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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
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    QFT.

    Not a peep from Mcarthy, MTG et al about ANY of the recent shootings. They keeping quiet and hoping/waiting for an incident that they can jump on to change the narrative.
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    I was actually talking about the posters here who get caught lying and when cornered on their lies, try to ignore it in hopes of moving on to their next lie.
     
    Republican lawmakers have become increasingly focused on waging conservative culture wars. Over the past year, the GOP has racked up several wins surrounding issues such as abortion care and reproductive rights, LGBTQ rights, and parents' rights over school curriculums.

    After the revocation of Roe v. Wade, several red-state legislatures have been able to pass more restrictive abortion bans. Last month, Republicans successfully passed a law restricting drag performances on public property in Tennessee, and others are taking aim at gender-affirming care for transgender youth. Conservatives have also turned their sights to public school classrooms, universities, and public libraries. GOP-run states are passing widespread book bans, lambasting critical race theory, and placing restrictions on what sports trans students are allowed to play.

    Legislative wins aside, some question whether Republicans' cultural crusade will work for them in the long run, as many of their measures appear unpopular among the general public. For instance, since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, polls show "public opinion on abortion in the U.S. has moved sharply leftward," Intelligencer wrote. Are Republicans out of touch?

    Republican culture war rhetoric has flopped in school board elections, where "candidates who ran culture-war campaigns flamed out," Juan Perez Jr. writes for Politico. The outcomes have "major implications for 2024" and should also "serve as a renewed warning to Republican presidential hopefuls like Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis," Perez adds. "General election voters are less interested in crusades against critical race theory and transgender students than they are in funding schools and ensuring they are safe."

    Ryan Girdusky, the founder of the conservative political action committee 1776 Project, defended the performance of the school board candidates he endorsed, telling Politico that they "didn't get obliterated." Still, he warns conservative candidates against assuming "that a blanket message on critical race theory or transgender issues is going to claim every district," and advised that they "don't tell parents something is happening if it's not happening, because then it doesn't look like you're running a serious operation."

    The controversies over abortion restrictions, book banning, and similar cultural measures "reveal how much politics has become an intergenerational battle, with older traditionalists against younger progressives," David Hopkins opines at Bloomberg. Social issues that "divide voters along generational lines have become more central to the nation's political debates," Hopkins adds. He finds it "hard to imagine" that the GOP can successfully sway more young voters "by treating young adults' political views with contempt or characterizing them as gullible victims of liberal brainwashing."

    As Republican presidential hopefuls prepare for 2024, "the fact that one cannot win a GOP primary without titillating culture-war addicts is undermining the party's prospects for winning the next general election," Eric Levitz comments in Intelligencer. Republicans fare better when they focus on economic concerns, Levitz adds, and each day "that the GOP's 2024 hopefuls display more concern with 'Marxist' educators than with high prices brings Joe Biden one step closer to re-election.".................

     
    In 1932, Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis applauded the role of experimentation within the states, calling them “laboratories of democracy” that could inspire reforms at the national level. Today, that dynamic is inverted, as some red states have become laboratories of authoritarianism, experimenting with the autocratic playbook in ways that could filter up to the federal government. American states are now splintering, not just on partisan lines, but on their commitment to the principles of liberal democracy.

    Democracy requires more than just holding elections. But at a bare minimum, two qualities are nonnegotiable. True democracies must allow voters to determine who governs through elections, and must respect the outcome of those elections. Many Republicans at the state level are undercutting those principles.

    Democratic deterioration is not a new problem in red states. Jacob Grumbach, a political-science professor at the University of Washington and the author of Laboratories Against Democracy, measured the democratic quality of American states from 2000 to 2018. He used 51 indicators, including gerrymandering, whether politicians were responsive to public opinion, long wait times to vote, and the availability of postelection audits to verify that the count was accurate. States that had been dominated by Republicans over the previous two decades, Grumbach found, became substantially less democratic. States dominated by Democrats and those with a divided government saw no such drop-off.

