Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[cuddlemonkey]

This happened before over and over when Obama tried to compromise with them. He would compromise in hopes to get something done, (R) would dig their heels in and rake him over the coals regardless. (D) needs to wake up and realize there is no compromise with those people.

Every. Single. Time. They negotiate until they get a watered-down version, then vote against it and claim they are protecting Americans from the socialist agenda. It's pathetic.

 

[Optimus Prime]

not sure if this was better here or n the arrest thread
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PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them or at least engender some sympathy.

Lawyers for at least three defendants charged in connection with the violent siege tell The Associated Press that they will blame election misinformation and conspiracy theories, much of it pushed by then-President Donald Trump, for misleading their clients.

The attorneys say those who spread that misinformation bear as much responsibility for the violence as do those who participated in the actual breach of the Capitol.

“I kind of sound like an idiot now saying it, but my faith was in him,” defendant Anthony Antonio said, speaking of Trump. Antonio said he wasn’t interested in politics before pandemic boredom led him to conservative cable news and right-wing social media. “I think they did a great job of convincing people.”..........

Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation

Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them in court or at least produce some sympathy.

apnews.com

 

[DaveXA]

 

[JRad]

“For the 73% of Republicans who blame left wing…”
This is also the lead to voting down the commission

 

[bird]

not sure if this was better here or n the arrest thread
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PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them or at least engender some sympathy.

Lawyers for at least three defendants charged in connection with the violent siege tell The Associated Press that they will blame election misinformation and conspiracy theories, much of it pushed by then-President Donald Trump, for misleading their clients.

The attorneys say those who spread that misinformation bear as much responsibility for the violence as do those who participated in the actual breach of the Capitol.

“I kind of sound like an idiot now saying it, but my faith was in him,” defendant Anthony Antonio said, speaking of Trump. Antonio said he wasn’t interested in politics before pandemic boredom led him to conservative cable news and right-wing social media. “I think they did a great job of convincing people.”..........

Defense for some Capitol rioters: election misinformation

Falsehoods about the election helped bring insurrectionists to the Capitol on Jan. 6, and now some who are facing criminal charges for their actions during the riot hope their gullibility might save them in court or at least produce some sympathy.

apnews.com

He thinks he sounds like an idiot now? He was an idiot all along for believing almost anything that fell out of Trump’s mouth. The guy was a serial liar his whole life.

 

[DaveXA]

“For the 73% of Republicans who blame left wing…”
This is also the lead to voting down the commission

Yep.

 

[nolaspe]

How she is still allowed to practice law is beyond me...

Sidney Powell Claims Trump 'Can Simply Be Reinstated'

Trump "should definitely get the remainder of his term and make the best of it," the attorney said Saturday at a "For God & Country Patriot Roundup" conference in Dallas.

www.newsweek.com

 

[nolaspe]

Flynn is unhinged...

 

[bdb13]

Flynn is unhinged...

Setting the tone so that next time their freedom fighters will know they're not to stop short of the goal as they're supported in the endeavor as demonstrated by tacit and explicit support from members of both the previous Administration and presently serving congressional Republicans.

 

[Saintman2884]

He thinks he sounds like an idiot now? He was an idiot all along for believing almost anything that fell out of Trump’s mouth. The guy was a serial liar his whole life.

Oh, there were a lot of idiots who believed, and still do, every idiotic, mindless, unsubstantiated, blustering claim, or comment that Trump has said since he declared his intention to run for office in mid-2015, but the vast overwhelming majority still decided it was dumber, and more of a suicidal mission to try and storm the Capitol and disrupt the Electoral College certification vote on Jan. 6, but once they heard about the insurrection, some of them cheered the rioters on from the sidelines sitted in front of their LCD TV screens while others might've been shocked that the QA'non, MAGA-culters actually had the balls or the audacity to try and attempt what they'd been preaching or screaming since 2017.

I think after the AP and other MSM outlets called the presidential race for Biden, for the next two months, most of national political focus was centered around who would win the two Ga. Senate runoff races and therefore controlled the Senate and Trump's refusal to concede he'd lost. True to Trump's megalmaniacal, malignant narcisstic nature to be the center of attention, he arguably helped lose those two Ga. Senate runoffs, sure Warnock likely wouldve beaten Loeffler again, but Perdue had Ossoff beat, not handedly, but if Trump hadn't interjected himself into the equation and made every single stop in Ga. for two months about the "Big Lie" and me, me,me,me, and allowed Perdue to run his own re-election campaign, GOP still control the Senate 51-49.

How many times did we, as Americans, from early Nov. to early January, see that fat, orange madre frocker show up in Georgia and not even bother to go through the motions campaigning for Perdue and Loeffler? They were grievance, "temper tantrum" sessions for him. Loeffler and Perdue couldn't say or really do anything like politely tell him to fork off, because he double-down on his threats to urge his followers in Ga. not to vote for them in the runoffs and if they did happen to say something respectfully equivalent to such a sentiment, Trump would probably just ignore them anyway.

