Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

He knows the Rs wanted nothing to do with it. If they accepted a spot on the commitee, they would be censored faster than they could blink. But its easier to ignore it then cry foul...

 

[DaveXA]

Why are you always incapable of holding Republicans responsible for what they do? An independent commission where Pelosi gave Republican everything they asked for wass all set to go through. It was rejected by Republicans in the Senate (and most in the House) because they didn't want any accountability. Then Pelosi set up the House investigation in which again, she acquiesced to Republican's demands except for allowing 2 sedition caucus members on the panel. McCarthy used that to pull all of the members because they did not want any accountability.

Even with all of that Republican ducking and hiding, Democrats along with Cheney and Kinzinger have done a masterful job of presenting a fact based clear cut investigation into the Jan 6th insurrection. But here you are complaining about how Democrats "got it wrong again".

Yeah, this was 100% on Republicans refusing to participate for their own political posturing reasons and had nothing to do with how the committee was set up. Anyone pointing fingers at the Democrats regarding the committee either hasn't been paying attention or willfully ignorant.

 

[brandon]

Even after the laughable January 6th hearing

If you thought it was laughable, then you didn't watch it, or you only watched the Fox News cuts, or you're (possibly willingly) incapable of understanding what you saw.

 

[bdb13]

Why are you always incapable of holding Republicans responsible for what they do? An independent commission where Pelosi gave Republican everything they asked for wass all set to go through. It was rejected by Republicans in the Senate (and most in the House) because they didn't want any accountability. Then Pelosi set up the House investigation in which again, she acquiesced to Republican's demands except for allowing 2 sedition caucus members on the panel. McCarthy used that to pull all of the members because they did not want any accountability.

Even with all of that Republican ducking and hiding, Democrats along with Cheney and Kinzinger have done a masterful job of presenting a fact based clear cut investigation into the Jan 6th insurrection. But here you are complaining about how Democrats "got it wrong again".

Exactly. Being so partisan as to not see or acknowledge the truth here in this situation or, worse, being so corrupt that you knowingly obfuscate by lying and twisting the truth is wholy telling as to where one's allegiances actually reside.

This shirt with Trump is defining and those proudly on the wrong side of it are ringing the bell and telling us that they don't give a fork about the system.

 

[SaintForLife]

There is one example of how we know the constant claims about the threat to democracy or that our democracy is in danger from the Democrats are complete BS.

As of September, The Democrats have spent $53 million in support of Republican election deniers. If our democracy was in threat of ending if these types of Republicans are elected, why in the world are the Democrats spending millions supporting them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/12/democrats-interfere-republican-primaries/

Democrats Spend $46 Million to Expose ‘Satanic’ Election Deniers — and More

Republican candidates for the typically sleepy office of secretary of state are being hit by a $46 million barrage of ads highlighting their support for conspiracy theories, claims of demonic possession and attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[SaintForLife]

Exactly, being a member of the Sedition Caucus is an automatic disqualifier!

Boxer delays presidential vote count with protest / Senator,...

California Sen. Barbara Boxer, expressing regret for failing to act after the contested...

www.sfgate.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

There is one example of how we know the constant claims about the threat to democracy or that our democracy is in danger from the Democrats are complete BS.

As of September, The Democrats have spent $53 million in support of Republican election deniers. If our democracy was in threat of ending if these types of Republicans are elected, why in the world are the Democrats spending millions supporting them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/12/democrats-interfere-republican-primaries/

Democrats Spend $46 Million to Expose ‘Satanic’ Election Deniers — and More

Republican candidates for the typically sleepy office of secretary of state are being hit by a $46 million barrage of ads highlighting their support for conspiracy theories, claims of demonic possession and attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

www.bloomberg.com

The theory is that if you are running against a bat shirt crazy dangerous opponent it will be much easier to win the general election

When it first happened many here (myself included) said we didn’t agree with the approach, said it was dangerous, stupid, hypocritical and could easily backfire

When our side does something like this we call them out on it (recently with letter to negotiate with Russia)

We tend not to circle the wagons and pretend that it’s perfectly fine and acceptable

Feel free to post any responses you've made where you come down on what the right has said or done (and Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Hogan etc. doesn't count)

I’ll admit I’m not a fan of this tactic

Even if it works it’s shady and it might backfire and you might lose
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If the Democratic Party is to be believed, the coming midterm elections will herald the most radical field of right wing Republican candidates to ever run for office.

President Joe Biden summed up his party’s pitch ahead of the November 2022 vote when he called the MAGA movement “the most extreme political organisation that’s existed in American history.”

So why, then, are Democrats trying so hard to help them win?

Across the country, in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Illinois, Democratic groups are bankrolling political ads to bolster fringe Republican candidates. The aim of that support is to elevate extreme GOP candidates over their moderate rivals during primary season, with the expectation that they will be easier to beat in a general election.

