What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Optimus Prime]

not sure what thread this goes to

But I'm afraid this is the new normal - dispute every loss
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The election wasn't even close.

Last month, Natalie Adona won her race to become the clerk-recorder and registrar of voters in rural Nevada County with 68% of the vote — nearly 15,000 votes ahead of the man who came in second place.

But despite Adona's landslide victory, the race will be the subject of a potentially lengthy hand recount.

It is expected to take 38 days, cost more than $82,700, and require the hiring of temporary workers to count nearly 38,000 ballots.

And it is being funded by Randy Economy, a leader of the unsuccessful Republican-backed effort to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom last year.

Economy spoke vaguely about his motivations, saying "something doesn't smell right" about the county registrar's race.

"We have a crisis here in this state of who's in charge of democracy, and it ain't the county clerks, and it's not the local city clerks. It's the people," Economy said.

Economy was a spokesman and advisor for the campaign to recall Newsom. The special statewide election last September, in which voters overwhelmingly chose to keep Newsom in office, cost state and local governments more than $200 million.

In Nevada County, the involvement of Economy — a conservative radio host who lives nine hours south in the Coachella Valley — has baffled local officials, who say the recount is a waste of time and resources and is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to sow doubt in the elections process..........

MSN

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An insurrectionist Republican gubernatorial candidate is refusing to concede his primary loss despite finishing in fourth place.

Ryan Kelley, who was indicted on federal misdemeanor charges for his involvement in the Jan. 6 riot, finished more than 25 points behind GOP primary winner Tudor Dixon, but he called for a recount in a post echoing election fraud claims made by Donald Trump, reported WNEM-TV.

“Looks like the 'testing' was not testing after all, and it was a release of their preferred and predetermined outcome," Kelley posted on Facebook, suggesting that tampering with voting machines had cost him the election. "NOT CONCEDING! Let’s see the GOP and the predetermined winner call for a publicly supervised hand recount to uphold election integrity.”

Dixon unofficially won more than 40 percent of the vote, while Kelley drew a little more than 15 percent and finished fourth in the five-way primary...........

MSN

 

[DaveXA]

It's a matter of conscience. It's about doing everything you can, even if futile, to save democracy in America.

Voting third party can be a matter of conscience as well.

 

[superchuck500]

This is quite a read about Blake Masters, who just won the GOP nomination for Senate in Arizona:

Opinion | The Violent Fantasies of Blake Masters (Published 2022)

His bizarre, menacing vision for American politics could well define the future of his party.

www.nytimes.com

 

[el caliente]

Fine. Voting 3rd party in the upcoming election if Trump is on the ticket is tacit support for autocracy.

Better?


My vote isn't a cop out because I recognize the threat a Trump/MTG ticket would be to the foundations of our country, based on the overwhelming evidence that both have no qualms about throwing democracy out the window in their pursuit of power.

My voting history is 4 Dem to 2 Republican, so I've been on the other side of the aisle, too. And in any other election, if you want to waste your vote on a third party, go nuts. I don't care.

But if Trump/MTG is the ticket and you vote 3rd party, you're not doing everything you can to protect the country from sliding into autocracy. As an American, I believe it's my duty to tell you how to vote if one of the tickets is Hitler/Stalin, and I feel only slightly less adamant that as an American, it's my duty to tell you how to vote if one of the tickets is Trump/MTG.

You don't have to listen. But you do have to come to grips with the fact that you're aiding the destruction of democracy in America. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but that's the truth.



If you voted 3rd party in 2016 because Hillary was a terrible candidate, I can deal with it. I think it was still a poor choice, but at least in 2016 you maybe didn't understand fully what you were getting into.

Now? There's no excuse.

I’m not going to tell you how to vote, pray, or live, because that’s not my place. I wish you were the same.

I definitely get that everyone has the right to cast their vote however they wish. But, sometimes elections swing without warning. Look at the Kansas referendum last night. The only poll I saw indicated that the YES vote was ahead 48-40 or something like that. Well, it broke nearly 60-40 the other way. I feel strongly enough that Trump is dead set against us having free and fair elections that I will always vote for the democrat who opposes him. I’m taking no chances.

You cannot count the people who don’t vote. The ONLY way Hitler wins with less than 51% of the vote is if there are multiple parties. That’s just a fact. If there are only 2 candidates it’s impossible to win with 44% of the vote.

The fact that you are spinning this hard to deny the obvious truth here should tell you something.

I agree with you about the EC. It already gives us presidents who didn’t win the popular vote. IMO we are playing with fire by continuing to use it.

I’m not the one spinning this hard to deny the obvious when the obvious was laid out earlier. Hitlers election had less to do with alternative options than it did with his message (vs the lack of a message the other parties provided). That’s just a fact sister.

