What happens to the Democratic Party now? (1 Viewer)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[MT15]

I guess what is the difference with Trump then and why couldn’t someone else do it?

Playing devils advocate for a moment on myself - maybe the answer is money and his track record… but also there are many people in the US who have a lot of money and have backwards views that to me could become a Trump alike candidate..

That damn tv show is the difference to me. Other potential autocrats weren’t showcased as some business genius for over a decade by a shirtty tv show.

 

[J-DONK]

That damn tv show is the difference to me. Other potential autocrats weren’t showcased as some business genius for over a decade by a shirtty tv show.

If that's true we should beg Jon Stewart to run. =)

 

[coldseat]

As I said, you can include "white" in just about all of those groups, but why can't it be stated? Why is it taboo for the Dems to say "white" in a sentence without the word privilege attached to it?

Because in the past, all policy was focused solely on white people. The only white groups labeled as such were white supremacists groups. That's the taboo. Then other groups of people came along and Democrats (and Republicans) started making policy proposal for those specific groups.

It's not some Democratic conspiracy or disrespect of the white population. Jesus Christ.

Did Trump/Republicans have a White Men/Woman (labeled as such) policy section on their webpage. Anybody complaining care to even check?

 

[porculator]

Did the Democrats talk about any of that? Did you see Democratic adds about the trans issues or putting tampons in boys bathrooms? That's all Republican propaganda. Even Democrats buy all the crap. Smh.

The tampon thing, yes, you are right it was the republicans that took that and ran with it.

But the democrats are the ones that replaced the term "mother" with "birthing person" in official government documents. It is self-inflicted and unneccessary.

 

[DaveXA]

Because in the past, all policy was focused solely on white people. The only white groups labeled as such were white supremacists groups. Then other groups of people came along and Democrats (and Republicans) started making policy proposal for those specific groups.

It's not some Democratic conspiracy or disrespect of the white population. Jesus Christ.

Did Trump/Republicans have a White Men/Woman (labeled as such) policy section on their webpage. Anybody complaining care to even check?

Then stop with what happened in the past. The guilt-tripping isn’t doing anyone any good when it comes to building a coalition. If you want more white voters (and you should because they’re far and away the largest demographic), then cater to them as well. It doesn’t have to be instead of or to the detriment of anyone else. But you at minimum need to be sure they’re heard. Not at the expense of anyone else, but at least show some sort of good faith effort that you want their vote.

 

[SystemShock]

Because in the past, all policy was focused solely on white people. The only white groups labeled as such were white supremacists groups. That's the taboo. Then other groups of people came along and Democrats (and Republicans) started making policy proposal for those specific groups.

It's not some Democratic conspiracy or disrespect of the white population. Jesus Christ.

Did Trump/Republicans have a White Men/Woman (labeled as such) policy section on their webpage. Anybody complaining care to even check?

That was a distant past.

It may not be a conspiracy or disrespect of the white population, sure, but why can the Dems not even address them directly?

Trump/Republicans don't have a "white person" policy section, no. But then again, the GOP is not in the business of celebrating diversity, and GOPers don't go out of their way to make sure they address every single demographic other than white, while continuously referencing the bad white people.

 

[porculator]

Sorry, I don't keep to with whatever Joe Rogan is doing or has done.

Yes unfortunately the democratic handlers feel the same, which is why they lost big with young men.

His podcast with Trump has 46 MILLION views on youtube. That is Super Bowl numbers, for a 3 hour fluff piece with Trump (not because he's a huge Trumper but because he generally fawns over all of his guests). He wanted Kamala on too but apparently they declined.

Theo Von, same target audience, 14 million views on his podcast with Trump. If she thought Rogan was a trap she could have done Theo Von at least, he never has a negative word to say about anyone.

Its like Taylor Swift- you don't have to understand the hype, but you have to acknowledge that it matters.

 

[J-DONK]

Yes unfortunately the democratic handlers feel the same, which is why they lost big with young men.

His podcast with Trump has 46 MILLION views on youtube. That is Super Bowl numbers, for a 3 hour fluff piece with Trump (not because he's a huge Trumper but because he generally fawns over all of his guests). He wanted Kamala on too but apparently they declined.

