed in this forum.

 

[bdb13]

Why am I not surprised his favorite feminist supports NAMBLA and pedophillia.

Had no idea. She looks like a strong normal woman when I see her videos. If you are correct then I am disappointed. I mentioned her because she seemed like a feminist that did not have an ax to grind. I will look into that.

Insulting remarks are not allowed in this forum.

From Paul's favorite feminist:

Because what is wrong with some mild sex play? What is the big deal? You know I can see forbidding, or being concerned about, situations where a larger man is convincing a small boy to let him have anal intercourse with him. I can see why people might start to be concerned about this, because does this young child I'm talking about a really young child, say, eight years old is he really cognizant about what is going on here, what anal intercourse is. But just sex play? What is wrong? I feel I have a radical sixties libertarian position on this question. I fail to see what is wrong with erotic fondling with any age. That's the direction I would go right now. I mean the anal inter course thing, that's going to be a hard sell for a thousand years probably. But I would really want to push the issue of what is wrong with anything which gives pleasure? What is wrong with it, even if it does involve fondling of genitals. I would like to force that issue right into the front of the cultural agenda. Oh it haunts them, [they'll say]. How does it haunt them? Where is the harm to the children if they are getting polymorphous perverse pleasure from it, except in the harm as society forces secrecy on everyone and makes everyone neurotic? More damage comes from the enforced secrecy and covertness than probably comes from these mild physical liberties. What's the big deal?

<i>The Guide</i> Interviews Camille Paglia - Magazine Feature - January 1999

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[Paul]

From Paul's favorite feminist:

<i>The Guide</i> Interviews Camille Paglia - Magazine Feature - January 1999

web.archive.org

I learned something today:
I had no idea Paglia was a lesbian and that she approves of pornography, drugs, and very kinky sex. She goes as far as to say child pornography is OK. I cannot endorse her views on sexuality. The only thing I can accept about her is that she is a lesbian and not a man hater.