What happens to the Democratic Party now? (1 Viewer)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[TampaJoe]

So you finally admit that you want to force your beliefs on others. Got it I do respect that some people won't have an abortion due to THEIR beliefs but why should they decide the fate of others who don't share the same belief ?

We are a nation of laws. If it’s a duly passed law then citizens of this country have a reasonable expectation that people follow those laws or suffer the consequences. You don’t have to like it but the alternative in anarchy.

 

[horse2H5]

and? Are you saying it is not legal in Denmark to have an abortion at 11 weeks just because you want one?

Might be a terribly worded question. Let me try again.

Hypothetical

I am a female citizen of Denmark and I am 11 weeks pregnant. I decide I don't want to go through with the pregnancy, just because. Is this allowed?

 

[Dragon]

It is legal, and I firmly believe it should remain a woman's choice.

To set the record straight: I have a daughter who is adopted. I struggled with infertility and underwent multiple rounds of IVF, sadly without success. Unfortunately, I developed cancer from the hormone treatments, which permanently ended my ability to have biological children.

Even though I would never have chosen to have an abortion myself, I respect and recognize the right of a living, existing human being—a woman—over the potential life that might arise from the merging of two cells. The autonomy of a woman to make decisions about her own body must take precedence.

Carrying a pregnancy to term always involves risks for a woman and is never without medical consequences. Pregnancy places significant physical demands on the body, and complications can arise, even in healthy women.

Some potential medical conditions include:

• Preeclampsia: A dangerous condition marked by high blood pressure and damage to organs, often requiring early delivery to save the mother’s life.
• Gestational Diabetes: A form of diabetes that develops during pregnancy, increasing risks for both the mother and baby.
• Placenta Previa or Placental Abruption: Serious conditions where the placenta is improperly positioned or detaches, causing severe bleeding.
• Infections: Pregnancy suppresses the immune system, making women more susceptible to infections that can affect both mother and child.
• Blood Clots: The risk of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) or pulmonary embolism increases during pregnancy and postpartum.
• Uterine Rupture or Hemorrhage: In rare cases, these can occur during delivery and may lead to life-threatening blood loss.
• Cardiovascular Strain: Pregnancy significantly increases blood volume and heart workload, which can exacerbate underlying heart conditions or lead to new ones.

Even in straightforward pregnancies, the body undergoes significant stress, including hormonal changes, back pain, and physical strain that can have lasting impacts. While many women safely deliver healthy babies, it’s vital to acknowledge the inherent risks and potential health consequences that come with carrying a pregnancy to term.

 

[Dragon]

Yes it is allowed. As it is in most of the world including most US states. A lot of countries have that 12 week cut off

 

[coldseat]

Thanks for the info, but you are not going to change my mind. The cluster of cells do not turn into a dog or a waffle. Those cells turn into life. I am not trying to argue with you or get into a long debate. I have my belief and you have yours. States will vote and that will be the law. If you don't like the law, move to another state.

Women deserve the same rights to their bodily autonomy and decision in their lives over pregnancy all across the US. It shouldn't be dependent upon what state they are in. All of these anti-abortion laws also affect way more than just abortion and put women's lives/health in very real danger when they are pregnant.

 

[horse2H5]

Women deserve the same rights to their bodily autonomy and decision in their lives over pregnancy all across the US. It shouldn't be dependent upon what state they are in. All of these anti-abortion laws also affect way more than just abortion and put women's lives/health in very real danger when they are pregnant.

The supreme court disagrees with you.

 

[horse2H5]

Yes it is allowed. As it is in most of the world including most US states. A lot of countries have that 12 week cut off

And you are aware that is not a clump of cells correct?

 

[Dragon]

And you are aware that is not a clump of cells correct?

