What happens to the Democratic Party now? (5 Viewers)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[Optimus Prime]

Putting this here and I agree 100%

Slightly off topic for the thread maybe, but I think the Democrats need to be very loudly and clearly saying that these agencies are essential, that they will need to be and shall be rebuilt, that it will be expensive, and that they'll do everything they can to ensure those profiting from their destruction pay for their rebuilding.

And they need to repeat that message, non stop, every day. They need to establish a narrative; that this is destruction, which will need to be repaired, and those responsible will be paying for it.

Otherwise, the competing narrative, that it's "efficiency" that saves "the taxpayer" money will win out, regardless of truth, and rebuilding will be framed as "inefficiency" and "the return of big government" that costs "the taxpayer".

 

[Neworleansfan]

This thread dropping to the bottom of the page seems fitting. Except for a few, they are all spineless right now.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

This thread dropping to the bottom of the page seems fitting. Except for a few, they are all spineless right now.

What would you have them do differently?

 

[Neworleansfan]

What would you have them do differently?

Obstruct. Go out there and be louder. Tell us how you plan to win back the house and senate in 2026 and what are you going to do when you win them back. Have a plan.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Obstruct. Go out there and be louder.

That will accomplish nothing.

Tell us how you plan to win back the house and senate in 2026 and what are you going to do when you win them back. Have a plan.

That will be up to the voters and that will require voters to look outside themselves. They will have to set aside their personal agendas and focus on getting back to a sense of normalcy or this tug of war will continue. Remember this President was elected to office with more than half the voters voting for someone other than him.

Some Democratic voters were so worried about shirt that was happening overseas and some fell victim to their failure to comprehend the root causes to inflation that they failed to vote for the Democratic nominee. You'd thought they learned their lesson in 2016, but yet, here we are.

 

[Neworleansfan]

That will accomplish nothing.

That will be up to the voters and that will require voters to look outside themselves. They will have to set aside their personal agendas and focus on getting back to a sense of normalcy or this tug of war will continue. Remember this President was elected to office with more than half the voters voting for someone other than him.

Some Democratic voters were so worried about shirt that was happening overseas and some fell victim to their failure to comprehend the root causes to inflation that they failed to vote for the Democratic nominee. You'd thought they learned their lesson in 2016, but yet, here we are.

Not more than 1/2. More like Less than 1/3. The rest don’t care to vote because they feel like neither parties have made their lives any better. Other couldn’t vote because they have to work. The D need to figure out house to reach those people. I would bet that most of those folks lives below or right at the edge of the middle classes. They are built-in D constituents.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Not more than 1/2. More like Less than 1/3. The rest don’t care to vote because they feel like neither parties have made their lives any better. Other couldn’t vote because they have to work. The D need to figure out house to reach those people. I would bet that most of those folks lives below or right at the edge of the middle classes. They are built-in D constituents.

I said half the voters! Trump received 49% of the votes cast, 51% voted for someone other than him.

You are right about one thing though, voter turnout was only 63%, 3 points lower than the 2020 election.

 

[FullMonte]

What would you have them do differently?

Sadly, one of the "best" options for the dems is to sit back and let the government continue to implode, and later this year (and early next year) begin pointing out how bad this "Trump is GOD" experiment has been for the country.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Sadly, one of the "best" options for the dems is to sit back and let the government continue to implode, and later this year (and early next year) begin pointing out how bad this "Trump is GOD" experiment has been for the country.

Agreed. This is going to take decades for the D's to clean up this Republican mess. They have a lot of practice doing so, but this time they are going to have a bigger problem than "clean-up in aisle 7", this is going to be a full rebuild of agencies that were designed to protect and service the people.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Here's an article from the New York Times about how Denmark is maintaining a center left government during a time of anti-incumbent sentiment and more conservative governments everywhere (see Germany, US and likely Canada). The key difference the author hypothesizes is Denmark has maintained a stricter immigration policy than those other countries. @Dragon might be able to comment.

How Denmark’s Social Democrats Are Succeeding With Stricter Immigration Policies

Around the world, progressive parties have come to see tight immigration restrictions as unnecessary, even cruel. What if they’re actually the only way for progressivism to flourish?

www.nytimes.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Tim Walz says he may run for president in 2028 despite failure of Harris campaign

‘If the circumstances are right, in 2028...I’ll do it,’ the former Democrat VP hopeful said

www.independent.co.uk

 

[RobF]

Agreed. This is going to take decades for the D's to clean up this Republican mess. They have a lot of practice doing so, but this time they are going to have a bigger problem than "clean-up in aisle 7", this is going to be a full rebuild of agencies that were designed to protect and service the people.

It occurred to me that they should do an alternative to the 'savings' of "DOGE": a running tracker of the estimated costs of fixing the damage, that is, rehiring, training, rebuilding lost expertise, renewing expired leases, etc., etc. Substantiate it all (unlike the 'savings').

Gives an idea of how big the mess being made is, and would encourage the media to keep reporting that narrative, because it has a nice simple figure that'll keep getting bigger.

