What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[SamAndreas]

No. The candidate that is the nominated for President at the Democratic Convention would be the candidate with the best chance of defeating Trump in your hypothetical scenario. I have already stated the only two Democrats I WOULD vote for are Manchin and Gabbard.
I am done on this topic for tonight.
Have a good balance of the weekend everyone.
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and kindly remember.
I keep posting because someone directly asks me a question.
Each time I do my best to answer candidly.
My goal here is to pass the time and mildly entertain myself.
Anyway, my wife says that dinner is ready...gotta go.

Have a good weekend Steve.

I think it is possible that Brandon is hard to satisfy about his because Trumpets went and turned his name into a fork. A big wonkin fork.

So I see his point and side of this too.

... and I can't for the life of myself see why you'd think Gabbard is worth a hoot. I sure do like Biden.

 

[SamAndreas]

Also, Steve, you seem oddly inconsistent as above is your first post on the forum where you say, despite not liking Trump, you would vote for him in 2024. Now you're saying you wouldn't.

Saul, I kind of recall that too. But I have fresh in my memory a memory of Trump saying Putin is genus, and think that might have had an impact on Steve.

I think that Trump miscalculated when he said that. Stinking rat's actually do smell bad.

 

[brandon]

I think it is possible that Brandon is hard to satisfy about his because Trumpets went and turned his name into a fork. A big wonkin fork.

Nah, I just hate hypocrisy.

I just feel pity for the “Let’s go Brandon” crowd.

 

[Taurus]

It sounds like he's saying that all alternative Republican candidates are preferable to Trump, but only two Democrats.
He's unable to bring himself to give +1 to Trump nor a likely Dem.
So he'll vote 3rd party and just deal with it if Trump wins.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

You say that you oppose Trump and that you do not want him to be the Republican candidate in 2024, yet you wouldn't take one simple, easy step to try to prevent it when it comes down to it. Why not? Is it because you think a non-Manchin/Gabbard Democrat is worse?

YES

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Also, Steve, you seem oddly inconsistent as above is your first post on the forum where you say, despite not liking Trump, you would vote for him in 2024. Now you're saying you wouldn't.

Yes. My position has evolved. With each passing month I dislike him more and more.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Saul, I kind of recall that too. But I have fresh in my memory a memory of Trump saying Putin is genus, and think that might have had an impact on Steve.

I think that Trump miscalculated when he said that. Stinking rat's actually do smell bad.

Correct.
In the past Trump was very unlikeable....yet now he is beyond that. He is unacceptable.
My position has evolved.
You SamAndreas are my favorite poster.
Although you do not agree with me on everything...at least you are fair and not calling me spineless.

 

[SamAndreas]

Correct.
In the past Trump was very unlikeable....yet now he is beyond that. He is unacceptable.
My position has evolved.
You SamAndreas are my favorite poster.
Although you do not agree with me on everything...at least you are fair and not calling me spineless.

I don't agree with you on very much, I'm a staunch life time Democrat.

I don't call you names. I like to see you on the board. But I've been voting to cancel your votes all those years. Do continue.

 

[bird]

I assume you are saying that Joe M. and Tulsi G. do not articulate the same speaking points or fall in line in general with mainstream Democrats.....yup....THAT IS WHY they are the only two folks I like that have a "D" next to their name when they are being interviewed on television.

Interesting. Just because they a “D” after their name is pointless. Hopefully, they will be primaried and you can then go back to supporting actual Republicans instead of fake Democrats.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

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Can you elaborate on that, because Biden is a moderate Democrat? Someone asked you about the Build Back Better bill, for instance. I'm not looking for deep policy discussion or anything, just some highlights. What is in that bill that you oppose?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I don't agree with you on very much, I'm a staunch life time Democrat.

I don't call you names. I like to see you on the board. But I've been voting to cancel your votes all those years. Do continue.

Very great. You are true to your chosen party and ideas but treat me in a respectful manner anyway.
Some posters could possibly copy your approach?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Can you elaborate on that, because Biden is a moderate Democrat? Someone asked you about the Build Back Better bill, for instance. I'm not looking for deep policy discussion or anything, just some highlights. What is in that bill that you oppose?

