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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    If a year ago, someone said that Democratic Senate nominees would be leading in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin (including with comfortable margins in Ohio and Pennsylvania), you might have been rightly skeptical. But here we are, less than 100 days from Election Day, and Democrats are leading in all three states.

    In Ohio, Rep. Tim Ryan (D) leads MAGA-compliant J.D. Vance by a margin of 5 to 12 points in every poll going back to July 3, according to FiveThirtyEight. In Pennsylvania, Lt. Gov. John Fetterman (D) is leading TV snake-oil salesman Mehmet Oz by more than eight points. And in Wisconsin, Mandela Barnes, the near-certain Democratic nominee, leads incumbent Sen. Ron Johnson (R) in the most recent poll from Marquette University Law School by a statistically insignificant two points.

    FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver explains: “[Democrats’] chances of winning the Senate now stand at 55 percent. That’s up from 47 percent from forecast launch on June 30. It’s also up from 40 percent in a retroactive forecast dated back to June 1.” He attributes the change to the Supreme Court’s ruling overturning abortion rights, a run of good news for President Biden, reduced gas prices and some really cruddy Republican candidates.

    He also points to another factor: While covid is not gone, it’s becoming a manageable condition for most Americans (thanks to vaccines, boosters and treatments).

    The path to victory for these Democrats — as it is for Democrats in other competitive races — runs straight through their erratic, radical opponents. That takes nothing away from candidates such as Ryan and Fetterman, whose blue-collar persona, working-class agenda and down-to-earth delivery illustrate how Democrats can hold their base and still reach independents and disaffected Republicans.

    Nevertheless, if the GOP loses its chance to take back the Senate majority, it will largely be due to its decision to nominate terrible candidates............



     
    Former President Donald Trump had the chance to kill the leader of al-Qaeda but didn't because he didn't recognize the terrorist leader's name, NBC News reported in 2020.

    Ayman al-Zawahiri was killed in a US drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday, President Joe Biden announced on Monday.

    His death, which has been hailed by many world leaders, is the biggest blow to al-Qaeda since its founder, Osama bin Laden, was killed by US Navy SEALs in 2011.

    But plans for al-Zawahiri's execution could have been carried out far earlier, according to an NBC News report published in February 2020.

    Intelligence officials briefed Trump many times about senior terrorist figures the CIA wanted to track down and kill, specifically mentioning al-Zawahiri, NBC News reported.

    But two people familiar with the briefings told NBC News that Trump chose not to pursue al-Zawahiri because he didn't recognize his name, and instead suggested targeting bin Laden's son, Hamza bin Laden.

    "He would say, 'I've never heard of any of these people. What about Hamza bin Laden?'" one unnamed former official told NBC News.

    A Pentagon official also told the news outlet: "That was the only name he knew."............

     
    DaveXA said:
    Voting 3rd party might as well be voting for Trump unless Biden doesn't run again. I think Biden would lose to Trump this time around. I'm voting Democrat even though I'm not one. I'm not interested in giving Trump a second term.
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    Well, it depends on if it's a toss-up state or not. I could vote third party until the cows come home and go out again and it'll do nothing to dent the margin the Republican candidate will win by.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    If a year ago, someone said that Democratic Senate nominees would be leading in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin (including with comfortable margins in Ohio and Pennsylvania), you might have been rightly skeptical. But here we are, less than 100 days from Election Day, and Democrats are leading in all three states.

    In Ohio, Rep. Tim Ryan (D) leads MAGA-compliant J.D. Vance by a margin of 5 to 12 points in every poll going back to July 3, according to FiveThirtyEight. In Pennsylvania, Lt. Gov. John Fetterman (D) is leading TV snake-oil salesman Mehmet Oz by more than eight points. And in Wisconsin, Mandela Barnes, the near-certain Democratic nominee, leads incumbent Sen. Ron Johnson (R) in the most recent poll from Marquette University Law School by a statistically insignificant two points.

    FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver explains: “[Democrats’] chances of winning the Senate now stand at 55 percent. That’s up from 47 percent from forecast launch on June 30. It’s also up from 40 percent in a retroactive forecast dated back to June 1.” He attributes the change to the Supreme Court’s ruling overturning abortion rights, a run of good news for President Biden, reduced gas prices and some really cruddy Republican candidates.

    He also points to another factor: While covid is not gone, it’s becoming a manageable condition for most Americans (thanks to vaccines, boosters and treatments).

    The path to victory for these Democrats — as it is for Democrats in other competitive races — runs straight through their erratic, radical opponents. That takes nothing away from candidates such as Ryan and Fetterman, whose blue-collar persona, working-class agenda and down-to-earth delivery illustrate how Democrats can hold their base and still reach independents and disaffected Republicans.

    Nevertheless, if the GOP loses its chance to take back the Senate majority, it will largely be due to its decision to nominate terrible candidates............



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    That is good.

    Still, call me paranoid (ok, you're paranoid) but I will keep quiet until it happens. Ohio, where I live, has been trying to out-stupid a lot of states lately.
     