Theo Von, same target audience, 14 million views on his podcast with Trump. If she thought Rogan was a trap she could have done Theo Von at least, he never has a negative word to say about anyone.

Its like Taylor Swift- you don't have to understand the hype, but you have to acknowledge that it matters.

Why those interviews matter as well. Democrats say Trump is a facist. He goes on those podcast and sounds normal.

There is no reason to not go on those same podcast. There is nothing hard hitting about them. Bernie has done all of them.

 

[MT15]

This thread by Andy Kim may have some merit for this conversation. The main part is below. There are a few more tweets if anyone wants to read the read of it.

 

[coldseat]

Then stop with what happened in the past. The guilt-tripping isn’t doing anyone any good when it comes to building a coalition. If you want more white voters (and you should because they’re far and away the largest demographic), then cater to them as well. It doesn’t have to be instead of or to the detriment of anyone else. But you at minimum need to be sure they’re heard. Not at the expense of anyone else, but at least show some sort of good faith effort that you want their vote.

That was a distant past.

It may not be a conspiracy or disrespect of the white population, sure, but why can the Dems not even address them directly?

Trump/Republicans don't have a "white person" policy section, no. But then again, the GOP is not in the business of celebrating diversity, and GOPers don't go out of their way to make sure they address every single demographic other than white, while continuously referencing the bad white people.

Why is celebrating diversity bad? Guilt tripping? You all seem to think I actually care if Democrats do or don't have a section for white people or that I would be "offended" if they did. I'd venture to say that the vast majority of minorities that vote Democrat don't care, myself included. If that's what they need to do, then do it. I'm just giving the simple, logical explanation for why it hasn't been done in the past.

What do you put in it? Go!

 

[coldseat]

Why those interviews matter as well. Democrats say Trump is a facist. He goes on those podcast and sounds normal.

There is no reason to not go on those same podcast. They is nothing hard hitting about them. Bernie has done all of them.

Yes unfortunately the democratic handlers feel the same, which is why they lost big with young men.

His podcast with Trump has 46 MILLION views on youtube. That is Super Bowl numbers, for a 3 hour fluff piece with Trump (not because he's a huge Trumper but because he generally fawns over all of his guests). He wanted Kamala on too but apparently they declined.

Theo Von, same target audience, 14 million views on his podcast with Trump. If she thought Rogan was a trap she could have done Theo Von at least, he never has a negative word to say about anyone.

Its like Taylor Swift- you don't have to understand the hype, but you have to acknowledge that it matters.

Yeah, I don't know or care anything about Joe Rogan, but I recognized a while back that Kamala and Democrats needed to tailor messaging to young men and talk to them directly because it was obvious they were losing young men to the bro culture that Rogan personifies. The tried some, but by them it was probably too late. One interview with Rogan or anybody else wouldn't have changed anything.

 

[DaveXA]

Why is celebrating diversity bad? Guilt tripping?

Good grief, no one said it is bad. I love diversity. Guilt tripping… you know, like blaming white voters for losing an election where those same voters weren’t really addressed directly in campaign, messaging, or, holding the past sins against them as a group instead of including them in the coalition?

You all seem to think I actually care if Democrats do or don't have a section for white people or that I would be "offended" if they did.

I don’t expect you to care. But I would expect you to understand that not addressing the largest voting demographic is terrible campaign strategy.

I'd venture to say that the vast majority of minorities that vote Democrat don't care, myself included.

Again, they don’t have to care, but if you don’t address the largest voting demographic, well, you know.

If that's what they need to do, then do it.

They should, yes.

I'm just giving the simple, logical explanation for why it hasn't been done in the past.

Things change. What worked in the past might not work again in the future.

What do you put in it? Go!

It states at the top, “who we serve” description says party of inclusion and left off the largest demographic . It’s in alphabetical order. Put white Americans or something a little more creative on the list, idk.

But the better thing to do is actually speak to them in campaign messaging. Explain why diversity should matter to them and why they should be a part of it. Explain how the Democratic platform is a good thing for them too. It doesn’t take anything away from anyone else. People need and desire validation. If they don’t get it, they’ll look elsewhere for it.

 

[coldseat]

Good grief, no one said it is bad. I love diversity. Guilt tripping… you know, like blaming white voters for losing an election where those same voters weren’t really addressed directly in campaign, messaging, or, holding the past sins against them as a group instead of including them in the coalition?

I don’t expect you to care. But I would expect you to understand that not addressing the largest voting demographic is terrible campaign strategy.

Again, they don’t have to care, but if you don’t address the largest voting demographic, well, you know.

They should, yes.

Things change. What worked in the past might not work again in the future.

It states at the top, “who we serve” description says party of inclusion and left off the largest demographic . It’s in alphabetical order. Put white Americans or something a little more creative on the list, idk.

But the better thing to do is actually speak to them in campaign messaging. Explain why diversity should matter to them and why they should be a part of it. Explain how the Democratic platform is a good thing for them too. It doesn’t take anything away from anyone else. People need and desire validation. If they don’t get it, they’ll look elsewhere for it.

Harris chose her VP specifically for this demographic. All her VP choices where for this demographic. How can anybody say they weren't trying to communicate with them? Did it work, obviously not. But they tried.

White people should form groups to advocate for them and come up with policy proposal just for them.

 

[SFIDC3]

Some people think it’s evidence of potential foul play – but I just think it’s signs that this is a goofball, unserious electorate

Yup, I honestly thought all women in this country (what, with their individual freedoms very much on the line and the multiple needless deaths that have occurred since Dobbs) would come out and vote in force as they had appeared to leading up to this election, you know to protect their rights......and it didn't happen.....that is mindboggling to me, did they already forget?

 

[Infoman]

Looks like what will happen is.... The Dem party will Congratulate Hitler and Invite him over to the White House to discuss the peaceful transition to Fascism, and their different visions of ending Democracy... Not something I'd be willing to do if that's 100% fact... But to each there own I guess... In unrelated news... This is why I have trust issues with these parties...

Biden congratulates Trump in phone call, invites him to meeting at White House

President Joe Biden spoke on the phone with former President Donald Trump on Wednesday and "congratulated him on his victory," the White House said in a statement.

abcnews.go.com

"President Joe Biden called President Donald J. Trump to congratulate him on his victory and extended an invitation to the White House to ensure a smooth transition between the current Administration and the incoming Administration. President Trump looks forward to the meeting, which will take place shortly, and very much appreciated the call," Cheung said in a statement.

(In case you didn't catch it... I was being sarcastic - I hate the hyperbolic rhetoric party systems - Churchill would never call Adolf over to congratulate him on winning anything, nor work with him on a peaceful transition of anything... Biden ain't Churchill, and Trump ain't Hitler - That's the take away here - This has to stop)

 

[fooferdoggie]

if we need to be reminded how dumb trump supporters can be.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Looks like what will happen is.... The Dem party will Congratulate Hitler and Invite him over to the White House to discuss the peaceful transition to Fascism... Not something I'd be willing to do if that's 100% fact... But to each there own I guess... In unrelated news... This is why I have trust issues with these parties...

Biden congratulates Trump in phone call, invites him to meeting at White House

President Joe Biden spoke on the phone with former President Donald Trump on Wednesday and "congratulated him on his victory," the White House said in a statement.

abcnews.go.com

"President Joe Biden called President Donald J. Trump to congratulate him on his victory and extended an invitation to the White House to ensure a smooth transition between the current Administration and the incoming Administration. President Trump looks forward to the meeting, which will take place shortly, and very much appreciated the call," Cheung said in a statement.

Well, somebody has to maintain the façade that is our "American Ideals" if we are to continue being a Republic that was built on the US Constitution. Otherwise, we should just give up trying to put this thing back together and just start shooting our neighbors.

 

[Infoman]

Well, somebody has to maintain the façade that is our "American Ideals" if we are to continue being a Republic that was built on the US Constitution. Otherwise, we should just give up trying to put this thing back together and just start shooting our neighbors.