What happens to the Republican Party now? (4 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Snarky Sack]

That photo is from 2021. I found it on an NPR story that opens with this sentence:

"The Department of Homeland Security will begin deporting planes full of Haitian migrants as soon as Sunday to discourage more border-crossers from streaming into a camp in South Texas."

Not exactly the open borders you claim.

Maybe they did deport them and maybe they did not. They certainly did not deport any of them smart enough to claim asylum. I seriously doubt they deported any. If they had news outlets like NPR would have eagerly posted pictures of the deportations to support the Biden administration.

My point was that it we did not see scenes like that until word got out that Biden was opening the border, which didn't take long at all. Question: how did so many Haitians get to Mexico to cross the border?

That's not Biden's policy. That is international law.

U.S. Law takes precedence in the U.S.

These children are supposed to have adult relatives they live with and HHS is supposed to be monitoring all of this. The breakdown in the system is apparent and absolutely needs to be fixed. This is a problem that was going on before Biden, and before Trump as well. It's been happening for a very long time.

Yes, Mayorkas passed the buck to HHS and the Department of Labor, naturally blaming Congress for not giving them enough money to those agencies.

Both agencies are far too overwhelmed currently to be able to solve this. If it was happening before Trump, I would wonder why Obama didn't fix it instead of building cages.

Let's say hypothetically that the problem under Biden is no more severe than under Trump. Trump will still win votes from the issue because he at least tried to fix it (not hard enough in my opinion) and he talks about finishing what he started.

I predict that Biden will announce some kind of "get tougher policy" as he has already started to do IIRC. Closer to the election his pollsters will tell him that he needs to do that. And of course blue city mayors are already telling him they are overwhelmed.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Maybe they did deport them and maybe they did not. They certainly did not deport any of them smart enough to claim asylum. I seriously doubt they deported any. If they had news outlets like NPR would have eagerly posted pictures of the deportations to support the Biden administration.

Asylum claims are a very complex legal issue and carry tremendous weight. They need to be respected and those making the claim need to be treated fairly.

My point was that it we did not see scenes like that until word got out that Biden was opening the border, which didn't take long at all. Question: how did so many Haitians get to Mexico to cross the border?

We've seen things like this at the border before. Hell, the migrant caravans that dominated the news cycle began in earnest during the Trump administration.

U.S. Law takes precedence in the U.S.

The US adheres to international asylum law. To apply for asylum in the US, the asylum seeker must either be at a port of entry or physically in the country.

Asylum | USCIS

www.uscis.gov

Yes, Mayorkas passed the buck to HHS and the Department of Labor, naturally blaming Congress for not giving them enough money to those agencies.

Both agencies are far too overwhelmed currently to be able to solve this. If it was happening before Trump, I would wonder why Obama didn't fix it instead of building cages.

I don't care who passed the buck or who blames who. Everyone involved is to blame, from when this started up until now. This problem transcends political parties.

 

[LA - L.A.]

And yet a lot of polls have shown a big support for Michelle Obama (Who certainly do not want to run)

I could be underestimating American society and hope that I am. I'm a bit more pessimistic and cynical theses days.

 

[Eeyore]

As Texas swelters, local rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will soon be nullified

Gov. Greg Abbott approved a law this week that will eliminate city and county ordinances like Austin’s and Dallas’ mandated water breaks.

www.texastribune.org

It's almost as if he wants them to unionize.

 

[Eeyore]

Ron DeSantis: I’ll purge FBI on day one of my presidency

Republican hopeful pledges to drastically reform the law enforcement agency and Department of Justice if he wins the White House in 2024

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Snarky Sack]

As Texas swelters, local rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will soon be nullified

Gov. Greg Abbott approved a law this week that will eliminate city and county ordinances like Austin’s and Dallas’ mandated water breaks.

www.texastribune.org

It's almost as if he wants them to unionize.

He wants them to do as they please. That's what Texas has always been about.

Please broadcast as far as you can: Texas is not a place for sipping Perrier or sucking ice lollies. Not during the workday, that's for sure.

 

[el caliente]

As Texas swelters, local rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will soon be nullified

Gov. Greg Abbott approved a law this week that will eliminate city and county ordinances like Austin’s and Dallas’ mandated water breaks.

www.texastribune.org

It's almost as if he wants them to unionize.

I’m not in construction work, but are people not allowed to get a drink when they are thirsty? Is this in an effort to prevent what the public usually sees (as they are stuck in construction traffic) 1 guy working while 12 others are watching the 1 guy work?

 

[Snarky Sack]

I’m not in construction work, but are people not allowed to get a drink when they are thirsty? Is this in an effort to prevent what the public usually sees (as they are stuck in construction traffic) 1 guy working while 12 others are watching the 1 guy work?

Very good point.

In every government contract, it seems there must be several slots for "the guy who leans on his shovel."

 

[LA - L.A.]

He wants them to do as they please. That's what Texas has always been about.

If by "He" you mean Abbot and the Republicans in charge of the legislature; and if by "them" you meant the people that can fire construction workers for taking a water break without permission; and by "do as they please," you mean that they can fire a construction water for taking a water break that they need to protect themselves from heated related illness, then you are correct.

Abbott and the Republicans in the Texas legislature want the people who can fire construction workers to be able to fire construction workers for taking a water break that they need to protect themselves from heated related illness.

That's a really bizarre thing to be proud of and to brag about.

 

[DaveXA]

Very good point.

In every government contract, it seems there must be several slots for "the guy who leans on his shovel."

