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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    I just saw a tweet that Utah Democrats have decided not to put up a candidate for Mike Lee’s Senate seat. They are throwing their support behind Evan McMullin, who is running as an independent. I think this is a smart move. We need to get insurrectionists voted out.
     
    MT15 said:
    I just saw a tweet that Utah Democrats have decided not to put up a candidate for Mike Lee’s Senate seat. They are throwing their support behind Evan McMullin, who is running as an independent. I think this is a smart move. We need to get insurrectionists voted out.
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    I've been following the politics out there for a while and McMullin is an interesting candidate. While the Utah GOP establishment and Mike Lee are unabashed Trumpkins, there are a lot of Republican voters in Utah who don't like Trump.

    How this shapes out is anyone's guess. I'm sure McMullin is Republican in every way that counts (other than being a Trumpkin) so you wonder if Utah Democrats would go to the polls and vote for someone that is pro-life, pro-guns, etc. And, of course, you are going to have Trump and heavy GOP attack ads basically painting McMullin as a de facto Democrat regardless of his positions. This will be an interesting litmus to see if voters -- at least those in Utah -- are willing to vote for policy over allegiance to Trump.
     
    I see it as proof that democrats in Utah are willing to put their country over their party, something that almost zero republicans have decided to do. They (at least the state Democratic Party) are willing to pave the way for a sane (former R) candidate in hopes of removing a sitting senator who backed Trump wholeheartedly and was willing to try to subvert an American election to do so.

    The Trump Rs have tasted authoritarian power. And they won’t let go of it, even if Trump never wins another election. Lots of people who are (or were) Republican see the danger.

     
    MT15 said:
    I see it as proof that democrats in Utah are willing to put their country over their party, something that almost zero republicans have decided to do. They (at least the state Democratic Party) are willing to pave the way for a sane (former R) candidate in hopes of removing a sitting senator who backed Trump wholeheartedly and was willing to try to subvert an American election to do so.
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    Keep in mind this process wasn't exactly smooth. There was a lot of hostile feelings expressed at the Utah Democratic Convention and it wasn't necessarily an overwhelming endorsement of McMullin. And while McMullin did get 21% of the 2016 Presidential election vote in Utah, I'm sure many of those Republicans that voted for him then knew in the back of their minds it was a safe vote because Hillary would never overtake Trump in a heavily red state.

    Here there will be no equivocation that the contest is between Lee and McMullin. And it's for a national office with national implications (i.e. not like John Bel Edwards, a pro life Democrat being governor of Louisiana) where control of the Senate could be on the line. However, if successful, hopefully it will cause the Democrats to wake up and adopt similar strategies in states where the Democratic candidate has no hope of winning. In the short term it is vital to help those who still represent the sane wing of the GOP to reclaim the party.
     
    Article on how any claims that Trumps hold on the GOP is weakening is a myth
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    ..............Many of the same voices also announce that Trump's hold on the Republican-fascist Party and movement is weakening because of diminished attendance at his rallies, or because of rumors and "revelations" about internal resistance surrounding Trump's coup plot of Jan. 6, 2021.

    Those are significant details and facts, but they do not override the basic reality that Trump continues to be the leader of the Republican Party and the larger neofascist movement.

    He received millions more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016, and until he decides otherwise he is the presumptive 2024 Republican presidential nominee.

    Republican voters and right-leaning independents continue to view Trump and what he represents as the identity and brand name of today's Republican Party and "conservative" movement. Moreover, the 2024 election is more than two years away and traditional barometers of Trump's popularity cannot be seen as reliably predictive.

    Maybe the media's worst misreading is the claim that Trump led the Republican Party astray. In fact, he set it free — to follow its worst impulses.
    But those questions pale compared to the grandest misreading of all: the claim that Trump and Trumpism led the Republican Party astray from its core values, and by doing so "sabotaged" it.

    Reality is quite different: Trump and his neofascist right-wing populist movement set modern-day Republican leaders and voters free to embrace their antisocial, anti-human, anti-democratic, reactionary, racist, sexist, plutocratic, theocratic, conspiracist, anti-intellectual and anti-rational values and beliefs.

    Trumpism was not suddenly born ex nihilo in 2015; it has been at least 30 years in the making...............

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    GOP: Cancel culture is terrible unless we’re the ones doing the canceling
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    Its crazy that the Florida people are cheering to absorb $1 Billion Dollars of debt to prove a point..
    Disney won't lose a penny because any expense they take on, will be passed on to the consumer.
    I have no doubt once they realize what they did, they will roll back this legislation against Disney, make a few tiny Tweeks to limit a few things Disney can do, and still call it a "win"..lol
    The first thing that wil hurt the Fla GOP is the lack of Disney money hitting their campaign accounts..

    Did Disney not even fight this move by DeSantis? Were they like do it, it helps us more in the long run.. Now you can pay for the Roads, Fire Dept, Police Dept, etc, that we have been paying for..
     
    The problems this causes for Disney aren’t inconsequential however.

    The biggest change imo will be the permitting for construction. Good luck getting the Imagineers’ designs reviewed. Will they have to go in front of the development board to build over 12’? Also, their wastewater; they treat and operate their own plant. Now that that system is part of the city infrastructure, who runs it? And they probably have a city ordinance requiring equal services. Disney’s plant is almost assuredly at a higher standard meaning the county may be forced to upgrade their utilities or change their charter to allow for unequal services. Either solution causes new problems. They also employ their own health inspectors. That will now fall on the local office.

    Basically that was a lot to say that they just ground their city building and planning department to a halt now that they have to accept all of the incoming from that facility. They quite literally just added a subdivision onto their grid with now taxes to cover it.
     
    I don’t know - I think that this might come back to bite DeSantis and the legislature. Just take a while to do so, unless they go back and repeal it before next summer.

