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    I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

    2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

    Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

    What went wrong?
    What could’ve been done better?
    What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

    Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..
     
    She lost to trump. That alone puts her on the back bench. And experience as a vp ranks far below that of a governor. The best thing that could happen for democrats is for Vance run in 2028. Historically vp’s fail more often than win.
    No, it really doesn't. And the experience of the VP supercedes that of governor. Vance will more than likely be the Republican nominee.

    Given the fact that everything Harris said would happen if Trump was elected has happened to this point, her candidacy could be really strong.
     
    No, it really doesn't. And the experience of the VP supercedes that of governor. Vance will more than likely be the Republican nominee.

    Given the fact that everything Harris said would happen if Trump was elected has happened to this point, her candidacy could be really strong.
    VP’s only power is President of the senate, breaking ties and counting electoral votes. Governor is the chief executive of a state. Far more power, authority and responsibility. And really does matter that she lost to trump. That’s the ultimate failure.
     
    I went with the truth. Bernie is not a Democrat but Democrats allowed him to run as one.

    I love that I asked you a question to try and make you stop fixating on Bernie Sanders, and actual address my point. You then just decide to double down. I guess to try and provoke a response.



    Republicns would never have done that. So talking about what happened to Bernie is really disingenuous.

    The only person still talking about Bernie is you. I tried to change to subject.

    I will demonize any block who voted for a message that was overtly racist. Your answer is not better. Your answer denies the problem. I do plenty of searching, so I don't really need to go looking for accusations maade about Obama. As I recall, Bidens son died in 2015 and Biden has said many times that he just was not up for running a campaign at that time.

    Accusations? This was widely reported on.

    Politico:


    USA Today:


    The Atlantic:


    Here is where I get my answer from-

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    (excerpts)

    Following the 2024 Election, media coverage has been dominated by newspapers seeking to articulate how Donald Trump won the election. As a part of this coverage, there is a noticeable rise in articles on the shift in Black and Latino votes for Trump with titles such as “Trump’s return to power fueled by Hispanic, working-class voter support,” and lines like “some surprising margins . . . within groups including women, Black and Latino voters helped carry the former president to victory.” While it is certainly important to recognize shifts in the voting patterns of people of color and what that means, the media framing that seeks to attribute Trump’s victory to people of color is concerning because it seemingly blames those who will be most devastated by a second Trump term for his victory.

    To be clear, Trump’s voting coalition is overwhelmingly composed of white voters. Approximately 84% of the votes for Trump in 2024 were cast by white voters.

    Donald Trump won the 2024 election despite running the most racist presidential campaign in history, despite his long history of racial slurs and comments (such as claiming that Kamala Harris “turned Black”), and despite hosting rallies where speakers regularly gave remarks containing racist dog whistles on stage. This phenomenon, where voters voted for Trump despite his racist actions, suggests that in spite of arguments to the contrary, the United States of America is still wrestling with issues of white supremacy and racial bias.



    When it is said consistenty that inflation was gobal due t the pandemic, Biden should not have had to provide additional messaging to thinking peple. Also since the supply chains were damaged before Biden took office, the tendency to excuse Trump for being one of the actul creators of inflation is another thing we, the peope missed. Our job is to be informed, and the pubic failed in this regard. Republican states do no better at housing and in fact are wrse. I ive in a Repubucn state. So again, repeating what Repubicans say is not the way to do things.

    Oh, so do want to demonize only one group, white people. Got it.

    The fault is always with the candidate, period.

    Let's use the person you are dying to talk about, Bernie Sanders. Was it Bernie Sanders fault he could never win the southern black vote? According to you, we should instead blame the more conservative voting block of African American voters. Heck, let's take it a step further, and ask the question is this black conserative monolithic voting block holding back Dems from candidates with greater appeal in battleground rust belt states?

    My very easy to understand point you refuse to grasp, is that even if the answer is yes. What good does it do? Bernie either works on making inroads with those groups(which he utterly failed at), or progressives find a different candidate who can win over these voters. We have circled back to the fault being the candidates, not the voting bloc.