 

[el caliente]

Voting third party can be a matter of conscience as well.

Apparently not to some people.

 

[el caliente]

It's a matter of conscience. It's about doing everything you can, even if futile, to save democracy in America.

Everyone who votes thinks they are doing that.

Are you this adamant about telling women what to do with their bodies as you are with telling people how to vote?

 

[brandon]

Are you this adamant about telling women what to do with their bodies as you are with telling people how to vote?

This is a @Farb level false-equivalency. Truly magnificent.

 

[brandon]

Voting third party can be a matter of conscience as well.

For the stupid and/or willfully ignorant*














*again, we're talking about in the face of a Trump/MTG ticket. Wasting your vote in any other election is whatever to me. But after the January 6th hearings, if we end up with Trump as the Republican nominee, a vote for third party is, if not an equivalent vote for autocracy to voting for Trump directly, then at least a dereliction of duty in preventing him from succeeding. Joe Biden and/or *insert Democrat here* is not worse than losing democracy, and if it is to you, then your conscience is broken.

 

[bird]

An insurrectionist Republican gubernatorial candidate is refusing to concede his primary loss despite finishing in fourth place.

Ryan Kelley, who was indicted on federal misdemeanor charges for his involvement in the Jan. 6 riot, finished more than 25 points behind GOP primary winner Tudor Dixon, but he called for a recount in a post echoing election fraud claims made by Donald Trump, reported WNEM-TV.

“Looks like the 'testing' was not testing after all, and it was a release of their preferred and predetermined outcome," Kelley posted on Facebook, suggesting that tampering with voting machines had cost him the election. "NOT CONCEDING! Let’s see the GOP and the predetermined winner call for a publicly supervised hand recount to uphold election integrity.”

Dixon unofficially won more than 40 percent of the vote, while Kelley drew a little more than 15 percent and finished fourth in the five-way primary...........

MSN

Welp, I would say that thanks to the Velveeta Vulgarian (credit to Shower Cap’s blog) our government not mention society are coming apart at the seams. However, Donnie Dotard has simply ripped the scab off of the festering gangrene that has become the norm in this country. Look for a pantload of Republicans to claim fraud in primaries and general elections. The delegitimization of democracy is the lasting gift of Trump and the party that refused to kick him to the curb.

 

[bird]

This is quite a read about Blake Masters, who just won the GOP nomination for Senate in Arizona:

Opinion | The Violent Fantasies of Blake Masters (Published 2022)

His bizarre, menacing vision for American politics could well define the future of his party.

www.nytimes.com

Oh, good, another punk who shows “success“ in business and thinks, well, that is probably the wrong word, that he knows everything and can solve everything while hedging his bets with fraud/cheating claims at the ready.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Jon Stewart WENT OFF, as he should have... seriously, eff the gop reason #1,776... (profanity in the vid)

interesting take - and I thought the pork thing had been debunked
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Comedian Jon Stewart hopped on his left-wing soapbox this week to vilify Republicans for the sins of Democrats with regard to the Promise to Address Comprehensive Toxins Act. The PACT Act is a bill "entitled to improve health care and benefits for veterans exposed to toxic substances, and for other purposes."

It's an important bill to fund an increase in healthcare access to veterans exposed to burn pits, radiation, and Agent Orange during their time in the military. So why did Democrats include $400 billion of unrelated spending in the bill?.........

If Stewart had any integrity, he would attack the Democrats for their malfeasance instead of being the left-wing shill and performance actor he has always been. Stewart's heart might be in the right place, but his mind has been poisoned by Democratic indoctrination and politics..........

If Jon Stewart had any integrity, he'd go after Democrats, not Republicans, on veterans bill

 

[DaveXA]

For the stupid and/or willfully ignorant*














*again, we're talking about in the face of a Trump/MTG ticket. Wasting your vote in any other election is whatever to me. But after the January 6th hearings, if we end up with Trump as the Republican nominee, a vote for third party is, if not an equivalent vote for autocracy to voting for Trump directly, then at least a dereliction of duty in preventing him from succeeding. Joe Biden and/or *insert Democrat here* is not worse than losing democracy, and if it is to you, then your conscience is broken.

I know what you're talking about, and it's irrelevant in a non-swing state. Save the outrage for those in the swing states.

I mean, interesting that Democrats supposedly voting their conscience by voting for Trumpers in Republican primaries when they think it gives them a better chance to win the general election. So....

 

[brandon]

I know what you're talking about, and it's irrelevant in a non-swing state. Save the outrage for those in the swing states.