    Since Grumbach published his findings, Republican attacks on the mechanisms of democracy have accelerated. When Democrats win at the ballot box, Republicans may attempt to neutralize their power. In Arizona, an elected Republican proposed allowing the state legislature the power to overturn the results of presidential elections. In Mississippi, white Republicans in the state House of Representatives established a parallel court system to cater to white neighborhoods in Jackson, usurping the elected judges put in office by the broader population, which is 80 percent Black..............

     
    long (like Atlantic long) but good/scary article
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    ..........I won’t mince words with you. Americans are now experiencing the grim reality of authoritarian collapse.

    But do they really understand it? I mean that as a real question — not as an insult. Let me explain — on both counts, the collapse, and the question.

    You see, what is happening in America really is the crossing of a new threshold. The GOP’s given up on any last pretense of being interested not just in democracy, but also in modernity, or any of their values — consent, peace, justice, truth, equality. It’s now mounting a blitzkrieg on what’s left of American democracy, and its attempts to even aspire to be a modern society. A series of attacks, each one more disturbing, destructive, and catastrophic than the last. As these attacks mount, America’s beginning to experience the reality of authoritarian collapse.

    Let me put that in context. When I say “experience the reality,” that’s the crossing of a threshold. Many figures like me have long predicted American collapse. And we’ve pointed out various forms of it. Economic collapse — the decline of the middle and working class, the rise of an indebted underclass. Social collapse — the failure to build any form of modern social systems, from healthcare to retirement. Intergenerational collapse — four to five generations and counting plummeting into downward mobility.

    But this is different. This is the culmination of all those prior forms of collapse. And for a long time — too long — many Americans thought this would never happen. They’d look at those other forms of collapse, and if they were thoughtful and sane people, sympathize, perhaps — but these forms of collapse didn’t always hit home. Many remained insulated from them. If you were a Boomer living the Dream — sure, you might see these forms of collapse, but you weren’t really living them.

    These forms of collapse “came for,” as we say, society’s most powerless groups first. Immigrants, refugees. It was bad if Trump was demonizing Mexicans — but hey, did it really affect me? Not that much, perhaps. But now? Americans are being affected en masse, for the first time, by authoritarian collapse. Now, it’s everyday Americans who never thought it would get this bad — squarely in the crosshairs of a lunatic, out-of-control GOP.

    That GOP is taking away their rights. The ones that most Americans thought could never disappear. Basic constitutional rights, a point we’ll come back to. If I asked you a decade ago, “So…do you think that Americans won’t be able to travel freely between states in ten years? Wait, how about forcing genital inspections on kids?” You’d have laughed at me, and painted me with the brush of a Rush Limbaugh. And yet here we are. But not because of the “woke mob” or the “globalists” — because of the GOP.

    This is different. That point should be clearly noted and understood, as a beginning. It’s not something to minimize, erase, or deny anymore. What you see before your eyes, what you’re experiencing as an everyday American…it’s really happening.

    I want to emphasize that, because we are still beating around the bush. Pundits call all this “minority rule.” That’s like calling Jesus someone’s son. An understatement of historic proportions. It isn’t “minority rule.” They say that for decorum’s sake. And what have we learned about decorum, thanks to the brave Justins from Tennessee, who courageously broke its rules, after kids were massacred? It doesn’t do to be too polite when they’re coming for you and yours.

    Minority rule? Give me a break. This is the kind of thing that makes American discourse and media a laughingstock the world over. It’s foolish, ignorant, uneducated. It’s not a term you’ll find in textbooks. It’s one of political expediency. The new CNN plays games like this. But average Americans are the losers. The correct term is authoritarianism...............

    So. Point one. Americans are now experiencing the bitter, brutal reality of authoritarian collapse. Point two, that needs to called what it is, or else, Big Lies win, and self-deceit pervades a society, which is how collapse hardens and curdles.

    The first two points can also be thought of as Big Lies. Big Lie number one: both sides are equal, and so this is just politics as usual. Sorry, do you see our side trying to…inspect anyone’s genitals? Take anyone’s rights away? Didn’t think so. Big Lie number two: it’s just something innocuous, temporary, over-your-head, like “minority rule.” Not the very thing we read about in great books, which not coincidentally, are what they’re trying to ban — authoritarianism.

    That brings me to Big Lie number three. “America’s a divided country.” LOL. Are you kidding me? The vast, vast majority of Americans agree. On every single issue the GOP is now trying to push down their throats, and suffocate them with the antithesis of.

