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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    Kerry Won Ohio said:
    Except his "blind spots" have prevented millions of Americans from benefiting from the BBB bill, because he is a selfish butt crevasse.

    Which is unforgiveable in my book.
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    Well, I thought the BBB was a mixed bag. I was somewhat ambivalent on that, so that didn't bother me that much. I think it would have helped some people and not helped others. But that's a whole other debate. I think he's been on the right side of most issues, so I like him as a Democrat who doesn't always tow the party line. For some of the same reasons, I like Larry Hogan. For a Republican governor, he's done a lot of good work.
     
    DaveXA said:
    I think he's been on the right side of most issues
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    hmm you sure about that?

    www.msnbc.com

    Opinion | Thanks to Joe Manchin, millions of families are suffering in poverty

    The loss of Biden’s expansion of the child tax credit has meant an increase in child poverty by something like 41 percent.
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    child poverty fell to just 12 percent — both the lowest figure in American history and even still an understatement of the benefits, because many families were pulled up from deep poverty without making it over the poverty line. Such people benefited much, much more than those who were already nearly out of poverty and got nudged over it.

    Manchin reportedly hated this particular part of the Biden child tax credit, telling colleagues that recipients would spend the money on drugs instead of child care.

    edit: an article on how it effected some from WV:

    www.theguardian.com

    West Virginians scramble to get by after Manchin kills child tax credits

    Without those monthly checks 50,000 children in the state the centrist senator represents could sink into deep poverty
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    Ninety-three per cent of West Virginia children – about 346,000 in all – qualified for the credit payments. That extra $250 to $300 per child a month lifted about 50,000 of those children above the poverty line, according to the West Virginia Center for Budget and Policy (WVCBP).
     
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    Article on Vance’s 180, one that rivals Ted Cruz’s
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    DELAWARE, Ohio — It is a measure of the sad state of our politics today that Donald Trump endorsed a Republican candidate for Senate in Ohio who just a few years ago described the former president as noxious and reprehensible.

    Since 2018, that candidate has gone out of his way to embrace everything Trump stands for. And now, J.D. Vance has good reason to think his U-turn has been worth it.

    Vance, whose best-selling memoir, “Hillbilly Elegy,” became a Netflix movie and made him a star, might now be on a path to win next Tuesday’s Republican primary in Ohio and join the U.S. Senate next year.

    When Trump called Vance onstage at the Delaware County fairgrounds in Ohio on Saturday night, he paid him the highest possible compliment, pointing to negative coverage in The Post and the New York Times, as well as on CNN and MSNBC, as evidence that Vance must have great ideas.

    Sketching out a Vance win, Trump told the crowd, “You have to imagine all of the liberal tears that will be cried.” At that moment, Vance’s transition was complete.

    It certainly appeared unlikely three months ago when Vance pollster Tony Fabrizio, who also works for Trump, found him mired in the single digits in a six-way race.

    That was partly because Vance’s opponents had spent millions sharing footage of him criticizing Trump during the 2016 campaign.

    In those days, Vance was the toast of coastal cocktail parties, where liberals saw “Hillbilly Elegy” as a Rosetta Stone to understand Trump’s appeal in flyover country.

    Vance likened Trump to the opioids ravaging the Rust Belt (“cultural heroin”), warned that he was “leading the white working class to a very dark place” and described Trump’s policies as ranging “from immoral to absurd.”……..

     
    This is the question I keep asking because there isn't a good answer for it. It just feels like all that Republicans are voting for is to destroy and destabilize our government and country. They're so bitter and angry about everything, that's all they want.