    P.S. Answer my question about why Obama told Biden not to run. I proved it's factual. So answer the question, or go away.
     
    I love that I asked you a question to try and make you stop fixating on Bernie Sanders, and actual address my point. You then just decide to double down. I guess to try and provoke a response.





    The only person still talking about Bernie is you. I tried to change to subject.



    Accusations? This was widely reported on.

    Politico:


    USA Today:


    The Atlantic:




    Oh, so do want to demonize only one group, white people. Got it.

    The fault is always with the candidate, period.

    Let's use the person you are dying to talk about, Bernie Sanders. Was it Bernie Sanders fault he could never win the southern black vote? According to you, we should instead blame the more conservative voting block of African American voters. Heck, let's take it a step further, and ask the question is this black conserative monolithic voting block holding back Dems from candidates with greater appeal in battleground rust belt states?

    My very easy to understand point you refuse to grasp, is that even if the answer is yes. What good does it do? Bernie either works on making inroads with those groups(which he utterly failed at), or progressives find a different candidate who can win over these voters. We have circled back to the fault being the candidates, not the voting bloc.

    P.S. Answer my question about why Obama told Biden not to run. I proved it's factual. So answer the question, or go away.
    Bernie Sanders got beat in 30 states in 2016, some of them were states with little to no black votes, .and he got beat down in 2020. I demonized the only group that voted in the majority for Trump. As I showed you, 84 percent of the votes Trump got were from whites. If blacks had voted in the majority for trump, I'd demonize them too. As it stands that 16 percent that voted for trump was 16 percent too many, but it is insane to claim that 14 percent of any group means that group supported a candidate.I gave you the answer to your question, Joe Biden admitted that he didn't feel like running in 2016 due to the death of his son. That is widely reported also. As for your question, Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump, you seem to forget this important fact. Trump got in on a fluke that has only happened 5 times in this nation's history. So if Obama talked Biden out of running, his instincts were correct. I don't subscribe to the narratives you have fallen for.

    Democrats need to shore up their base instead of going after the types that don't want to vote for democrats. It's time to stop trying win over certain groups in the rust belt because there are many others in those same states that would vote democrat if there was a concerted effort to reach them. You don't have to like my assessment, but if the reason you are giving is that Democrats need to reach certain people, then you need to ask why an overtly racist message was able to reach and resonate with those same people. Asking me about what Obama did is weak and irrelevant. So if you can't do any better, stop replying to me.
     
    VP’s only power is President of the senate, breaking ties and counting electoral votes. Governor is the chief executive of a state. Far more power, authority and responsibility. And really does matter that she lost to trump. That’s the ultimate failure.
    The VP is in Cabinet meetings, takes the PDB and other things. They are part of the executive branch and do have more power than a governor. Again, Harris lost by 1.5 percent and it is not on her that people decided to vote for racism. She should run again in 2028, because it has been shown that what she said was right. What amazes me is just how much people fall for things Republicans put out there.
     
    The damage Musk caused will still be there, the effects of that damage may be much more apparent and far reaching than it is right now, the GOP Congress who silently stood by while all this was happening will still be there as will the president who started this chaos train running
    ===================

    Some Democrats worry that Elon Musk may be pushed out of government before they can target him in the midterm attack ads, according to a report.

    Musk’s time as the Trump administration’s special government employee is coming to an end in May or early June, but many expect the White House to extend the role or find another way to keep him in a front-line position.

    The unelected billionaire has proved an effective target for the Democrats after he has gutted federal agencies through the Department of Government Efficiency, but the party is “concerned” about their strategy if Musk takes a step back, Politico reports.

    “As long as he’s there using a chainsaw to all the programs that people back home rely on and need to make ends meet, of course we’re going to make him a central character,” Rep. Lori Trahan of Massachusetts, the co-chair of the House Democrats' messaging committee, told the outlet.……




     
    The damage Musk caused will still be there, the effects of that damage may be much more apparent and far reaching than it is right now, the GOP Congress who silently stood by while all this was happening will still be there as will the president who started this chaos train running
    ===================

    Some Democrats worry that Elon Musk may be pushed out of government before they can target him in the midterm attack ads, according to a report.

