What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[zztop]

trump created something that won't go away any time soon

In Colorado and elsewhere, 2020 election deniers seek top voting offices

Tina Peters, an election official in western Colorado, has been indicted for election tampering and barred by a judge from overseeing voting in her home county this year.

www.reuters.com

There are 23 election deniers running in 17 states for secretary of state, typically a state's top election official, according to a tracker maintained by States United Action, a nonprofit advocacy group.

The races – once low-profile – have drawn intense attention and huge fundraising totals following the 2020 election, when Trump and his allies sought unsuccessfully to alter the results in several key states.

The candidates' rhetoric has alarmed good government advocacy groups, who warn the 2024 presidential election could trigger a constitutional crisis if certain states refuse to certify the results.


edit: one lost... I guess 22 more to go

GOP Election Denier Tina Peters Loses Colorado Secretary Of State Primary

The Mesa County clerk who was under indictment for tampering with voting machines lost to a Republican who acknowledged the 2020 vote was legitimate.

www.huffpost.com

 

[DaveXA]

Just totally unhinged:

Unhinged is right. Ugh.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Shouldn't she be wearing a burka with that attitude?

 

[DaveXA]

Shouldn't she be wearing a burka with that attitude?

Or a habit. Yeah.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

This testimony clip among many is maybe the most important. Cassidy Hutchinson really carefully and in a detailed way explained what took place as the rioters were approaching and then breaching the Capital. She was at Chief of Staff Mark Meadow's side as this was unfolding. It is certainly revealing stuff!
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[SteveSBrickNJ]

This testimony clip among many is maybe the most important. Cassidy Hutchinson really carefully and in a detailed way explained what took place as the rioters were approaching and then breaching the Capital. She was at Chief of Staff Mark Meadow's side as this was unfolding. It is certainly revealing stuff!
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We all know that I've been against Trump in a firm way since Putin dared to invade his independent neighbor and Trump had no words of condemnation for Putin.
After seeing this video clip I've shared with you I thought to myself: "Even Trump's base...IF they sat quietly and watched this...they would turn against him". That's what I thought.
Yet when I tested it out on someone I've known for years.....and I watched this person give the video their full attention....at the end this individual explained that "The people testifying against him are just looking out for themselves. They should be loyal like Rudy Giuliani."
Wow! That's scary that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony did not change this person's viewpoint!

 

[brandon]

We all know that I've been against Trump in a firm way since Putin dared to invade his independent neighbor and Trump had no words of condemnation for Putin.
After seeing this video clip I've shared with you I thought to myself: "Even Trump's base...IF they sat quietly and watched this...they would turn against him". That's what I thought.
Yet when I tested it out on someone I've known for years.....and I watched this person give the video their full attention....at the end this individual explained that "The people testifying against him are just looking out for themselves. They should be loyal like Rudy Giuliani."
Wow! That's scary that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony did not change this person's viewpoint!

So when Trump wins the primary, we can count on your vote for Biden?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

So when Trump wins the primary, we can count on your vote for Biden?

See Post #1968

Biden Tracker

For all the things related to the Biden/Harris Administration and their latest hits and misseshttps://www.dailywire.com/news/white-house-suspends-deputy-press-secretary-for-allegedly-sexually-harassing-threatening-reporterInteresting story, looks like 'only the best people' didn't stop with...

madaboutpolitics.com

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Even Democrats will not vote for Biden.
There will be no Biden or Trump as the ultimate Nov. 2024 candidates.

 

[DaveXA]

So when Trump wins the primary, we can count on your vote for Biden?

I'll just say if it's between Trump and Biden, Biden is the easy choice. But really, I'd rather a younger Democrat. Heck, I'm no fan of AOC, but I'd vote for her, lol.

 

[MT15]

See Post #1968

Biden Tracker

For all the things related to the Biden/Harris Administration and their latest hits and misseshttps://www.dailywire.com/news/white-house-suspends-deputy-press-secretary-for-allegedly-sexually-harassing-threatening-reporterInteresting story, looks like 'only the best people' didn't stop with...

madaboutpolitics.com

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Even Democrats will not vote for Biden.
There will be no Biden or Trump as the ultimate Nov. 2024 candidates.