    One big way is if Disney quits funding the Rs who voted for this, another is if the state has to enact additional taxes, outside of the two main counties. Another way is if this act gets taken to court, the state will have to spend defending it and since the Rs came out and said this was a direct retaliation against Disney for expressing their opinion, there could be a First Amendment issue here. Another is that there are a lot of these business districts throughout FL, and changing all of them is probably going to be chaotic and hurt basic services in multiple places.

    yeah, the rabid base will not care, but they are a minority in the state. Democrats and independents will know exactly who is responsible for this mess. An unnecessary, hateful mess that hurts everyone.
     
    CoolBrees said:
    The problems this causes for Disney aren’t inconsequential however.

    The biggest change imo will be the permitting for construction. Good luck getting the Imagineers’ designs reviewed. Will they have to go in front of the development board to build over 12’? Also, their wastewater; they treat and operate their own plant. Now that that system is part of the city infrastructure, who runs it? And they probably have a city ordinance requiring equal services. Disney’s plant is almost assuredly at a higher standard meaning the county may be forced to upgrade their utilities or change their charter to allow for unequal services. Either solution causes new problems. They also employ their own health inspectors. That will now fall on the local office.

    Basically that was a lot to say that they just ground their city building and planning department to a halt now that they have to accept all of the incoming from that facility. They quite literally just added a subdivision onto their grid with now taxes to cover it.
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    yeah I kind of mentioned this earlier. Disney will be punished by having to slog through red tape. In the past they managed their own (from what I understand was highly efficient at it too).
     
    Good read. The “silent majority” needs to be renamed

    This is crossing into “chicken shirt cowards” territory
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    “First off, folks, let me be very clear tonight. The election in 2020 was rigged and stolen.”


    That baldfaced lie was former senator David Perdue’s opening line Sunday in a primary debate against the fellow Republican whose job he is trying to take, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp.

    The shocking thing about this falsehood is that nobody should be particularly shocked. It would have been more surprising if Perdue had told the truth.


    The GOP has made clear that it intends to run a “post-truth” campaign in the November elections. No Republican who goes along with this abominable strategy — no Republican who doesn’t publicly denounce it — deserves your vote. Not a single one of them.

    It is no exaggeration to say that what the onetime Party of Lincoln is doing constitutes a dire threat to the very idea of democracy. A contest between liberal and conservative philosophies is healthy.

    An asymmetrical clash between one party grappling with nuanced reality and another party deliberately spewing paranoid fiction is dangerously corrosive to the fabric of the nation.


    If the warp of our differences is no longer held together by the weft of an agreed-upon chronicle of events and a bipartisan encyclopedia of facts, there is no basis for meaningful political discourse. We can only speak past, not to, one another.


    It must be acknowledged, because it is the simple truth, that this is not a “both-sides-are-to-blame” crisis. The Democratic Party is engaged in politics as usual, with the customary pull and tug between its progressive and centrist wings. The GOP has gone rogue in a way that is un-American and without modern precedent.

    Republicans tolerated Donald Trump’s lies for years. But this tendency to excuse mendacity shifted from bad habit to mortal sin with the party’s embrace of that “big lie” about the election Trump lost to Joe Biden.

    Perdue was especially brazen in the way he trumpeted the proven falsehood. But no less guilty are the many other Republicans who perpetuate it by mumbling about “irregularities” in the 2020 vote — or by remaining silent.

    Their complicity in the lie is not excused by the fact that Trump will try his best to end their careers if they dare speak the truth.

    They know the difference between right and wrong, and they are opting for personal gain over public service.

    They should be ashamed of themselves…….



     
    On McCarthy
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    The Great Prevaricator stood on the banks of the Rio Grande and released a mighty river of deceit.


    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, in a news conference Monday afternoon with fellow Republican lawmakers at the southern border and in a separate interview with Fox News, misrepresented the source of illicit fentanyl.

    He grossly distorted a description of phones the federal government is using to track immigrants who crossed the border illegally. He teased the dubious notion that Democrats somehow obtained and leaked the audio of a private meeting he had with fellow Republican leaders.


    And then there was this showstopper: He dissembled about his own lie.

    First, he claimed he wasn’t lying when he falsely denied a New York Times report that he had told colleagues after the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection that he would advise President Donald Trump to resign. He suggested he misunderstood the question.


    Yet McCarthy then appeared, in his garbled syntax, to repeat the original lie that he never told colleagues he planned to ask Trump to resign: “If you’re asking now, ‘Did I tell my members that we’re going to ask?’ Ask them if I told any of them that I said to President Trump. The answer is no.” (According to the audio recording of that meeting, McCarthy in fact said he was “seriously thinking” of telling Trump “it would be my recommendation you should resign.”)

    Telling a baldfaced lie, particularly one of such magnitude, is a sign of low character.

    But repeating the very same lie just seconds after explaining you hadn’t told the lie in the first place is a sign of low brain activity.

    Alas, this may well be the next speaker of the House……..


     
    Fl guy doubling down on the false narrative

    www.politico.com

    DeSantis signs bill creating one of the nation’s only election police units

    The measure was watered down from one that initially had local election officials warning it was a “recipe for disaster.”
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    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday approved the creation of a new stand-alone election police force designed to crack down on voter fraud in the nation’s third-largest state
     
    zztop said:
    Fl guy doubling down on the false narrative

    www.politico.com

    DeSantis signs bill creating one of the nation’s only election police units

    The measure was watered down from one that initially had local election officials warning it was a “recipe for disaster.”
    www.politico.com www.politico.com

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday approved the creation of a new stand-alone election police force designed to crack down on voter fraud in the nation’s third-largest state
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    They gonna shut that down quick once they realize R's are the ones who are committing most of the fraud..
     

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