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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    When it comes to predicting midterm elections, it’s difficult to distinguish between insightful nonconformity and wishful thinking.
The conventional wisdom, well-rooted in history and data, suggests the Democrats should be toast this fall.

    But beware, say the dissenters, because 2022 is not a normal year, and it will not play out in a normal way.
The dissenters may be onto something, even if the case for a Republican sweep is strong.

    It starts with President Biden’s sour approval rating, running in the mid-30s or low 40s at best. An NPR-PBS NewsHour-Marist Poll released on July 20 had particularly bad news for Biden:

    While 43 percent strongly disapproved of him, only 11 percent strongly approved of him.
The public view of the economy is gloomy — and voters expect even worse. In a comprehensive study this month, Pew Research Center found that just 13 percent of Americans rated the economy as excellent or good — and since you’re probably wondering, only 1 percent actually picked “excellent.”

    Opinion is also moving quickly in a negative direction. As recently as January, 28 percent rated the economy positively.
Pew also found 47 percent saying the economy would be worse a year from now. Back in March 2021, only 31 percent thought the economy would deteriorate.


    If the polling seems lethal for Democrats, so does history. In midterms, voters often toss out vulnerable members of the incumbent party who swept in on earlier tides. Turnout for the party in power also typically drops off. Opposition voters tend to be more eager to cast ballots by way of sending a message of protest.

    Dissenters from the Midnight for Democrats view don’t disagree with most of this, but their case is rooted in a different and plausible claim:

    After the wild presidency of Donald Trump and the radicalization of the Republican Party, there’s reason to believe 2022 does not fit neatly into the old paradigms.


    Trump has not gone away. The Jan. 6 committee has brought his transgressions back to the center of discussion. One of his most important legacies is a very right-wing Supreme Court that has begun a radical demolition of long-standing understandings of the law on abortion, guns, environmental regulation and voting rights — with more to come.


    Tuesday’s primaries in Arizona, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri and Washington are a reminder of another factor working in the Democrats’ favor, particularly in key Senate races: GOP voters have picked a lot of very right-wing and thus highly vulnerable nominees.


    The result: If the public isn’t wild about Democrats, they like Republicans even less.

    That Pew survey found that 57 percent of Americans had an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party, but 61 percent had an unfavorable view of Republicans…….

     
    When it comes to predicting midterm elections, it’s difficult to distinguish between insightful nonconformity and wishful thinking.
The conventional wisdom, well-rooted in history and data, suggests the Democrats should be toast this fall.

    But beware, say the dissenters, because 2022 is not a normal year, and it will not play out in a normal way.
The dissenters may be onto something, even if the case for a Republican sweep is strong.

    It starts with President Biden’s sour approval rating, running in the mid-30s or low 40s at best. An NPR-PBS NewsHour-Marist Poll released on July 20 had particularly bad news for Biden:

    While 43 percent strongly disapproved of him, only 11 percent strongly approved of him.
The public view of the economy is gloomy — and voters expect even worse. In a comprehensive study this month, Pew Research Center found that just 13 percent of Americans rated the economy as excellent or good — and since you’re probably wondering, only 1 percent actually picked “excellent.”

    Opinion is also moving quickly in a negative direction. As recently as January, 28 percent rated the economy positively.
Pew also found 47 percent saying the economy would be worse a year from now. Back in March 2021, only 31 percent thought the economy would deteriorate.


    If the polling seems lethal for Democrats, so does history. In midterms, voters often toss out vulnerable members of the incumbent party who swept in on earlier tides. Turnout for the party in power also typically drops off. Opposition voters tend to be more eager to cast ballots by way of sending a message of protest.

    Dissenters from the Midnight for Democrats view don’t disagree with most of this, but their case is rooted in a different and plausible claim:

    After the wild presidency of Donald Trump and the radicalization of the Republican Party, there’s reason to believe 2022 does not fit neatly into the old paradigms.


    Trump has not gone away. The Jan. 6 committee has brought his transgressions back to the center of discussion. One of his most important legacies is a very right-wing Supreme Court that has begun a radical demolition of long-standing understandings of the law on abortion, guns, environmental regulation and voting rights — with more to come.


    Tuesday’s primaries in Arizona, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri and Washington are a reminder of another factor working in the Democrats’ favor, particularly in key Senate races: GOP voters have picked a lot of very right-wing and thus highly vulnerable nominees.


    The result: If the public isn’t wild about Democrats, they like Republicans even less.

    That Pew survey found that 57 percent of Americans had an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party, but 61 percent had an unfavorable view of Republicans…….

    Well if "57 % of Americans had an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party, but 61 percent had an unfavorable view of Republicans...."
    IF that is true....what about the Forward Party? Maybe 15% of voters will abandon the 2 major parties and switch to them. You know...just to send a message that they are disgusted with both of the usual 2 options.
     