    Musk’s time as the Trump administration’s special government employee is coming to an end in May or early June, but many expect the White House to extend the role or find another way to keep him in a front-line position.

    The unelected billionaire has proved an effective target for the Democrats after he has gutted federal agencies through the Department of Government Efficiency, but the party is “concerned” about their strategy if Musk takes a step back, Politico reports.

    “As long as he’s there using a chainsaw to all the programs that people back home rely on and need to make ends meet, of course we’re going to make him a central character,” Rep. Lori Trahan of Massachusetts, the co-chair of the House Democrats' messaging committee, told the outlet.……




    I think the damage he caused will still be there.
     
    Democrats in Florida believe that strong performances in two congressional races this month have erected signposts towards restoring its status as a crucial swing state.

    It might appear a lofty conviction given no Democratic candidate has won a statewide election since 2018, and any remaining notion of Florida being purple was dispelled by Donald Trump’s victory over Kamala Harris by more than 13 percentage points in November.

    Yet hope has emerged alongside some remarkable statistics from the 1 April special elections in traditionally strong Republican districts, both of which the Democratic candidates still lost, but by significantly narrower margins than five months ago.


    In the House seat vacated by Matt Gaetz, Trump’s failed pick for attorney general, Democratic candidate Gay Valimont doubled her tally of votes from November. She halved the Republican majority, and flipped Escambia county blue “for the first time in living memory”, in the words of state Democratic party chair Nikki Fried.……

     
    Democrats in Florida believe that strong performances in two congressional races this month have erected signposts towards restoring its status as a crucial swing state.

    It might appear a lofty conviction given no Democratic candidate has won a statewide election since 2018, and any remaining notion of Florida being purple was dispelled by Donald Trump’s victory over Kamala Harris by more than 13 percentage points in November.

    Yet hope has emerged alongside some remarkable statistics from the 1 April special elections in traditionally strong Republican districts, both of which the Democratic candidates still lost, but by significantly narrower margins than five months ago.


    In the House seat vacated by Matt Gaetz, Trump’s failed pick for attorney general, Democratic candidate Gay Valimont doubled her tally of votes from November. She halved the Republican majority, and flipped Escambia county blue “for the first time in living memory”, in the words of state Democratic party chair Nikki Fried.……

    I don't know about that. But you would figure after a bunch of failed Republican governors and embarrassing Republican reps that Florida would consider Democrats more seriously.
     
    Democrats in Florida believe that strong performances in two congressional races this month have erected signposts towards restoring its status as a crucial swing state.

    It might appear a lofty conviction given no Democratic candidate has won a statewide election since 2018, and any remaining notion of Florida being purple was dispelled by Donald Trump’s victory over Kamala Harris by more than 13 percentage points in November.

    Yet hope has emerged alongside some remarkable statistics from the 1 April special elections in traditionally strong Republican districts, both of which the Democratic candidates still lost, but by significantly narrower margins than five months ago.


    In the House seat vacated by Matt Gaetz, Trump’s failed pick for attorney general, Democratic candidate Gay Valimont doubled her tally of votes from November. She halved the Republican majority, and flipped Escambia county blue “for the first time in living memory”, in the words of state Democratic party chair Nikki Fried.……

    I lived there about 15 or so years ago and it was trending heavy MAGA then….I think the only thing that may change things is if a major Hurricane hits and Trump plays the no help game with $$$ and FEMA. But his handlers will nudge him to do the right thing, IMHO. Just a guess though.
     
    saw this online

    Excellent Read
    ============
    Dear Democratic Party,

    I need more from you. You keep sending emails and texts begging for money. While we're watching facism consolidate power in real time.

    This administration is not simply “a different ideology.” It is a coordinated, authoritarian machine — with the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and the executive pen all
    under its control.

    And you?
    You’re still asking for decorum and donations. WTF. That won’t save us.
    I don’t want to hear another polite floor speech. I want strategy. I want fire.
    I want action so bold it shifts the damn news cycle — not fits inside one. Every time I see something from the DNC, it’s asking me for funds. Surprise. Those of us
    who donate don’t want to keep sending money just to watch you stand frozen as the constitution goes up in flames — shaking your heads and saying, “Well, there’s not much
    we can do. He has the majority.”