Idk if you're serious or not, but that's just silly talk.

 

[el caliente]

Why is there a requirement to put “water breaks” into construction contracts though? I read the article, and it discusses everything but the reasoning why water breaks are important.

Are folks not allowed to go get water when they are working in the Texas sun? I had the misfortune of working outside in the 103 heat here in Magnolia as a volunteer for my kids’ swim meet yesterday. Man, if you weren’t getting water every half hour, you were going to suffer a heat stroke.

Seems like common sense (not a government required water break) is needed in this case.

 

[DaveXA]

Why is there a requirement to put “water breaks” into construction contracts though? I read the article, and it discusses everything but the reasoning why water breaks are important.

Are folks not allowed to go get water when they are working in the Texas sun? I had the misfortune of working outside in the 103 heat here in Magnolia as a volunteer for my kids’ swim meet yesterday. Man, if you weren’t getting water every half hour, you were going to suffer a heat stroke.

Seems like common sense (not a government required water break) is needed in this case.

I dunno about water breaks in contracts, but if you care about getting projects done and not having to deal with employees getting sick or dying from heat stroke, you'll make sure there's large jugs of water nearby and employees are drinking fluids as frequently as needed. You don't need a contract for common sense.

Some managers and supervisors don't have that common sense tho and employees need to be protected from those kinds of supervisors.

 

[MT15]

He wants them to do as they please. That's what Texas has always been about.

Please broadcast as far as you can: Texas is not a place for sipping Perrier or sucking ice lollies. Not during the workday, that's for sure.

One of the more idiotic statements I think I’ve ever read. Congratulations.

 

[CoolBrees]

I have run over 10 construction crews bigger that 400 in Texas.

Two things-

Texans are by far the laziest of all workers and it is not close.

Texas business owners are even worse. Lazy and stupid.

This isn’t a Texas rule - it’s an OSHA requirement during heat. They are removing the wet bulb requirement for breaks in high heat.

Heat stress can lead to heat stroke which is potentially fatal.

Fortunately most companies operate outside of Texas and would never impose such a stupid rule.

This will injure a bunch of residential construction workers however. They are locally owned.

 

[MT15]

I have run over 10 construction crews bigger that 400 in Texas.

Two things-

Texans are by far the laziest of all workers and it is not close.

Texas business owners are even worse. Lazy and stupid.

This isn’t a Texas rule - it’s an OSHA requirement during heat. They are removing the wet bulb requirement for breaks in high heat.

Heat stress can lead to heat stroke which is potentially fatal.

Fortunately most companies operate outside of Texas and would never impose such a stupid rule.

This will injure a bunch of residential construction workers however. They are locally owned.

And it’s not all or nothing. It’s not either you die from heat stroke or you’re fine. There’s an entire spectrum of physical damage. It’s extremely stupid to not protect workers with this rule.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Asylum claims are a very complex legal issue and carry tremendous weight. They need to be respected and those making the claim need to be treated fairly.



We've seen things like this at the border before. Hell, the migrant caravans that dominated the news cycle began in earnest during the Trump administration.

They sure did. Which is why Trump wanted to build the wall. To funnel those migrants to ports of entry.

The US adheres to international asylum law. To apply for asylum in the US, the asylum seeker must either be at a port of entry or physically in the country.

Asylum | USCIS

www.uscis.gov

Are you showing me that to show what the law is or to say that that law us currently being followed? IOW, are asylum seekers who are caught by border patrol instead of reporting to a port of entry simply deported and told that next time they must cross the border at a point of entry and then make their claim?

Does the Biden administration have the same border policies as the Trump administration?

I don't care who passed the buck or who blames who. Everyone involved is to blame, from when this started up until now. This problem transcends political parties.

One thing I agree with Kamala Harris on, though I put it another way, is that our border crises originates in the fact that so many other countries, who have not chosen to follow the example of the United States, are such economic disasters. Some are human rights disasters also. Draining those countries of talent, by inviting their most able citizens to come to the U.S. as fast as they can while the getting's good, will ensure that they remain heck holes that people won't want to live in.

Not sure what Harris is doing about that as Border Czar.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

They sure did. Which is why Trump wanted to build the wall. To funnel those migrants to ports of entry.

You realize that the wall didn't actually work and in some places it was counterproductive, right?

Are you showing me that to show what the law is or to say that that law us currently being followed? IOW, are asylum seekers who are caught by border patrol instead of reporting to a port of entry simply deported and told that next time they must cross the border at a point of entry and then make their claim?

Does the Biden administration have the same border policies as the Trump administration?

I don't know the details of each man's policy enough to know how similar they are. What I do know is that apprehensions and known illegal entries went up after construction began on the fence. Biden has definitely been sending asylum seekers back to Mexico with cooperation from the Mexican government.

One thing I agree with Kamala Harris on, though I put it another way, is that our border crises originates in the fact that so many other countries, who have not chosen to follow the example of the United States, are such economic disasters. Some are human rights disasters also. Draining those countries of talent, by inviting their most able citizens to come to the U.S. as fast as they can while the getting's good, will ensure that they remain heck holes that people won't want to live in.

Not sure what Harris is doing about that as Border Czar.

As an "America First" kind of guy, you're perfectly fine with that, right?

 

[Eeyore]

He wants them to do as they please. That's what Texas has always been about.

Please broadcast as far as you can: Texas is not a place for sipping Perrier or sucking ice lollies. Not during the workday, that's for sure.

Can they get an abortion if they please?