    Supermajorities of Americans agree on all the following things. Guns are out of control, and they need to be far better regulated, especially any crackpot being able to collect weapons of war. Women should have access to reproductive healthcare. Kids should be able to read books. Everyone should have healthcare. Taxes should be higher, especially on the wealthy and ultra-wealthy. Nobody’s asked, but I’d bet they’d also agree that there’s something very wrong with inspecting kids genitals, too................

    And yet…

    There isn’t one Republican — not one — who supports any of these things. Any of them. Sure, you might find a few here and there who say they do. But they certainly don’t in practice, as in, vote that way, legislate for them, achieve them.

    Think about what that means............

    The crackpot fundamentalist judge in Texas did us one service — he revealed a crucial truth. This isn’t about “states rights” at all. This is what they want for every American. He wasn’t happy just taking Texan womens’ rights away. He took all American womens’ rights away. Texas’s population is almost 30 million. America’s population is 330 million. His impact was ten times greater than what the GOP assured us wouldn’t happen, coddling Americans with the Big Lie that this wasn’t fascism, this was just about “states rights.” Americans fell for it, because, like I’ve pointed out, their media does a pretty terrible job, with a few exceptions (thank you, Washington Post and ProPublica) discussing any of this in serious or realistic or historic ways. Think about what it means that one man can take rights away from more than 300 million women.......

    eand.co

    Americans Are Now Experiencing the Everyday Reality of Authoritarian Collapse

    Take the Worst Abuses of Power in Each State. Imagine Them Nationwide. That’s the Fascist Dystopia the GOP Wants America to Be
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    from Dennis Prager

    The left hates America because they have nothing going on in their lives that gives them meaning. The inferior always hates the superior. The left is morally inferior to the United States and its founders and the Judeo-Christian system. The inferior morally hate the morally superior. The left has always been morally inferior from Lenin to today.
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    Who wants to tell him that “the left” IS as American as he is?
     
    It seems that putting MTG on committees is going really well:



    Her outburst was to call Secretary Mayorkas a liar when he said that the Biden Administration was working to halt drugs crossing the Southern border. How is that a lie? I mean you can say they aren’t being effective if you want, but for his statement to be a lie she would be saying they aren’t even trying. Obviously there are border agents working to stop illegal drugs from coming into the US. She’s so bad at this.
     
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    MT15 said:
    It seems that putting MTG on committees is going really well:



    Her outburst was to call Secretary Mayorkas a liar when he said that the Biden Administration was working to halt drugs crossing the Southern border. How is that a lie? I mean you can say they aren’t being effective if you want, but for his statement to be a lie she would be saying they aren’t even trying. Obviously there are border agents working to stop illegal drugs from coming into the US. She’s so bad at this.
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    But, but she’s is one of Trump’s darling scam artists… the GOP does not love the way she slithers? :unsure:
     
    MT15 said:
    It seems that putting MTG on committees is going really well:



    Her outburst was to call Secretary Mayorkas a liar when he said that the Biden Administration was working to halt drugs crossing the Southern border. How is that a lie? I mean you can say they aren’t being effective if you want, but for his statement to be a lie she would be saying they aren’t even trying. Obviously there are border agents working to stop illegal drugs from coming into the US. She’s so bad at this.
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    the self-cannibalization of the GOP is in full-swing.
     
    Kristina Karamo, an election denier who recently became the first Black person to lead the Michigan Republican Party, has made a name for herself and her state’s party, but not in a good way.

    As Blavity reported, Karamo rose to prominence in Michigan as an election-denying conspiracy theorist who has primarily ridden the coattails of Donald Trump. Now in charge of her state’s Republican party, Karamo has outdone the former president in outrageous remarks.

    As CNN reported, Karamo has made several highly controversial and sometimes bizarre statements during her political career. For example, she’s accused Beyoncé and Jay-Z of being satanic and has made similar accusations against Cardi B, Billie Eilish and Ariana Grande. Beyond targeting celebrities, Karamo has also condemned the Black Lives Matter movement as a whole as “nothing but Marxism and Satanism in blackface.” She has additionally seen satanic forces at work in yoga and casual sex.........

     

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