    I call bullshirt.
    If you don’t know how to think outside the box…
    If you don’t know how to strategize…
    If you don’t know how to fight fire with fire…what the hell are we giving you money for?
    Some of us have two or three advanced degrees. Some of us have military training. Some of us know what coordinated resistance looks like — and this ain’t it.
    Yes, the tours around the country? Nice.
    The speeches? Nice.
    The clever congressional clapbacks? Nice.
    That was great for giving hope.

    Now we need action.
    You have to stop acting like this is a normal presidency that will just time out in four years.
    We’re not even at Day 100, and look at the chaos.
    Look at the disappearances.
    Look at the erosion of the judiciary, the press, and our rights.
    If you do not stop this, we will not make it 1,460 days.

    So here’s what I need from you — right now:

    1. Form an independent, civilian-powered investigative coalition.
    I’m talking experts. Veterans. Whistleblowers. Journalists. Watchdog orgs.
    Deputize the resistance. Build a real-time archive of corruption, overreach, and executive abuse.
    Make it public. Make it unshakable.
    Let the people drag the rot into the light.
    If you can’t hold formal hearings, hold public ones.
    If Congress won’t act, let the country act.
    This isn’t about optics — it’s about receipts. Because at some point, these people will be held accountable. And when that day comes, we’ll need every name, every signature,
    every illegal order, every act of silence—documented. You’re not just preserving truth — you’re preparing evidence for prosecution. The more they vanish people and weaponize
    data, the more we need truth in the sunlight.

    2. Join the International Criminal Court.
    Yes, I said it. Call their bluff. You cannot control what the other side does. But you can control your own integrity. So prove it. Prove that your party is still grounded in law, human
    rights, and ethical leadership.

    Join.
    If you’ve got nothing to hide — join. Show the world who’s hiding bodies, bribes, and buried bank accounts. Force the GOP to explain why they’d rather protect a war criminal than sign a treaty. And while you’re at it, publicly invite ICC observers into U.S. borders. Make this administration explain — on camera — why they’re terrified of international oversight.

    3. Fund state-level resistance infrastructure.
    Don’t just send postcards. Send resources. Channel DNC funds into rapid-response teams, legal defense coalitions, sanctuary networks, and digital security training.
    If the federal government is hijacked, build power underneath it.
    If the laws become tools of oppression, help people resist them legally, locally, and boldly.
    This is not campaign season — this is an authoritarian purge.

    Stop campaigning. Act like this is the end of democracy, because it is. We WILL REMEMBER the warriors come primaries. Fighting this regime should be your marketing
    strategy.
    And let’s be clear: The reason the other side always seems three steps ahead is because they ARE.
    They prepared for this.
    They infiltrated school boards, courts, local legislatures, and police unions.
    They built a machine while you wrote press releases.
    We’re reacting — they’ve been executing a plan for years. It’s time to shift from panic to blueprint. You should already be working with strategists and military minds on PROJECT
    2029 — a coordinated, long-term plan to rebuild this country when the smoke clears.

    You should be publicly laying out: The laws and amendments you’ll pass to ensure this never happens again. The systems you’ll tear down and the safeguards you’ll enshrine. The plan to hold perpetrators of human atrocities accountable The urgent commitment to immediately bring home those sold into slavery in El Salvador

    You say you’re the party of the people?
    Then show the people the plan.

    4. Use your platform to educate the public on rights and resistance tactics.If they’re going to strip us of rights and lie about it — arm the people with truth.Text campaigns. Mass trainings. Downloadable “Know Your Rights” kits. Multilingual legal guides. Encrypted phone trees.Give people tools, not soundbites.We don’t need more slogans. We need survival manuals.

    5. Leverage international media and watchdogs.Stop hoping U.S. cable news will wake up. They’re too busy playing both sides of fascism.Feed the real stories to BBC, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, Reuters, Der Spiegel — hell, leak them to anonymous dropboxes if you have to.Make what’s happening in America a global scandal.And stop relying on platforms that are actively suppressing truth.Start leveraging Substack. Use Bluesky.That’s where the resistance is migrating. That’s where censorship hasn’t caught up. If the mainstream won’t carry the truth — outflank them.Get creative. Go underground. Go global.If our democracy is being dismantled in broad daylight, make sure the whole world sees it — and make sure we’re still able to say it.

    7. Study the collapse—and the comeback.You should be learning from South Korea and how they managed their brief rule under dictatorship.They didn’t waste time chasing the one man with absolute immunity.They went after the structure.The aides. The enforcers. The loyalists. The architects.They knocked out the foundation one pillar at a time — until the “strongman” had no one left to stand on. And his power crumbled beneath him.You should be independently investigating every author of Project 2025, every aide who defies court orders, every communications director repeating lies, every policy writer enabling cruelty, every water boy who keeps this engine running.

    You can’t stop a regime by asking the king to sit down. You dismantle the throne he’s standing on — one coward at a time.Stop being scared to fight dirty when the other side is fighting to erase the damn Constitution. They are threatening to disappear AMERICANS.A M E R I C A N S.And your biggest move can’t be another strongly worded email. We don’t want your urgently fundraising subject lines.We want backbone....We want action.

    We want to know you’ll stand up before we’re all ordered to sit down — permanently.

    We are watching.


    And I don’t just mean your base. There are millions of us who see exactly what’s happening. When we ALL speak, it ROARS with pressure that will cause change.We need to be deafening.You still have a chance to do something historic.To be remembered for courage, not caution.To go down as the party that didn’t just watch the fall — but fought the hell back with everything they had.

    But the clock is ticking.
     
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    saw this online

    Excellent Read
    ============
    Dear Democratic Party,

    I need more from you. You keep sending emails and texts begging for money. While we're watching facism consolidate power in real time.

    This administration is not simply “a different ideology.” It is a coordinated, authoritarian machine — with the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and the executive pen all
    under its control.

    And you?
    You’re still asking for decorum and donations. WTF. That won’t save us.
    I don’t want to hear another polite floor speech. I want strategy. I want fire.
    I want action so bold it shifts the damn news cycle — not fits inside one. Every time I see something from the DNC, it’s asking me for funds. Surprise. Those of us
    who donate don’t want to keep sending money just to watch you stand frozen as the constitution goes up in flames — shaking your heads and saying, “Well, there’s not much
    we can do. He has the majority.”

    I call bullshirt.
    If you don’t know how to think outside the box…
    If you don’t know how to strategize…
    If you don’t know how to fight fire with fire…what the hell are we giving you money for?
    Some of us have two or three advanced degrees. Some of us have military training. Some of us know what coordinated resistance looks like — and this ain’t it.
    Yes, the tours around the country? Nice.
    The speeches? Nice.
    The clever congressional clapbacks? Nice.
    That was great for giving hope.

    Now we need action.
    You have to stop acting like this is a normal presidency that will just time out in four years.
    We’re not even at Day 100, and look at the chaos.
    Look at the disappearances.
    Look at the erosion of the judiciary, the press, and our rights.
    If you do not stop this, we will not make it 1,460 days.

    So here’s what I need from you — right now:

    1. Form an independent, civilian-powered investigative coalition.
    I’m talking experts. Veterans. Whistleblowers. Journalists. Watchdog orgs.
    Deputize the resistance. Build a real-time archive of corruption, overreach, and executive abuse.
    Make it public. Make it unshakable.
    Let the people drag the rot into the light.
    If you can’t hold formal hearings, hold public ones.
    If Congress won’t act, let the country act.
    This isn’t about optics — it’s about receipts. Because at some point, these people will be held accountable. And when that day comes, we’ll need every name, every signature,
    every illegal order, every act of silence—documented. You’re not just preserving truth — you’re preparing evidence for prosecution. The more they vanish people and weaponize
    data, the more we need truth in the sunlight.

    2. Join the International Criminal Court.
    Yes, I said it. Call their bluff. You cannot control what the other side does. But you can control your own integrity. So prove it. Prove that your party is still grounded in law, human
    rights, and ethical leadership.

