Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

This might be relevant if Trump didn't control the GOP.

 

[DaveXA]

That's some hilarious sheet right there.

 

[SaintForLife]

That's some hilarious sheet right there.

Even after the laughable January 6th hearing independents still think the Democrats are a greater threat to democracy. It think it's funny too because the Democrats have nothing else to run on and their shtick ain't working.

 

[DaveXA]

Even after the laughable January 6th hearing independents still think the Democrats are a greater threat to democracy. It think it's funny too because the Democrats have nothing else to run on and their shtick ain't working.

There's nothing laughable about attempting to overthrow an election, which was in essence a coup attempt. The hearings are not only necessary, but a bulwark against the tyranny of a minority who used the threat of violence as a means to try and remove duly elected officials by force. Or do you happen to think the people chanting "Hang Pence" was just a figment of our imagination, and what we saw that day was somehow fake news? Calling Democrats the greater threat to democracy is absurd on it's face. And fwiw none of the independents I know think that.

The Democrats have issues with how they're running their election campaigns, sure, but that's not what's being debated here.

 

[SaintForLife]

There's nothing laughable about attempting to overthrow an election, which was in essence a coup attempt. The hearings are not only necessary, but a bulwark against the tyranny of a minority who used the threat of violence as a means to try and remove duly elected officials by force. Or do you happen to think the people chanting "Hang Pence" was just a figment of our imagination, and what we saw that day was somehow fake news? Calling Democrats the greater threat to democracy is absurd on it's face. And fwiw none of the independents I know think that.

The Democrats have issues with how they're running their election campaigns, sure, but that's not what's being debated here.

The Democrats had a chance to have a legitimate hearing, but they choose to have a one sided Russian style show trial(how ironic) which will never have any credibility. One can be against the violence on January 6th, but also see through the Democrats over hyping what happened and the threat.

I've said it before, but since anything that doesn't go along with the narrative is seen as support for what happened on the 6th. Prosecute anyone who broke laws, committed violence and who may have been involved in any kind of planning for any illegal activities. It was a horrible day, but it was a riot that got way of hand especially involving the despicable Oath Keepers crowd. It wasn't a coup.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Democrats had a chance to have a legitimate hearing, but they choose to have a one sided Russian style show trial(how ironic) which will never have any credibility.

Unlike the dignified proceedings that would have occurred had Jim Jordan been involved

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Blah... It was a horrible day, but it was a riot that got way of hand especially involving the despicable Oath Keepers crowd. It wasn't a coup.

Yeah, it was just a bunch of ANTIFA nuts spreading shirt on the walls, pissing the floors, ransacking offices, searching for lawmakers to execute and marching the forking rebel flag through our Capitol!

 

[SaintForLife]

Unlike the dignified proceedings that would have occurred had Jim Jordan been involved

Jim Jordan is a clown, but by making it a one sided committee it doesn't have any credibility.

 

[Taurus]

Jim Jordan is a clown, but by making it a one sided committee it doesn't have any credibility.

But it isn't one-sided. It includes Republicans and many more were invited but declined. So your entire premise is false.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

But it isn't one-sided. It includes Republicans and many more were invited but declined. So your entire premise is false.

Add to that, NEARLY ALL of the testimony has come from Republicans that worked for Trump and I say nearly because the political affiliation of the LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS that testified is not known.

 

[MT15]

Jim Jordan is a clown, but by making it a one sided committee it doesn't have any credibility.

It’s “one-sided” (not really, but let’s go with it) because McCarthy pulled his members out when Pelosi refused 2 election deniers membership (Jordan and Banks). There were other credible Rs that were accepted, but McCarthy pulled all of them out in a fit of pique. So then Pelosi asked Cheney and Kinzinger to join and they agreed. No need to rewrite history here to blame Dems.

McCarthy should have known better than to nominate 2 who were proponents of overturning the election to this committee. He should have nominated serious people only. And when Pelosi denied those 2 - who would have turned the hearings into a circus - he could have nominated 2 other Rs. But he didn’t.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

McCarthy should have known better than to nominate 2 who were proponents of overturning the election to this committee. He should have nominated serious people only. And when Pelosi denied those 2 - who would have turned the hearings into a circus - he could have nominated 2 other Rs. But he didn’t.

Exactly, being a member of the Sedition Caucus is an automatic disqualifier!