It is still a featus. No viable outside the womb. And again - women are not incubators and should not be forced to risk THEIR health and lives

And it is still far from sentient

16–18 weeks gestation: The brain starts forming neural connections (synapses), particularly in the sensory areas. By this time, primitive reflexes, like the startle response, may occur, but these are largely spinal reflexes rather than conscious brain activity.

 

[horse2H5]

It is still a featus. No viable outside the womb. And again - women are not incubators and should not be forced to risk THEIR health and lives

And it is still far from sentient

16–18 weeks gestation: The brain starts forming neural connections (synapses), particularly in the sensory areas. By this time, primitive reflexes, like the startle response, may occur, but these are largely spinal reflexes rather than conscious brain activity.

I would like to see a national law to make sure the mother sees a picture of her womb before making the decision. This may be happening in some states. But I could show this picture to any 5 year old and they would know it is a baby.

 

[Dragon]

I would like to see a national law to make sure the mother sees a picture of her womb before making the decision. This may be happening in some states. But I could show this picture to any 5 year old and they would know it is a baby.

You keep talking about the right of the featus. What about the right of the woman. In Texas a woman can be forced to carry her rapist child to term and he can even get visitation rigths! Where are the rights of the woman in this ?

 

[coldseat]

The supreme court disagrees with you.

Yes, and they're wrong. The conservatives on the Supreme Court used their religious beliefs to take away rights from women.

 

[horse2H5]

You keep talking about the right of the featus. What about the right of the woman. In Texas a woman can be forced to carry her rapist child to term and he can even get visitation rigths! Where are the rights of the woman in this ?

She is not forced to do anything. She can go to New Mexico for example.

 

[Dragon]

She is not forced to do anything. She can go to New Mexico for example.

Have you even followed the laws in Texas - then you would know that if she did that she would be procecuted in Texas. So you are wrong

 

[TampaJoe]

You keep talking about the right of the featus. What about the right of the woman. In Texas a woman can be forced to carry her rapist child to term and he can even get visitation rigths! Where are the rights of the woman in this ?

Prior to viability, it most definitely should be the mother’s decision and her decision alone. Unless we are willing to say that human life begins at conception and that life has the same due process rights as any living and breathing human being, the woman has every right to make decisions about her own health and wellbeing. The folks who believe human life begins at conception, have every right to think and promote laws that reflect their belief system. However, this country isn’t prepared to grant full constitutional rights to an embryo.

My wife is conservative. Unlike me, She voted for Trump. And she believes as I do on this issue. She has every right to control decisions regarding her health and wellbeing being just as I have. I believe most people in this country have similar beliefs. Those who favor unrestricted abortion are in the minority and those who want an abortion ban are also in the minority. In my personal opinion, our time would be better spent working together to prevent unwanted pregnancies therefore negating the need for abortions in the first place.

 

[horse2H5]

Have you even followed the laws in Texas - then you would know that if she did that she would be procecuted in Texas. So you are wrong

Can you give me something to read on this?

 

[horse2H5]

Prior to viability, it most definitely should be the mother’s decision and her decision alone. Unless we are willing to say that human life begins at conception and that life has the same due process rights as any living and breathing human being, the woman has every right to make decisions about her own health and wellbeing. The folks who believe human life begins at conception, have every right to think and promote laws that reflect their belief system. However, this country isn’t prepared to grant full constitutional rights to an embryo.

My wife is conservative. Unlike me, She voted for Trump. And she believes as I do on this issue. She has every right to control decisions regarding her health and wellbeing being just as I have. I believe most people in this country have similar beliefs. Those who favor unrestricted abortion are in the minority and those who want an abortion ban are also in the minority. In my personal opinion, our time would be better spent working together to prevent unwanted pregnancies therefore negating the need for abortions in the first place.

Obviously you don't have to answer, but did you vote for Harris? I respect if you don't want to discuss.

 

[TampaJoe]

Obviously you don't have to answer, but did you vote for Harris? I respect if you don't want to discuss.

I did not.

 

[Dragon]

Can you give me something to read on this?

Google is your friend