    But in this year’s Republican primaries, things have truly gone off the rails. And this raises an important question: What exactly do Republican voters think they’re going to get from the collection of clowns they’re nominating for office this year?
    Let’s take a brief tour:
    • Georgia: While Gov. Brian Kemp looks to be holding off a primary challenge from former senator David Perdue, whose entire case is that Kemp failed to steal the 2020 election, the story is quite different on the rest of the ballot. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger is in a neck-and-neck race with another Trump lickspittle, Rep. Jody Hice. Herschel Walker, a walking collection of scandals whose deep thoughts about policy start and end with his football career decades ago, will almost undoubtedly be the party’s nominee for Senate.
    • Arizona: The likely gubernatorial candidate, Kari Lake, is an election denialist who has proposed imprisoning the leading Democrat, who is currently secretary of state. The Republican who might take that office and run the state’s elections, Mark Finchem, is a QAnon conspiracy theorist and self-proclaimed member of the far-right Oath Keepers.
    • Pennsylvania: A leading candidate for governor, Doug Mastriano, recently appeared at a QAnon-style gathering at which the “global satanic blood cult” was explored. The organizers presented Mastriano with a sword, which he accepted with the words “Oh yeah.” A recent debate among GOP Senate candidates featured so much embarrassing praise for Trump that it was a wonder none stopped the proceedings to get Trump’s name tattooed across their chest.
    • Ohio: In the Senate race, Trump endorsed author J.D. Vance, who recently said that if Trump becomes president again after 2024, he should “Fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state" and “replace them with our people.” So he envisions some kind of authoritarian coup? He says that to accomplish the right’s goals, “we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there.” With Trump’s endorsement, Vance has vaulted to the head of the field.
    • Wisconsin: Republicans there are still investigating the 2020 election despite turning up nothing; their probe was scheduled to end, but after Trump threatened the speaker of the assembly with a primary challenge, he quickly announced that it would continue.
    • Michigan: Republicans just chose Matt DePerno and Kristina Karamo as nominees for attorney general and secretary of state. Both are vigorous election deniers, and Karamo has identified Beyoncé́, Cardi B, Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish, and the practice of yoga as tools of satanic influence in America today.
    All this creates a deranged atmosphere, in which the looniest candidates rise to the top and extremism prevails.

    Some of these candidates will probably lose. Indeed, Democrats’ hopes of holding the Senate are based largely on the possibility that a few of them will do or say things that make them unpalatable in the general election.

    But some of them will probably win. What then?
    Try to imagine Vance or Walker serving in the Senate. What will they do with themselves? The idea that they’ll be carefully analyzing national challenges and writing legislation to address concrete problems faced by their constituents is ludicrous.
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    If I were a Republican, I would be feeling pretty good. The Democrat party should be in a spot where they don’t have to throw the ultimate Hail Mary aka “Student Loan Forgiveness”. The Republican Party should be beat down so much that such a carrot shouldn’t be offered up to entice voters, but here they are.

    So in short, their infighting, wonky policies, and odd AF nominees still seem to have the Republican Party in a better spot than expected.
     
    Taurus said:
    Yes, he can. He and his buddies will be dead before the torches get lit and the Republic falls.
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    True but he will be in no small part responsible for the transformation of the GOP into a party of lunatics. Maybe he doesn't care as long as he gets his judges but I suspect in the not too distant future we will be getting the judicial equivalents of MTG, Boebert, Walker, etc.
     
    Kerry Won Ohio said:
    Except his "blind spots" have prevented millions of Americans from benefiting from the BBB bill, because he is a selfish butt crevasse.

    Which is unforgiveable in my book.
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    I don’t think he was the only one who stood in the way. I wish he would have gone along with it, but if he had I’m not convinced that someone else wouldn’t have taken the bullet.
     
    el caliente said:
    If I were a Republican, I would be feeling pretty good. The Democrat party should be in a spot where they don’t have to throw the ultimate Hail Mary aka “Student Loan Forgiveness”. The Republican Party should be beat down so much that such a carrot shouldn’t be offered up to entice voters, but here they are.

    So in short, their infighting, wonky policies, and odd AF nominees still seem to have the Republican Party in a better spot than expected.
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    Why is it the “Democrat” Party and the “Republican” party? If you’re going to shorten one, why not shorten the other? I’ve never understood this, nor the idea the right wing has that they’re somehow proving something with this odd expression.
     
    MT15 said:
    Why is it the “Democrat” Party and the “Republican” party? If you’re going to shorten one, why not shorten the other? I’ve never understood this, nor the idea the right wing has that they’re somehow proving something with this odd expression.
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    Shorten one? What does that mean? Do you mean to “short” one (as in selling short)?

    In that case, why short one and not both? I mean, does anyone look around and think to themselves “yup, this government is going to be alright”?
     
    el caliente said:
    Shorten one? What does that mean? Do you mean to “short” one (as in selling short)?

    In that case, why short one and not both? I mean, does anyone look around and think to themselves “yup, this government is going to be alright”?
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    You’re reading too much into this, it‘s a language thing. Ever since I can remember it has been the “Democratic” Party and the “Republican” Party. Suddenly a few years ago Republicans have insisted on calling it the “Democrat” party. Trump even made a big deal about it as I recall. So then maybe it should be the “Republic” party?
     
    MT15 said:
    I’ve been wondering about how libertarians can justify aligning with the modern Republican Party. It seems I’m not the only one:





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    Yea, that’s how I feel about the “libertarians” on this site.

    They’re just useful idiots for the Republicans.
     
    I would love to hear a Libertarian on the forum give their take on why they would support one party or the other over their own party.
     

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