Yeah I have been dodging that question because all I know is what I've been told by 1)Joe Manchin, 2)Talk Radio 770AM in NYC and 3)Fox News. My position (based on not enough knowledge to win a debate here)...is that we(USA) are already in more debt than any of us or our children can pay....the Build Back America Plan is for HUMAN Infrastructure....and I don't want our grandchildren to pay for that. We (the USA) already do soooo much for people. Oh my gosh, just take a look at my paystub and see how much of my salary goes to taxes and medicare contrbutions. I am not interested in having our dollar devalued and money that we (the USA) don't actually have given out. Enough already.
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Now many will respond.....and on and on it goes.
I'm not the champion of the viewpoint I just laid out.
.....and my lack of interest in responding to all the posts that will now come my way does NOT make me spineless.
I just DON'T CARE if Democrats on this forum agree with me.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Yeah I have been dodging that question because all I know is what I've been told by 1)Joe Manchin, 2)Talk Radio 770AM in NYC and 3)Fox News. My position (based on not enough knowledge to win a debate here)...is that we(USA) are already in more debt than any of us or our children can pay....the Build Back America Plan is for HUMAN Infrastructure....and I don't want our grandchildren to pay for that. We (the USA) already do soooo much for people. Oh my gosh, just take a look at my paystub and see how much of my salary goes to taxes and medicare contrbutions. I am not interested in having our dollar devalued and money that we (the USA) don't actually have given out. Enough already.
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Now many will respond.....and on and on it goes.
I'm not the champion of the viewpoint I just laid out.
.....and my lack of interest in responding to all the posts that will now come my way does NOT make me spineless.
I just DON'T CARE if Democrats on this forum agree with me.

Right, but shouldn't you be interested in what is actually in the bill before judging whether to support it or not?

Take away the winning and losing aspect of it... just from a personal standpoint, if you care about the things you say you care for, shouldn't you try to figure out if something actually aligns with your stated values or not?

I often find it weird that so many people that claim to be concerned about the deficit and what their children will have to pay for continue to vote Republican when the deficit explodes under Republican leadership and shrinks under Democrat leadership. And yes, that's a horribly simplistic summary of what is really complex - but at a high level is true and should cause partisans stop to think if they actually value the things they say they value.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Right, but shouldn't you be interested in what is actually in the bill before judging whether to support it or not?

Take away the winning and losing aspect of it... just from a personal standpoint, if you care about the things you say you care for, shouldn't you try to figure out if something actually aligns with your stated values or not?

I often find it weird that so many people that claim to be concerned about the deficit and what their children will have to pay for continue to vote Republican when the deficit explodes under Republican leadership and shrinks under Democrat leadership. And yes, that's a horribly simplistic summary of what is really complex - but at a high level is true and should cause partisans stop to think if they actually value the things they say they value.

I just finished watching Netflix with my wife. Now I'm gonna sleep....but.... I don't believe the deficit will shrink under Biden's leadership.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yeah I have been dodging that question because all I know is what I've been told by 1)Joe Manchin, 2)Talk Radio 770AM in NYC and 3)Fox News. My position (based on not enough knowledge to win a debate here)...is that we(USA) are already in more debt than any of us or our children can pay....the Build Back America Plan is for HUMAN Infrastructure....and I don't want our grandchildren to pay for that. We (the USA) already do soooo much for people. Oh my gosh, just take a look at my paystub and see how much of my salary goes to taxes and medicare contrbutions. I am not interested in having our dollar devalued and money that we (the USA) don't actually have given out. Enough already.
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Now many will respond.....and on and on it goes.
I'm not the champion of the viewpoint I just laid out.
.....and my lack of interest in responding to all the posts that will now come my way does NOT make me spineless.
I just DON'T CARE if Democrats on this forum agree with me.

Do you think it's reasonable or logical to hold any position or state anything as fact (Biden's Build Back America Plan didn't pass, but it sure didn't fit into the category of "moderate") without even having a basic understanding of the subject matter?

 

[bird]

I just finished watching Netflix with my wife. Now I'm gonna sleep....but.... I don't believe the deficit will shrink under Biden's leadership.

So…deficits should shrink under Democratic administrations but not under Republican administrations? That is called the two Santa Claus theory.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I just finished watching Netflix with my wife. Now I'm gonna sleep....but.... I don't believe the deficit will shrink under Biden's leadership.

There should be a reason attached to that belief though. And hopefully it's more than a dogmatic belief that Democrats = more spending = more deficit. The deficit decreased under Obama and Clinton (who oversaw our first surplus in decades and a booming economy after raising taxes), and increased under Trump, Bush 2, Bush 1, and Reagan.

Again, the above is super simplistic and there are lots more reasons as to why that happened... but it should at least make you question whether the deficit will really increase under Biden.

 

[MT15]

Saw this and it sounds familiar: