What happens to the Democratic Party now? (2 Viewers)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You stay in denial, looks good on you.

Case in point. You're a troll. It's not often you see a 60-something-year-old man who needs to grow up, but here we are.

 

[Texan1211]

Case in point. You're a troll. It's not often you see a 60-something-year-old man who needs to grow up, but here we are.

ah, another example!

 

[brandon]

Democrats claim to be for law and order and secure borders but their actions result in sanctuaries and harboring illegal aliens and not cooperating with federal law enforcement.
Democrats claim to be for abortion with some restrictions, but at least 8 states have no restrictions regarding when one can obtain an abortion.
Nobody had to tell me, it is all over the news and very easy to look up.

Other than secure borders, none of these were your definitions of "the middle".

And there is that infamous liberal elitism showing its ugly head! Of course only Democrats know what is good for you, and you will vote how we tell you because we know your personal situation better than you!

That's not what I said at all.

 

[bird]

Democrats claim to be for law and order and secure borders but their actions result in sanctuaries and harboring illegal aliens and not cooperating with federal law enforcement.
Democrats claim to be for abortion with some restrictions, but at least 8 states have no restrictions regarding when one can obtain an abortion.
Nobody had to tell me, it is all over the news and very easy to look up.

And there is that infamous liberal elitism showing its ugly head! Of course only Democrats know what is good for you, and you will vote how we tell you because we know your personal situation better than you!

Hmmm, liberal elitism. More Reich Wing bullschlitz. I expect it when the right whines that their policies damage people. As for 8 states that have no limits on abortion? Too bad. If the people in those states support it being a woman’s choice it is no skin off your nose.

Beyond that? If someone votes Republican and Republicans want to cut programs that they need then too damn bad. They can go take a flying at a rolling doughnut.

 

[Texan1211]

Hmmm, liberal elitism. More Reich Wing bullschlitz. I expect it when the right whines that their policies damage people. As for 8 states that have no limits on abortion? Too bad. If the people in those states support it being a woman’s choice it is no skin off your nose.

Beyond that? If someone votes Republican and Republicans want to cut programs that they need then too damn bad. They can go take a flying at a rolling doughnut.

As can Democrats, right?

 

[bird]

As can Democrats, right?

Nah, just you. I don’t care because they, the Reactionary Elitists, don’t care.

 

[MT15]

For the vast majority of abortions, that is not the case.

For the vast majority of abortions that happen past the point of viability, that is exactly the case. No doctor is aborting a fetus that is capable of surviving outside the womb, whether there are laws on the book against it or not. Medical ethics and medical practice prevents it.

 

[Texan1211]

For the vast majority of abortions that happen past the point of viability, that is exactly the case. No doctor is aborting a fetus that is capable of surviving outside the womb, whether there are laws on the book against it or not. Medical ethics and medical practice prevents it.

So, no laws prohibiting late term abortions in at least 8 states.
Nothing in the AMA Code of ethics prohibits late-term abortions, so where exactly did you get that medical ethics and practice prevents it?

 

[Dragon]

So, no laws prohibiting late term abortions in at least 8 states.
Nothing in the AMA Code of ethics prohibits late-term abortions, so where exactly did you get that medical ethics and practice prevents it?

Again your facts are wrong

Viability and Legal Considerations:

• Once a fetus is viable, the AMA recognizes that the physician's obligations extend to the fetus as a potential patient.
• Late-term abortions must comply with state and federal laws, many of which impose restrictions or require specific justifications for abortions beyond viability.
• In most jurisdictions, exceptions are allowed only if continuing the pregnancy poses a significant risk to the pregnant person’s life or health.

So if the fetus is viable outside his/her mothers body, the fetus becomes a potential patient with rights of its own

 

[Texan1211]

Again your facts are wrong

Viability and Legal Considerations:

• Once a fetus is viable, the AMA recognizes that the physician's obligations extend to the fetus as a potential patient.
• Late-term abortions must comply with state and federal laws, many of which impose restrictions or require specific justifications for abortions beyond viability.
• In most jurisdictions, exceptions are allowed only if continuing the pregnancy poses a significant risk to the pregnant person’s life or health.

So if the fetus is viable outside his/her mothers body, the fetus becomes a potential patient with rights of its own

So any doctor not agreeing will be free to conduct late term abortions for any reason in those states.

 

[Dragon]

So any doctor not agreeing will be free to conduct late term abortions for any reason in those states.

That is not what the AMA guidelines state. A fetus becomes a patient as soon as it is recognized as viable outside the womb. Additionally, killing a child after birth is considered infanticide in every state.

 

[Texan1211]

Additionally, killing a child after birth is considered infanticide in every state.

Nobody said any of that.
Strawman.
Sigh.

 

[bird]

Nobody said any of that.
Strawman.
Sigh.

You were talking about late term abortions. Viable fetuses are not being aborted.

 

[SFIDC3]

You were talking about late term abortions. Viable fetuses are not being aborted.

Kind of makes you wonder if after arguing a proven false reich wing talking point, he would rethink it…..but I believe we all know the answer to that one…..

 

[Optimus Prime]

For months they called him an authoritarian, an existential threat, even a fascist. But for some Democrats, it seems, none of these is a deal-breaker when it comes to working with Donald Trump.

As the leaderless party struggles to find its bearings after a devastating election defeat in November, a split is emerging between those who insist on shunning the US president-elect at all costs and those who see merit in cooperation. The dichotomy has left allies frustrated and demanding a coherent plan of attack.

“Donald Trump doesn’t stop being a danger the day after the election just because he won and he doesn’t deserve to be coddled or courted just because he won,” said Shannon Watts, founder emerita of the gun safety group Moms Demand Action.

“I’m not saying there’s no room for bipartisanship or collaboration, but it seems abrupt to begin doing that without a clear leader or leaders in the party telling us what the strategy is. That’s the piece that’s missing.”

Watts added: “I’m sure there are Dems who think it’s great to collaborate, and I’m sure there Dems who think that we shouldn’t give an inch to a fascist. There are also people like me who can be persuaded to understand what the public should be doing, but there’s there doesn’t seem to be an attempt to do that.”

Democrats spent years casting Trump as a fundamental threat who instigated a coup against the US government on 6 January 2021 in a failed attempt to overturn his election defeat. Joe Biden warned that Trump was poised to resume his “assault on democracy” and was deploying the “same exact language used in Nazi Germany”.

When John Kelly, Trump’s former chief of staff, and Mark Milley, who served as Trump’s chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, both described the former president as a fascist, Democrats embraced the term. Asked at CNN town hall if she believed that Trump was a fascist, the Democratic nominee, Kamala Harris, replied twice: “Yes, I do.” Later she warned that Trump would be “a president who admires dictators and is a fascist”.

Yet Trump beat Harris anyway on 5 November. In a hugely symbolic blow, he also won the national popular vote at his third attempt. Republicans swept the Senate and House of Representativestoo. For Democrats, it was a punch that left many feeling disoriented and seeking answers.

Biden, derided by Trump as the worst president in US history, responded by inviting his rival to the Oval Office, warmly shaking hands and promising a smooth transition.

The smiling pair posed for photos with the first lady, Jill Biden, in the White House grounds. Some praised the move as gracious and designed to ensure respect for the office and democratic process……..

‘What’s the plan?’ Democrats divided over approach towards Trump

Some party figures favour cooperation but others say shun at all costs – and the split has critics seeking coherence

www.theguardian.com