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    Well if "57 % of Americans had an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party, but 61 percent had an unfavorable view of Republicans...."
    IF that is true....what about the Forward Party?
    Last winter and even in the Spring, some people were skeptical when I said I would not vote for Trump under any circumstances. Now I think everyone is finally convinced.
    If I stick w/ my declaration that I will not vote for Biden or any Democrat that replaces him....and if Trump is the nominee ( He better not be! ) or I end up deciding I'm not thrilled with Gov. DeSantis....then I have to vote for SOMEBODY.
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    TO ME....the important thing is not voting for someone who can win....or voting for the lesser of 2 evils. That is not my approach.
    I want to be able to look myself in the mirror and know I voted for a candidate who stands for things I stand for. So I'm open to see who will be representing "The Forward Party"...or an independent run by Joe Manchin. I'm open to other possibilities as well. No Trump. No Biden. That's firm.
     
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    Last winter and even in the Spring, some people were skeptical when I said I would not vote for Trump under any circumstances. Now I think everyone is finally convinced.
    If I stick w/ my declaration that I will not vote for Biden or any Democrat that replaces him....and if Trump is the nominee ( He better not be! ) or I end up deciding I'm not thrilled with Gov. DeSantis....then I have to vote for SOMEBODY.
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    TO ME....the important thing is not voting for someone who can win....or voting for the lesser of 2 evils. That is not my approach.
    I want to be able to look myself in the mirror and know I voted for a candidate who stands for things I stand for. So I'm open to see who will be representing "The Forward Party"...or an independent run by Joe Manchin. I'm open to other possibilities as well. No Trump. No Biden. That's firm.
    be careful, you'll be labeld as Woke.....
     
    Forgive the pun, but it does seem like it takes an act of Congress to fire a Federal employee no matter what they've done or been accused of or how incompetent they are

    But everyone is right to be extremely skeptical and suspicious of this bill
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    U.S. Rep. Chip Roy's introduction Friday of a bill to make federal bureaucratic personnel at-will employees further stoked fears that marginalized workers will suffer discriminatory firings under a future Republican administration or even GOP-controlled Congress.

    The Public Service Reform Act "will empower federal agencies to swiftly address misconduct and remove underperforming or ill-willed employees, creating a federal workforce focused on service to the American people," Roy, R-Texas, said in a statement.

    The bill "would make all federal bureaucrats at-will employees—just like private sector workers—and claw back the inordinate protections some federal employees grossly abuse," he added.

    The proposed legislation comes a week after reports that aides to former President Donald Trump are working to revive a plan to reclassify federal civil service personnel who worked under both Democratic and Republican administrations as at-will workers subject to easier termination.

    Don Kettl, professor emeritus and former dean of the University of Maryland School of Public Policy, told Government Executive that "this is obviously a huge and major change, an effort to gear up a major assault on the federal employment system" that "is being helped and aided unquestionably by a set of groups like America First Works, Heritage Action for America, FreedomWorks, and Citizens for Renewing America, who have endorsed the bill."

    "Much of the debate has largely been about if Trump is reelected," he added, "but what this makes clear is the efforts to try to change the civil service aren't just Trump necessarily, and if Republicans take control of Congress following the midterms, this may very well go from idea to specific action."

    According to Government Executive:

    Although the bill stands nearly zero chance of passing in the current Congress, experts say that it, combined with recent news that conservative political operatives with Trump's endorsement have devised plans to revive Schedule F, a proposal to strip the civil service protections from tens of thousands of federal employees in "policy-related" positions, indicates the civil service system as we have known it for the last 150 years will be under attack under the next Republican administration.
    Although Roy says his bill "will provide justice to federal employees who are victims of discrimination or whistleblower retaliation," Kettl warned that the measure "dramatically limits the amount of whistleblowing activity that's possible," noting that "it creates a disincentive to blow the whistle because your retirement benefits could be reduced."

    "When you put it together," he added, "it's a very big deal" and "would dramatically change the incentives for individuals who are being dismissed because of whistleblowing.".............

     
    Now they will both claim they are the Eric that was endorsed:

     
    Jon Stewart WENT OFF, as he should have... seriously, eff the gop reason #1,776... (profanity in the vid)


    I don't want to laugh at this, because he's 100% on point, but the two big guys behind him trying to stay serious finally cracking did make me giggle a bit.

    But man, this type of crap upsets me so much.
     
    Forgive the pun, but it does seem like it takes an act of Congress to fire a Federal employee no matter what they've done or been accused of or how incompetent they are

    But everyone is right to be extremely skeptical and suspicious of this bill
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    U.S. Rep. Chip Roy's introduction Friday of a bill to make federal bureaucratic personnel at-will employees further stoked fears that marginalized workers will suffer discriminatory firings under a future Republican administration or even GOP-controlled Congress.

    The Public Service Reform Act "will empower federal agencies to swiftly address misconduct and remove underperforming or ill-willed employees, creating a federal workforce focused on service to the American people," Roy, R-Texas, said in a statement.

    The bill "would make all federal bureaucrats at-will employees—just like private sector workers—and claw back the inordinate protections some federal employees grossly abuse," he added.