 

[efil4]

The Democrats had a chance to have a legitimate hearing, but they choose to have a one sided Russian style show trial(how ironic) which will never have any credibility. One can be against the violence on January 6th, but also see through the Democrats over hyping what happened and the threat.

I've said it before, but since anything that doesn't go along with the narrative is seen as support for what happened on the 6th. Prosecute anyone who broke laws, committed violence and who may have been involved in any kind of planning for any illegal activities. It was a horrible day, but it was a riot that got way of hand especially involving the despicable Oath Keepers crowd. It wasn't a coup.

Over hyping eh?

How exactly is insurrectionist calling for Pence to be hung while in the halls of the Capitol, or Pelosi, getting on phones telling the operator to tell them we coming for them, SS ushering folks out, others with weapons drawn, over hpye?

Chrissakes dude. You have some serious issues.

 

[bdb13]

Trump apologists are often willing to 'condemn the violence on January 6th' but are too cowardly and/or morally corrupt to acknowledge the coup.

 

[DaveXA]

The Democrats had a chance to have a legitimate hearing, but they choose to have a one sided Russian style show trial(how ironic) which will never have any credibility. One can be against the violence on January 6th, but also see through the Democrats over hyping what happened and the threat.

I've said it before, but since anything that doesn't go along with the narrative is seen as support for what happened on the 6th. Prosecute anyone who broke laws, committed violence and who may have been involved in any kind of planning for any illegal activities. It was a horrible day, but it was a riot that got way of hand especially involving the despicable Oath Keepers crowd. It wasn't a coup.

I didn't say it was a coup, I said it was a coup attempt. It was clearly a planned attempt to thwart the will of the electorate who clearly spoke and elected Biden. There was never a question who the winner was.

As for being legitimate, there were 2 Republicans on the committee. And the rest of the Republican Party wanted nothing to do with it, so, their refusal to acknowledge it's legitimacy doesn't make it illegitimate. It's simply sour grapes and refusal to acknowledge that Trump was complicit in allowing the riot to happen.

The "Russian style" comment is just forking ridiculous from you. I watched the hearings, and I thought it was presented well, and made clear how screwed up that day was and who was actually involved. There's absolutely no justification for it. The courts, including judges appointed by Trump have found numerous people guilty of a variety of charges and many have and are serving time for their crimes.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at Republicans attempting to discredit the committee, even when there's absolutely no reason to. They can't help themselves because they love Trump more than their party.

 

[MT15]

Great post - the only thing I would add is that they love Trump more than they love their country as well.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

The Democrats had a chance to have a legitimate hearing, but they choose to have a one sided Russian style show trial(how ironic) which will never have any credibility. One can be against the violence on January 6th, but also see through the Democrats over hyping what happened and the threat.

I've said it before, but since anything that doesn't go along with the narrative is seen as support for what happened on the 6th. Prosecute anyone who broke laws, committed violence and who may have been involved in any kind of planning for any illegal activities. It was a horrible day, but it was a riot that got way of hand especially involving the despicable Oath Keepers crowd. It wasn't a coup.

Just so i understand you correctly. You are saying no Republicans were offered a spot on the commitee that declined?

 

[coldseat]

The Democrats had a chance to have a legitimate hearing, but they choose to have a one sided Russian style show trial(how ironic) which will never have any credibility. One can be against the violence on January 6th, but also see through the Democrats over hyping what happened and the threat.

I've said it before, but since anything that doesn't go along with the narrative is seen as support for what happened on the 6th. Prosecute anyone who broke laws, committed violence and who may have been involved in any kind of planning for any illegal activities. It was a horrible day, but it was a riot that got way of hand especially involving the despicable Oath Keepers crowd. It wasn't a coup.

Why are you always incapable of holding Republicans responsible for what they do? An independent commission where Pelosi gave Republican everything they asked for wass all set to go through. It was rejected by Republicans in the Senate (and most in the House) because they didn't want any accountability. Then Pelosi set up the House investigation in which again, she acquiesced to Republican's demands except for allowing 2 sedition caucus members on the panel. McCarthy used that to pull all of the members because they did not want any accountability.

Even with all of that Republican ducking and hiding, Democrats along with Cheney and Kinzinger have done a masterful job of presenting a fact based clear cut investigation into the Jan 6th insurrection. But here you are complaining about how Democrats "got it wrong again".