    Join.
    If you’ve got nothing to hide — join. Show the world who’s hiding bodies, bribes, and buried bank accounts. Force the GOP to explain why they’d rather protect a war criminal than sign a treaty. And while you’re at it, publicly invite ICC observers into U.S. borders. Make this administration explain — on camera — why they’re terrified of international oversight.

    3. Fund state-level resistance infrastructure.
    Don’t just send postcards. Send resources. Channel DNC funds into rapid-response teams, legal defense coalitions, sanctuary networks, and digital security training.
    If the federal government is hijacked, build power underneath it.
    If the laws become tools of oppression, help people resist them legally, locally, and boldly.
    This is not campaign season — this is an authoritarian purge.

    Stop campaigning. Act like this is the end of democracy, because it is. We WILL REMEMBER the warriors come primaries. Fighting this regime should be your marketing
    strategy.
    And let’s be clear: The reason the other side always seems three steps ahead is because they ARE.
    They prepared for this.
    They infiltrated school boards, courts, local legislatures, and police unions.
    They built a machine while you wrote press releases.
    We’re reacting — they’ve been executing a plan for years. It’s time to shift from panic to blueprint. You should already be working with strategists and military minds on PROJECT
    2029 — a coordinated, long-term plan to rebuild this country when the smoke clears.

    You should be publicly laying out: The laws and amendments you’ll pass to ensure this never happens again. The systems you’ll tear down and the safeguards you’ll enshrine. The plan to hold perpetrators of human atrocities accountable The urgent commitment to immediately bring home those sold into slavery in El Salvador

    You say you’re the party of the people?
    Then show the people the plan.

    4. Use your platform to educate the public on rights and resistance tactics.If they’re going to strip us of rights and lie about it — arm the people with truth.Text campaigns. Mass trainings. Downloadable “Know Your Rights” kits. Multilingual legal guides. Encrypted phone trees.Give people tools, not soundbites.We don’t need more slogans. We need survival manuals.

    5. Leverage international media and watchdogs.Stop hoping U.S. cable news will wake up. They’re too busy playing both sides of fascism.Feed the real stories to BBC, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, Reuters, Der Spiegel — hell, leak them to anonymous dropboxes if you have to.Make what’s happening in America a global scandal.And stop relying on platforms that are actively suppressing truth.Start leveraging Substack. Use Bluesky.That’s where the resistance is migrating. That’s where censorship hasn’t caught up. If the mainstream won’t carry the truth — outflank them.Get creative. Go underground. Go global.If our democracy is being dismantled in broad daylight, make sure the whole world sees it — and make sure we’re still able to say it.

    7. Study the collapse—and the comeback.You should be learning from South Korea and how they managed their brief rule under dictatorship.They didn’t waste time chasing the one man with absolute immunity.They went after the structure.The aides. The enforcers. The loyalists. The architects.They knocked out the foundation one pillar at a time — until the “strongman” had no one left to stand on. And his power crumbled beneath him.You should be independently investigating every author of Project 2025, every aide who defies court orders, every communications director repeating lies, every policy writer enabling cruelty, every water boy who keeps this engine running.

    You can’t stop a regime by asking the king to sit down. You dismantle the throne he’s standing on — one coward at a time.Stop being scared to fight dirty when the other side is fighting to erase the damn Constitution. They are threatening to disappear AMERICANS.A M E R I C A N S.And your biggest move can’t be another strongly worded email. We don’t want your urgently fundraising subject lines.We want backbone....We want action.

    We want to know you’ll stand up before we’re all ordered to sit down — permanently.

    We are watching.


    And I don’t just mean your base. There are millions of us who see exactly what’s happening. When we ALL speak, it ROARS with pressure that will cause change.We need to be deafening.You still have a chance to do something historic.To be remembered for courage, not caution.To go down as the party that didn’t just watch the fall — but fought the hell back with everything they had.

    But the clock is ticking.
    Amen!
     
    This guy makes some good points. The press has quit challenging Trump’s lies. Somebody has to do it.

     

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