    The proposed legislation comes a week after reports that aides to former President Donald Trump are working to revive a plan to reclassify federal civil service personnel who worked under both Democratic and Republican administrations as at-will workers subject to easier termination.

    Don Kettl, professor emeritus and former dean of the University of Maryland School of Public Policy, told Government Executive that "this is obviously a huge and major change, an effort to gear up a major assault on the federal employment system" that "is being helped and aided unquestionably by a set of groups like America First Works, Heritage Action for America, FreedomWorks, and Citizens for Renewing America, who have endorsed the bill."

    "Much of the debate has largely been about if Trump is reelected," he added, "but what this makes clear is the efforts to try to change the civil service aren't just Trump necessarily, and if Republicans take control of Congress following the midterms, this may very well go from idea to specific action."

    According to Government Executive:


    Although Roy says his bill "will provide justice to federal employees who are victims of discrimination or whistleblower retaliation," Kettl warned that the measure "dramatically limits the amount of whistleblowing activity that's possible," noting that "it creates a disincentive to blow the whistle because your retirement benefits could be reduced."

    "When you put it together," he added, "it's a very big deal" and "would dramatically change the incentives for individuals who are being dismissed because of whistleblowing.".............

    Fork that.
     
    In his forced (and, he hopes, temporary) retirement, defeated former president Donald Trump has come up with a new undertaking. He’s undertaking.


    Technically, his Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., is now acting as a “cemetery company.” (Suggested slogan: “People are dying to get into Bedminster!”)

    And he has already landed his first occupant: He just buried his late ex-wife, Ivana Trump, right near the first tee.


    Photos published by the New York Post on Sunday show a lone grave at the edge of a field with some yellowed grass around it, a clump of white flowers on the freshly turned earth and a flat stone marker with a less-than-effusive epitaph: “IVANA TRUMP, February 20, 1949 - July 14, 2022.” She died last month of an apparent fall.

    The former president has shown little interest in conventional post-presidency pursuits, such as building a presidential library; he’s not much for reading, and he’s trying to hide his presidential papers, not display them.

    But why would he bury himself in, of all things, the interment trade?


    Simple: He has seemingly turned his late ex-wife (and his oldest kids have turned their late mother) into a tax dodge. Dartmouth professor Brooke Harrington, a specialist in tax optimization, checked the New Jersey tax code and reported that operating a cemetery at the Trump National offers “a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income & sales tax, all eliminated.” She tweeted that it “looks like one corpse will suffice to make at least 3 forms of tax vanish.”…….

     
    This is a dangerous bill. It would put the entire federal government into a patronage situation. Imagine the chaos if every federal agency totally changed over with each administration change? It’s a cynical way to dismantle government.
    Yeah, if you want to dismantle the federal government, that's the first step. I guess this is the outcome when you elect idiots to Congress.
     
    That would be quite a ticket
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    Republican Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene has publicly come out in support of the notion that she could hitch a ride on Donald Trump’s potential bid for the presidency in 2024, stating that she’d be “honoured” to run alongside him as his vice-president.

    “I think if he asked me I would definitely give that some strong consideration,” she said when asked by hosts during an interview on America’s Real Voice last week whether she’d be interested in being the twice-impeached president’s running mate……

     
    That would be quite a ticket
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    Republican Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene has publicly come out in support of the notion that she could hitch a ride on Donald Trump’s potential bid for the presidency in 2024, stating that she’d be “honoured” to run alongside him as his vice-president.

    “I think if he asked me I would definitely give that some strong consideration,” she said when asked by hosts during an interview on America’s Real Voice last week whether she’d be interested in being the twice-impeached president’s running mate……

    “…give that some strong consideration” bullschlitz. She’d attach herself to his azz like a lamprey in a heartbeat.
     
    That would be quite a ticket
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    Republican Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene has publicly come out in support of the notion that she could hitch a ride on Donald Trump’s potential bid for the presidency in 2024, stating that she’d be “honoured” to run alongside him as his vice-president.

    “I think if he asked me I would definitely give that some strong consideration,” she said when asked by hosts during an interview on America’s Real Voice last week whether she’d be interested in being the twice-impeached president’s running mate……

    If the Republicans ran Trump and MGT I would once again happily vote 3rd party. There is little moving me off of voting 3rd party at this point, but a Trump/MGT ticket would definitely keep me away like the plague.
     
    “…give that some strong consideration” bullschlitz. She’d attach herself to his azz like a lamprey in a heartbeat.

    Of all the reasons MTG as running mate is a terrible idea the main reason it won't happen is that she's just as big an attention whore as Trump is and sharing the spotlight isn't really his thing
     
    If the Republicans ran Trump and MGT I would once again happily vote 3rd party. There is little moving me off of voting 3rd party at this point, but a Trump/MGT ticket would definitely keep me away like the plague.
    Voting 3rd party might as well be voting for Trump unless Biden doesn't run again. I think Biden would lose to Trump this time around. I'm voting Democrat even though I'm not one. I'm not interested in giving Trump a second term.
     

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