Nice dodge. Democrats would vote for Biden again in a heartbeat against Trump. Would you?

 

[brandon]

See Post #1968

Biden Tracker

For all the things related to the Biden/Harris Administration and their latest hits and misseshttps://www.dailywire.com/news/white-house-suspends-deputy-press-secretary-for-allegedly-sexually-harassing-threatening-reporterInteresting story, looks like 'only the best people' didn't stop with...

madaboutpolitics.com

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Even Democrats will not vote for Biden.
There will be no Biden or Trump as the ultimate Nov. 2024 candidates.

Ok, let’s try it this way.

Knowing what you know now, would you have voted for Biden in 2020 instead of Trump?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Ok, let’s try it this way.

Knowing what you know now, would you have voted for Biden in 2020 instead of Trump?

No. I would have voted for a third party candidate. It is more important to me who I don't vote for than who I do vote for. My vote FOR a candidate will not swing an election one way or another. Yet IF I vote for a candidate that is unacceptable to me just so "the lesser of 2 evils has a better chance of winning"...then I lose my right to complain about that person because others will say: "Well YOU voted for Biden....or YOU voted for Trump...so... It's your own fault".
Nov. 2024 if I am wrong and it is Trump vs Biden I will vote for a third party candidate.
Trump and Biden are both unacceptable to me. Yet in Nov. of 2024 Trump should be hiding in shame...not on any ballot. Biden should be playing golf and looking forward to turning 83...then 84, etc.
I don't know why anyone cares about who I will vote for.
I am unimportant. The important thing is...who will the GOP put on the ballot in Nov. of 2024?
Who will the Dems put on the ballot in Nov. of 2024? Let's focus on that. Who cares about Steve. This morning's Google search said as of the 2020 census our country has 329.5 million people. NJ's vote (my state) will go to the Democrat as long as it is not Biden. If the Dems are foolish enough to have Biden on the ballot, then the GOP nominee has a chance.
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@brandon Over an hour ago I gave you a short answer because I had stuff to do.
I've revised / expanded my response here.

 

[brandon]

No. I would have voted for a third party candidate.
Nov. 2024 if I am wrong and it is Trump vs Biden i will vote for a third party candidate.
Trump and Biden are both unacceptable to me.
I don't know why anyone cares about who I will vote for.
I am unimportant.

You might be unimportant, but your vote isn't.

I get people going the third-party candidate route in 2016 - Hillary was unpalatable for a lot of people. She had a lot of baggage, and we didn't know everything about Trump that we do now.

But in 2020, Biden just didn't have the baggage that Hillary did. He wasn't an extreme leftist that you could disagree with on those grounds, like a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. He was simply a solid center-left politician with a good track record. But MAYBE you could get away with voting third party if you just really don't like Democrats, though the argument is much weaker in 2020 than in 2016.

But in 2024, if the vote is between Biden and Trump and you vote third party? That's a dereliction of duty as an American to save the country. If Trump is the candidate in 2024, there is nothing more important than making sure he isn't elected. Literally nothing. Yea, the economy sucks. So what? We're talking about the future of American democracy right now, and voting for a third party just tips the scales in favor of Trump.

 

[el caliente]

I'll just say if it's between Trump and Biden, Biden is the easy choice. But really, I'd rather a younger Democrat. Heck, I'm no fan of AOC, but I'd vote for her, lol.

Ditto (to an extent). If those are the two popular options I will go 3rd party again. Neither of those clowns represent me.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

You might be unimportant, but your vote isn't.

I get people going the third-party candidate route in 2016 - Hillary was unpalatable for a lot of people. She had a lot of baggage, and we didn't know everything about Trump that we do now.

But in 2020, Biden just didn't have the baggage that Hillary did. He wasn't an extreme leftist that you could disagree with on those grounds, like a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. He was simply a solid center-left politician with a good track record. But MAYBE you could get away with voting third party if you just really don't like Democrats, though the argument is much weaker in 2020 than in 2016.