But, I don't believe that MSM or social media couldve foreseen Jan. 6 happening, sure, the signs were there, in all hindsight, the right-wing lunatics, fanatical far-right militias but aside from the 2017 Charlottesville incident, Trump's words, rhetoric, comments and their affiliations with white supremacist hate groups, conspiracy theorists, far-right Proud Boys, Oath Keepers meeting in the middle for a violent, winner-takes-all sort of clash. Sure, there was Michigan last year and the plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer and her family, but the kidnapping plot failed miserably and those armed men who came carrying rifles and weapons to Ann Arbor to protest the state's Covid-19 regulations didnt turn anywhere near as violent as the January 6 insurrection.

It was almost as if many journalists, media commentators believed that it didnt matter whether Trump conceded his election loss or not, he lost and we pretty much didn't have to worry about what he or subtly suggested to his base anymore and that he wouldn't be so desperate to try what he did. I got that sense certainly around Christmas, shortly after New Years Day

 

[Saintman2884]

Setting the tone so that next time their freedom fighters will know they're not to stop short of the goal as they're supported in the endeavor as demonstrated by tacit and explicit support from members of both the previous Administration and presently serving congressional Republicans.

And then of course, Flynn had the audacity to claim he never made those comments he clearly on video says, in full seriousness and certainly not in a tone or expression where he can later claim his comments "were taken out of context".

His attempts to backtrack are amusing in of themselves, because they reveal he probably didn't think there were any freelance reporters, journalists with video or audio equipment in that Omni hotel ballroom and once he found out his comments were made public, he did the whole " Inego Montoya" defense and pretends we're stupid act because he knows how dangerous and treasonous those words and rhetoric is and how its going to be portrayed, de-constructed, and debated by critical MSM analysts and used against him and others.

 

[MT15]

That conference actively rooted out journalists. The ones who reported on what was said were deeply undercover. If they suspected a person was a journalist, they were escorted off the property.

 

[superchuck500]

How she is still allowed to practice law is beyond me...

Sidney Powell Claims Trump 'Can Simply Be Reinstated'

Trump "should definitely get the remainder of his term and make the best of it," the attorney said Saturday at a "For God & Country Patriot Roundup" conference in Dallas.

www.newsweek.com

Trump apparently is telling people that he expects to be "reinstated" . . . by August, according to NYT White House reporter Maggie Haberman.

 

[SFIDC3]

That conference actively rooted out journalists. The ones who reported on what was said were deeply undercover. If they suspected a person was a journalist, they were escorted off the property.

That this is going on is no surprise. Qanon should be classified as a domestic terrorist threat if they aren't already....and Flynn should be behind bars, I can't believe openly talking about a violent coup is "protected speech"....

 

[DaveXA]

That this is going on is no surprise. Qanon should be classified as a domestic terrorist threat if they aren't already....and Flynn should be behind bars, I can't believe openly talking about a violent coup is "protected speech"....

People talk about a lot of things. Are we going to police every suggestive comment people make? He was saying he thinks it should happen, but he never states that he thinks it will happen or let's go make it happen. It's a subtle but real difference. What he said was outrageous, but not illegal.

 

[coldseat]

People talk about a lot of things. Are we going to police every suggestive comment people make? He was saying he thinks it should happen, but he never states that he thinks it will happen or let's go make it happen. It's a subtle but real difference. What he said was outrageous, but not illegal.

That's really no different than what Trump did to incite the Jan 6th instruction. They're going down the same path. At some point, this needs to be stopped forcefully or it will continue to fester until there's more political violence, and it won't take long.

These people have proven they're not living in reality. There's no action that goes to far for them.
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[Saintamaniac]

Oh, there were a lot of idiots who believed, and still do, every idiotic, mindless, unsubstantiated, blustering claim, or comment that Trump has said since he declared his intention to run for office in mid-2015, but the vast overwhelming majority still decided it was dumber, and more of a suicidal mission to try and storm the Capitol and disrupt the Electoral College certification vote on Jan. 6, but once they heard about the insurrection, some of them cheered the rioters on from the sidelines sitted in front of their LCD TV screens while others might've been shocked that the QA'non, MAGA-culters actually had the balls or the audacity to try and attempt what they'd been preaching or screaming since 2017.

Every single last one of them were terrorist attacking this country. Had they been middle easterners or black, every single last one of them would have been shot, wounded and/or killed.

 

[DaveXA]

That's really no different than what Trump did to incite the Jan 6th instruction. They're going down the same path. At some point, this needs to be stopped forcefully or it will continue to fester until there's more political violence, and it won't take long.

These people have proven they're not living in reality. There's no action that goes to far for them.
.

It was much, much different. Trump literally told them to go to the Capitol and fight like hell. They took the hint. Flynn suggested they should do it, but I don't think he was necessarily telling anyone to actually do anything. So no, not the same thing.