 

[Dragon]

Here's an article from the New York Times about how Denmark is maintaining a center left government during a time of anti-incumbent sentiment and more conservative governments everywhere (see Germany, US and likely Canada). The key difference the author hypothesizes is Denmark has maintained a stricter immigration policy than those other countries. @Dragon might be able to comment.

How Denmark’s Social Democrats Are Succeeding With Stricter Immigration Policies

Around the world, progressive parties have come to see tight immigration restrictions as unnecessary, even cruel. What if they’re actually the only way for progressivism to flourish?

www.nytimes.com

In the 1980s and 1990s, Denmark saw a significant increase in immigration. However, as a previously homogeneous country, we were unprepared for the measures needed to support those seeking refuge. This lack of preparation led to challenges, as many newcomers were unfamiliar with Danish laws and customs. As a result, they often settled in enclaves with limited interaction with the surrounding communities, making integration more difficult.

Once these issues became evident, policies were adjusted. As I mentioned in another thread, it is extremely difficult to live illegally in Denmark due to our personal ID system, which is essential for nearly all aspects of life—banking, taxes, education, housing, utilities, and healthcare. Over the past decade, the use of this ID has expanded significantly.

At the same time, the approach to integrating immigrants and asylum seekers was overhauled. Instead of merely providing room and board while their cases were processed, asylum seekers were required to participate in courses on the Danish language and cultural norms. Those granted asylum received assistance in finding employment. To prevent the formation of ghettos, laws were introduced to set quotas for non-native residents in public housing. Studies showed that mixed communities significantly improved integration.

Additionally, some refugees were granted "temporary refugee status" with the expectation that they would return home once the crisis that caused their displacement had ended. To support this, the Danish government provided a resettlement stipend, helping them secure housing and reestablish themselves upon return.

Overall, these measures have been highly successful. The number of immigrants—and particularly their children—who integrate successfully into Danish society has risen sharply. Today, they form an integral and valuable part of our community.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Agreed. This is going to take decades for the D's to clean up this Republican mess. They have a lot of practice doing so, but this time they are going to have a bigger problem than "clean-up in aisle 7", this is going to be a full rebuild of agencies that were designed to protect and service the people.

and the only way for that to happen is for the Dems to not only win and win across the board but win huge

Just winning the back the House and Senate and the White House won't be enough

If they flip a few house seats and have a 50 or 51 majority in the Senate the only lesson MAGA is going to learn is that they need to double and triple down, and they'll soon take back control, and when MAGA forks everything up again there'll be a slight swing back to Dems and it'll be wash, rinse and repeat

There needs to be a total rejection of MAGA and the modern GOP (and that rejection needs to last several election cycles)

That means 60+ Senators and a huge margin in the house

That means flipping districts that have voted red since Nixon was president, that means flipping districts that usually go red by 70%+

That means no 3rd party voting or protest votes, that means getting the no votes off their arses

In the midterms that means no "I'm not voting for President so I can go red"

That means in 2028 no "Trump isn't on the ballot so I can vote GOP"

That means people who've voted republican their whole lives need to vote blue, that means getting people whose parents would disown them if they voted democrat to vote democrat

I don't know if that will happen in the numbers that it needs to

 

[Saint Jack]

and the only way for that to happen is for the Dems to not only win and win across the board but win huge

Just winning the back the House and Senate and the White House won't be enough

If they flip a few house seats and have a 50 or 51 majority in the Senate the only lesson MAGA is going to learn is that they need to double and triple down, and they'll soon take back control

There needs to be a total rejection of MAGA and the modern GOP

That means 60+ Senators and a huge margin in the house

That means flipping districts that have voted red since Nixon was president, that means flipping districts that usually go red by 70%+

That means no 3rd party voting or protest votes, that means getting the no votes off their arses

That means people who've voted republican their whole lives to vote blue, that means people who's parents would disown them if they voted democrat to vote democrat

I don't know if that will happen in the numbers that it needs to

I don’t see a GOP candidate that has the cult of personality to carry a Republican candidate to will allow them to act/speak like Trump in 2028 or 2032.

 

[Saint Jack]

If anything, and I’m saying this assuming the Dems win in 28.
The GOP is gonna do a rebuild to whitewash the Trump era.

 

[CajuninVA]

I don’t see a GOP candidate that has the cult of personality to carry a Republican candidate to will allow them to act/speak like Trump in 2028 or 2032.

I question the cult of personality at this point. It is being conditioned to own the libs and drink their tears. The members of the idiocracy will continue to vote against their interests just to be spiteful.

 

[Saint Jack]

I question the cult of personality at this point. It is being conditioned to own the libs and drink their tears. The members of the idiocracy will continue to vote against their interests just to be spiteful.

I have to push back. Just a bit.
You’re always gonna have that solid Republican base.
But the GOP isn’t gonna have another candidate where people will buy hats and shirts like Trump does.
JD Vance’s picture isn’t gonna be hanging next to Bear Bryant in an elderly couple’s home like Trump.