Among the candidates being promoted by Democrats are Doug Mastriano, a Pennsylvania state senator running for governor who worked to overturn the 2020 election and even chartered buses to the US Capitol on January 6.

Then there is Dan Cox, Republican gubernatorial candidate for Maryland, who has pushed the same election fraud falsehoods. Larry Hogan, the departing GOP governor, called Cox “a “conspiracy-theory-believing QAnon whack-job.”

In Arizona, GOP candidate Kari Lake said she would not have certified Joe Biden’s victory in Arizona, as she was required to do by law, and has repeatedly spread falsehoods about the 2020 election. She, too, is receiving help from Democrats.

It’s a bold but risky strategy, as former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton can attest. During the GOP primary campaign in 2016, her team spoke often of their ideal match-up against an inexperienced wild card named Donald Trump…….

Why Democrats are helping some of the most extreme Republicans to ever run for office

Democrats are once again employing a controversial strategy to boost extremist Republican candidates in primary campaigns. Experts say they’re “playing with fire.”

www.independent.co.uk

Horrible tactic that will backfire. They should be doing the opposite: supporting moderate Republicans in unwinnable states.

Yeah, if you take that approach and end up with a GOP full of extremists, what do you think their endgame is going to be? Nothing short of the complete destruction of the American government. I mean, 1/6 is gonna be a walk in the park if that happens. But yet again, Democrats are going to find a way to fork up the majority support they should have.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

There is one example of how we know the constant claims about the threat to democracy or that our democracy is in danger from the Democrats are complete BS.

As of September, The Democrats have spent $53 million in support of Republican election deniers. If our democracy was in threat of ending if these types of Republicans are elected, why in the world are the Democrats spending millions supporting them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/12/democrats-interfere-republican-primaries/

Democrats Spend $46 Million to Expose ‘Satanic’ Election Deniers — and More

Republican candidates for the typically sleepy office of secretary of state are being hit by a $46 million barrage of ads highlighting their support for conspiracy theories, claims of demonic possession and attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

www.bloomberg.com

because they want the idiots to jump ship from the normal Rs to cause a split and lose all together. Are you saying thats a bad strategy? If you get the dim whitted to vote for the suckers who don't stand a chance, then it helps your candidate win easier..

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Boxer delays presidential vote count with protest / Senator,...

California Sen. Barbara Boxer, expressing regret for failing to act after the contested...

www.sfgate.com

imagine if they got their supporters to attack the building where they were trying to do this to stop the certificationa all together and use violence to do it. Imagine if they created a team of fake electors to sababtage this to undermine democracy...

 

[MT15]

There is one example of how we know the constant claims about the threat to democracy or that our democracy is in danger from the Democrats are complete BS.

As of September, The Democrats have spent $53 million in support of Republican election deniers. If our democracy was in threat of ending if these types of Republicans are elected, why in the world are the Democrats spending millions supporting them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/12/democrats-interfere-republican-primaries/

Democrats Spend $46 Million to Expose ‘Satanic’ Election Deniers — and More

Republican candidates for the typically sleepy office of secretary of state are being hit by a $46 million barrage of ads highlighting their support for conspiracy theories, claims of demonic possession and attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

www.bloomberg.com

These ads in “support” were pointing out that the candidates supported conspiracy theories and were election deniers. If you think ads promoting their radical views are “support” then that’s more a indictment of how stupid the R base is than anything else. If the radical candidate wins the R primary even though their extreme views were exposed by democrats, how is that the democrats fault?

If the democrats ran misleading ads, trying to make those candidates more palatable to reasonable people, then that would be awful.

I still didn’t particularly like the strategy but there wasn’t anything underhanded about it.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

...As of September, The Democrats have spent $53 million in support of Republican election deniers. If our democracy was in threat of ending if these types of Republicans are elected, why in the world are the Democrats spending millions supporting them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/12/democrats-interfere-republican-primaries/

Democrats Spend $46 Million to Expose ‘Satanic’ Election Deniers — and More

Republican candidates for the typically sleepy office of secretary of state are being hit by a $46 million barrage of ads highlighting their support for conspiracy theories, claims of demonic possession and attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

www.bloomberg.com

Completely agree about the DNC's support of Republican Radicals!!!

It's a stupid play by the DNC to prop up those types of candidates instead of finding candidates that would appeal to Independents and to whatever reasonable Republicans that are still left in those districts. All the DNC did was reinforce the belief of those that support those clowns that their support is indeed warranted!

 

[bdb13]

There is one example of how we know the constant claims about the threat to democracy or that our democracy is in danger from the Democrats are complete BS.

As of September, The Democrats have spent $53 million in support of Republican election deniers. If our democracy was in threat of ending if these types of Republicans are elected, why in the world are the Democrats spending millions supporting them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/12/democrats-interfere-republican-primaries/

Democrats Spend $46 Million to Expose ‘Satanic’ Election Deniers — and More

Republican candidates for the typically sleepy office of secretary of state are being hit by a $46 million barrage of ads highlighting their support for conspiracy theories, claims of demonic possession and attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

www.bloomberg.com

Democrats being dumbfucks and pathetically doing something like that holds no sway over the reality as to what occurred regarding Trump and the 2020 election.