But in 2024, if the vote is between Biden and Trump and you vote third party? That's a dereliction of duty as an American to save the country. If Trump is the candidate in 2024, there is nothing more important than making sure he isn't elected. Literally nothing. Yea, the economy sucks. So what? We're talking about the future of American democracy right now, and voting for a third party just tips the scales in favor of Trump.

Read my expanded reply please. Post # 2928. I put an @ with your user name.

 

[brandon]

Read my expanded reply please. I put an @ with your user name.

Thanks for the additional insight, but I disagree with the portion below:

IF I vote for a candidate that is unacceptable to me just so "the lesser of 2 evils has a better chance of winning"...then I lose my right to complain about that person because others will say: "Well YOU voted for Biden....or YOU voted for Trump...so... It's your own fault".

I MIGHT be able to get behind this take if the stakes weren't so high. But we're literally talking about the future of democracy here. It's not your standard "lesser of two evils" situation, where we're debating the finer points of future tax cuts versus health care options.

Let me ask you this. You say Biden is too old. He's also definitely got some economic baggage unless there's a massive turnaround before the election. But let's say he isn't the nominee. Is there ANY democrat you would vote for over Trump? If not, I need you to explain why.

There's real potential that we're talking about the end of the United States as we know it. A vote for anyone other than the Democrat in a 2024 Trump vs. ANY Democrat election is a vote against the future of American democracy.

Also, I voted for GWB twice, but was absolutely complaining about him by the end of his second term. I voted for Biden, but I also have no qualms with saying that the economy on his watch is pretty terrible (there are certainly caveats to that conversation, but I certainly don't think the economy is better right now than it was before he took office).

You don't cede your right to complain about someone's performance just because you were the one who selected him. People get fired at work all the time by the people who hired them. Sometimes a new hire doesn't pan out. Sometimes a new hire ends up slacking off. Either way, you don't lose the right to address the situation just because you were the one who selected him or her.

If Biden runs against Trump, I maintain that the only vote in support of the United States of America is one for Biden.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Thanks for the additional insight, but I disagree with the portion below:



I MIGHT be able to get behind this take if the stakes weren't so high. But we're literally talking about the future of democracy here. It's not your standard "lesser of two evils" situation, where we're debating the finer points of future tax cuts versus health care options.

Let me ask you this. You say Biden is too old. He's also definitely got some economic baggage unless there's a massive turnaround before the election. But let's say he isn't the nominee. Is there ANY democrat you would vote for over Trump? If not, I need you to explain why.

There's real potential that we're talking about the end of the United States as we know it. A vote for anyone other than the Democrat in a 2024 Trump vs. ANY Democrat election is a vote against the future of American democracy.

Also, I voted for GWB twice, but was absolutely complaining about him by the end of his second term. I voted for Biden, but I also have no qualms with saying that the economy on his watch is pretty terrible (there are certainly caveats to that conversation, but I certainly don't think the economy is better right now than it was before he took office).

You don't cede your right to complain about someone's performance just because you were the one who selected him. People get fired at work all the time by the people who hired them. Sometimes a new hire doesn't pan out. Sometimes a new hire ends up slacking off. Either way, you don't lose the right to address the situation just because you were the one who selected him or her.

If Biden runs against Trump, I maintain that the only vote in support of the United States of America is one for Biden.

I will answer the question you posed re. Is there ANY Democrat you would vote for if Trump was the 2024 nominee? (which he WON'T be)
But just to make you happy....even though MY vote is irrelevant....YES. If Joe Manchin, Tulsi Gabbard or someone similar to those 2 individuals were the DEM Nominee, then "Yes" I would vote for them. But NOT Elizabeth Warren. Not AOC. Not, not, not for thousands of Dems. Not!
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Can we get the focus off of me now please?
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[brandon]

I will answer the question you posed re. Is there ANY Democrat you would vote for if Trump was the 2024 nominee? (which he WON'T be)
But just to make you happy....even though MY vote is irrelevant....YES. If Joe Manchin, Tulsi Gabbard or someone similar to those 2 individuals were the DEM Nominee, then "Yes" I would vote for them. But NOT Elizabeth Warren. Not AOC. Not, not, not for thousands of Dems. Not!
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Can we get the focus off of me now please?

The prosecution rests, your honor.