    (CNN) - The Defense Department wiped the phones of top departing DOD and Army officials at the end of the Trump administration, deleting any texts from key witnesses to events surrounding the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, according to court filings.

    The acknowledgment that the phones from the Pentagon officials had been wiped was first revealed in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit American Oversight brought against the Defense Department and the Army.

    The watchdog group is seeking January 6 records from former acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, former chief of staff Kash Patel, and former Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy, among other prominent Pentagon officials -- having filed initial FOIA requests just a few days after the Capitol attack…….



    www.cnn.com

    First on CNN: Jan. 6 text messages wiped from phones of key Trump Pentagon officials | CNN Politics

    The Defense Department wiped the phones of top departing DOD and Army officials at the end of the Trump administration, deleting any texts from key witnesses to events surrounding the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, according to court filings.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
     
    The Republican party of today has a new attitude towards the power of government. The Reaganites who used to dominate the party mostly saw government as the problem: if only it could be cut back or eliminated entirely, free markets would deliver everything America needed.

    But a new report on plans being developed for Donald Trump’s possible return to the White House shows just how much this has changed.

    Rather than sidelining or eliminating federal agencies, Republicans now want to do something much more disturbing: seize effective control of them in order to persecute their enemies and implement a radical agenda.

    At the core of the new plan, as reported by Axios, is the intention to strip away employment protections from thousands of senior civil servants, eliminating at a stroke a large chunk of the civil service’s expertise and institutional memory.

    This would allow them to be replaced with a “cadre” loyal to Trump’s America First agenda, most of them likely to be 20- and 30-somethings with no experience in government who would owe their newfound prominence to Trump alone. Ideologically zealous and loyal to a fault, they would set about trying to reshape the government in Trump’s image.

    Whoever developed this plan certainly had a keen eye for Trump’s greatest weakness as president. He hollowed out some agencies, particularly the state department, by driving staff to leave.

    But ignorant of how government worked and too impulsive to stay focused on a long-term program of change, he had little success at actually forcing most agencies to implement his America First agenda.

    Often, it seemed like Trump considered his own government to be more useful to him as a political foil than as a tool in his hands. Trump appeared to have decided there was little point to trying to actually control the “deep state” when he could instead portray himself as its victim……

    www.theguardian.com

    Republicans’ agenda for a second Trump term is far more radical than the first | Andrew Gawthorpe

    Rather than sideline federal agencies, Republicans want to seize control of them, purge civil servants and replace them with America First footsoldiers
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    DaveXA said:
    Voting 3rd party might as well be voting for Trump unless Biden doesn't run again. I think Biden would lose to Trump this time around. I'm voting Democrat even though I'm not one. I'm not interested in giving Trump a second term.
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    If Biden loses to Trump, that’s not on me, that’s on that party running a candidate that is less electable than a turd sandwich.
     
    el caliente said:
    If the Republicans ran Trump and MGT I would once again happily vote 3rd party.
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    el caliente said:
    If Biden loses to Trump, that’s not on me, that’s on that party running a candidate that is less electable than a turd sandwich.
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    So if there were a Hitler/Stalin ticket, and you knew the only way to beat them would be to vote for the Democratic Party, would you vote 3rd party?
     
    brandon said:
    So if there were a Hitler/Stalin ticket, and you knew the only way to beat them would be to vote for the Democratic Party, would you vote 3rd party?
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    Are Trump/MGT supposed to be the Hitler/Stalin?

    If it comes down to Trump/MGT or Biden/Harris, I’ll vote 3rd party.
     
    MT15 said:
    No, but that’s how Hitler came into power, IIRC.
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    Lol.

    Hitlers rise to power can be attributed to several factors (Germany’s distaste for the Treaty of Versailles, a floundering economy, a flailing government, etc.), but this can’t be laid at the feet of a 3rd party candidate.

    Every election cycle since I have been voting (2000), voters from both parties have said “this isn’t the year to throw your vote away on a 3rd party candidate.” Yet here we are 22 years later, and Washington has only gotten worse.

    www.nationalww2museum.org

    How Did Adolf Hitler Happen? | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

    Adolf Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany in 1933 following a series of electoral victories by the Nazi Party. He ruled absolutely until his death by suicide in April 1945.
    www.nationalww2museum.org www.nationalww2museum.org
     
    el caliente said:
    Are Trump/MGT supposed to be the Hitler/Stalin?

    If it comes down to Trump/MGT or Biden/Harris, I’ll vote 3rd party.
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    I just want to see if there’s a point where you’d vote for Biden to save your country.

    You didn’t answer the question.
     
    brandon said:
    I just want to see if there’s a point where you’d vote for Biden to save your country.

    You didn’t answer the question.
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    But I did answer your question. Are zombie Hitler and zombie Stallin on the ticket vs Biden/Harris? No.

    If it comes down to Trump/MGT (or any of his spineless acolytes) vs Biden/Harris, I’ll just vote 3rd part (again).
     

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