You simply don't care and it's either because your partisanship is at a level where you do not allow your mind to go there and as such you don't know what you're talking about or alternatively you do understand but believe that Democrats' possession of power represents a greater evil than the attempted coup itself.

I tend to believe that you do know, and so I'd go with option b.

 

[brandon]

The theory is that if you are running against a bat shirt crazy dangerous opponent it will be much easier to win the general election

When it first happened many here (myself included) said we didn’t agree with the approach, said it was dangerous, stupid, hypocritical and could easily backfire

When our side does something like this we call them out on it (recently with letter to negotiate with Russia)

We tend not to circle the wagons and pretend that it’s perfectly fine and acceptable

Feel free to post any responses you've made where you come down on what the right has said or done (and Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Hogan etc. doesn't count)

Yep. Count me in that number, as well. I get the idea in theory, but in practice it's reckless.

So yea, @SaintForLife, where's your break with the Republican party on anything of substance?

 

[SaintForLife]

Democrats being dumbfucks and pathetically doing something like that holds no sway over the reality as to what occurred regarding Trump and the 2020 election.

You simply don't care and it's either because your partisanship is at a level where you do not allow your mind to go there and as such you don't know what you're talking about or alternatively you do understand but believe that Democrats' possession of power represents a greater evil than the attempted coup itself.

I tend to believe that you do know, and so I'd go with option b.

It wasn't an attempted coup no matter how many times anyone says it. There wasn't any kind of support for a coup inside the government. Even the joke of the January 6th committee showed that. Pence was giving the military orders and they followed them. If you don't have the support of the military, police or some other coercive arms of the government then its not a coup.

Trump was so delusional that he actually thought he could get the election results overturned despite what his advisors told him. He had zero support to execute a coup.

The Democrats financially supporting Republican election deniers shows you they don't even believe their own Democracy is at risk shtick.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

So, there is NO proof of these fake electors?
Also, a coup doesn't have to be done from the inside or have support from within.The ones who stormed the capitol attempted a coup. they failed miserably but that doesn't mean it wasn't attempted...

 

[bdb13]

It wasn't an attempted coup no matter how many times anyone says it. There wasn't any kind of support for a coup inside the government. Even the joke of the January 6th committee showed that. Pence was giving the military orders and they followed them. If you don't have the support of the military, police or some other coercive arms of the government then its not a coup.

Trump was so delusional that he actually thought he could get the election results overturned despite what his advisors told him. He had zero support to execute a coup.

The Democrats financially supporting Republican election deniers shows you they don't even believe their own Democracy is at risk shtick.

He didn't have nearly enough of the support likely necessary to pull it off, but that's largely irrelevant to the idea of whether or not a coup was attempted. The fact that it was an unorganized mess of an attempt by Trump and his merry band of clowns doesn't then mean that it wasn't an attempt at all and doesn't mean there weren't other people in power who were willing to give it a go as well.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

It wasn't an attempted coup no matter how many times anyone says it. There wasn't any kind of support for a coup inside the government. Even the joke of the January 6th committee showed that. Pence was giving the military orders and they followed them. If you don't have the support of the military, police or some other coercive arms of the government then its not a coup.

Ahem!!!

President Trump
Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.)
Sen. Josh Hawley (Mo.)
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.)
Sen. Ron Johnson (Wis.)
Sen. James Lankford (Okla.)
Sen. Cynthia M. Lummis (Wyo.)
Sen. Tommy Tuberville (Ala.)
Sen. Steve Daines (Mont.)
Sen. John Neely Kennedy (La.)
Sen. Bill Hagerty (Tenn.)
Sen. Mike Braun (Ind.)
Sen. Roger Marshall (Kan.)
Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (Ms.)
Sen. Rick Scott (Fl.)

These are all members of the government and they all took part of seditious actions leading up to an on Jan 6. I didn't list the House because that would be venturing into TL/DR territory! Also, just because I agreed with you on Dems "support" for Radical Republicans, doesn't mean that I agree that the Dems actually support them and if you believe that they do then .

 

[DaveXA]

It wasn't an attempted coup no matter how many times anyone says it. There wasn't any kind of support for a coup inside the government. Even the joke of the January 6th committee showed that. Pence was giving the military orders and they followed them. If you don't have the support of the military, police or some other coercive arms of the government then its not a coup.

Trump was so delusional that he actually thought he could get the election results overturned despite what his advisors told him. He had zero support to execute a coup.

The Democrats financially supporting Republican election deniers shows you they don't even believe their own Democracy is at risk shtick.

I'm just gonna chalk it up to willful ignorance then. Meh.