Nonsense. If you are a voter in a non-swing state, you still have a duty as an American to vote for who you believe to be the best choice for the country. The election is not the place to voice your discontent with the two-party system when the literal future of the country is at stake. Whether it changes the outcome is irrelevant. It's about doing the right thing. It's about standing up for the future of the country, even if you have no chance. It's about the captain going down with the ship if he has to.

I mean, interesting that Democrats supposedly voting their conscience by voting for Trumpers in Republican primaries when they think it gives them a better chance to win the general election. So....

I didn't say Democrats are perfect voters.

I said voting for a 3rd party when Trump is on the ticket is wrong. And I stand by that, regardless of swing state status.

 

[MT15]

I’m not going to tell you how to vote, pray, or live, because that’s not my place. I wish you were the same.



I’m not the one spinning this hard to deny the obvious when the obvious was laid out earlier. Hitlers election had less to do with alternative options than it did with his message (vs the lack of a message the other parties provided). That’s just a fact sister.

Look, I said the horrible conditions contributed. But you keep denying the fact that a crucial piece tI the result was normal people splitting their vote among multiple parties. That’s a fact that cannot be denied. Given the same horrible conditions and 44% of the vote, Hitler gets nothing.

 

[DaveXA]

Nonsense. If you are a voter in a non-swing state, you still have a duty as an American to vote for who you believe to be the best choice for the country. The election is not the place to voice your discontent with the two-party system when the literal future of the country is at stake. Whether it changes the outcome is irrelevant. It's about doing the right thing. It's about standing up for the future of the country, even if you have no chance. It's about the captain going down with the ship if he has to.



I didn't say Democrats are perfect voters.

I said voting for a 3rd party when Trump is on the ticket is wrong. And I stand by that, regardless of swing state status.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. To each his own I guess.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. To each his own I guess.

Agreed

 

[el caliente]

This is a @Farb level false-equivalency. Truly magnificent.

That’s on me for engage in this debate with a person who wants to tell people how to vote. But seriously, do you tell women what to do with their bodies?

For the stupid and/or willfully ignorant*














*again, we're talking about in the face of a Trump/MTG ticket. Wasting your vote in any other election is whatever to me. But after the January 6th hearings, if we end up with Trump as the Republican nominee, a vote for third party is, if not an equivalent vote for autocracy to voting for Trump directly, then at least a dereliction of duty in preventing him from succeeding. Joe Biden and/or *insert Democrat here* is not worse than losing democracy, and if it is to you, then your conscience is broken.

I voted 3rd party in 2020 and it netted me Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Spare us all the dramatics. If someone voted 3rd party then good on them, at least they took the time to do their civic duty.

Look, I said the horrible conditions contributed. But you keep denying the fact that a crucial piece tI the result was normal people splitting their vote among multiple parties. That’s a fact that cannot be denied. Given the same horrible conditions and 44% of the vote, Hitler gets nothing.

Then perhaps one of those other parties should have presented a better message than “we are going to start a world war, kill innocent children, women and men, and oh yeah, we are going to invade Russia in the winter.”

Massaging had more to do with Hitlers win than a 3rd through 5th party.

 

[MT15]

Then perhaps one of those other parties should have presented a better message than “we are going to start a world war, kill innocent children, women and men, and oh yeah, we are going to invade Russia in the winter.”

Okay, now I know you aren’t really being serious. You do realize Hitler didn’t run on that message, right? He ran on anti-semitism, fear-mongering Communism, and intense nationalism. But this is actually how he took power, from Wiki (so I know this is simplified):

‘In terms of Nazi political success, the year 1933 was pivotal. Traditionally, the leader of the party who held the most seats in the Reichstag was appointed Chancellor. However, President Paul von Hindenburg was hesitant to appoint Hitler as chancellor. Following several backroom negotiations—which included industrialists, Hindenburg's son, the former chancellor Franz von Papen, and Hitler—Hindenburg acquiesced and on 30 January 1933, he formally appointed Adolf Hitler as Germany's new chancellor. Although he was chancellor, Hitler was not yet an absolute dictator.

The groundwork for the Nazi dictatorship was laid when the Reichstag was set on fire in February. Believing the communists were behind the arson, Paul von Hindenburg passed the Reichstag Fire Decree, which severely curtailed the liberties and rights of German citizens. Using the decree, Hitler began eliminating his political opponents. In Hitler's eyes the decree was insufficient and he proposed the Enabling Act of 1933. This law gave the German government the power to override individual rights prescribed by the constitution. The law also gave the Chancellor (Hitler) emergency powers to pass and enforce laws without parliamentary oversight. By April, Hitler now held de facto dictatorial powers and ordered the construction of the first Nazi concentration camp at Dachau for communists and other political opponents. Hitler's rise to power was completed in August 1934 when President Paul von Hindenburg died. Hitler merged the Chancellorship with the Presidency and became the Führer of Germany.’