Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[Farb]

Hundreds of people with crude weapons and bear mace conspired to overrun cops and barricades to storm the U.S. capitol in order to stop the electoral process from happening. The federal government that was attacked negotiated a bipartisan commission to investigate how it happened. Your party -- whose politics now largely align with the attackers -- has now convinced you that the commission that *they helped create* is a partisan endeavor with no other purpose but to win votes. In your mind, do you leave room for any possibility that they're the ones that are acting in bad faith?

What is my party, the republicans?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Thanks for keeping this civil and not personal. Very mature of you.....well done....

Feel free to discuss this with me or you can give the canned answer written by the media pundits if you prefer, that seems to the easiest (besides personal attacks of course, but you seem to be proficient with those).

I was told just a few months ago that 7 or 9 people were killed because of the riots. I stated that this was not true, but then I was told I was a <insert menacing music> "Qanon"- the phantom menace, conspiracy theorist.
I remember the left, the same ones that compare cops to slave hunters and racist executioners, holding up the officer that was.........checking notes..... "beat to death with a fire extinguisher" by terrorists as a patriot and a martyr against white supremacy.

So, now the only death cause by the bloody insurrection, that we lovingly call the '6th', is of an unarmed woman with video that shows verbal commands were not issued. No body cam footage released. No disclosure of the officers name that murdered an unarmed female. If I have learned anything from watching all the 'murders' of unarmed black males, the information of the officer should be released to the public and soon.

At some point, after just about every media talking point falls apart after some time and then the media makes everyone pivot from the original narrative, people would look back and realize they were wrong and manipulated? I just don't see that or do I understand it. They constantly move the goal post on you all and you just accept it and don't even question it why your original talking points that you defended with such vigor are now not validate and you have defend a new narrative.

So, you think she was justified in attempting to attack the ones who were holding the barricaded door?
You don't think the shooter was afraid for his life after witnessing that many people storm the capitol and attack other officers?
What do you think her end game was by breaking and attempting to climb through a window at a gov't building while they were trying to certify an presidential election.
Would you have the same argument if an Antifa protester was breaking through a window in the white house with a mob of people. especially if Trump was present?

 

[TaylorB]

What is my party, the republicans?

Well it's not crucial to my point, but since you're asking, yes

I consider myself a republican out of necessity.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Its a shame she served as a patriot, but died a traitor.

 

[SFIDC3]

Thanks for keeping this civil and not personal. Very mature of you.....well done....

Feel free to discuss this with me or you can give the canned answer written by the media pundits if you prefer, that seems to the easiest (besides personal attacks of course, but you seem to be proficient with those).

I was told just a few months ago that 7 or 9 people were killed because of the riots. I stated that this was not true, but then I was told I was a <insert menacing music> "Qanon"- the phantom menace, conspiracy theorist.
I remember the left, the same ones that compare cops to slave hunters and racist executioners, holding up the officer that was.........checking notes..... "beat to death with a fire extinguisher" by terrorists as a patriot and a martyr against white supremacy.

So, now the only death cause by the bloody insurrection, that we lovingly call the '6th', is of an unarmed woman with video that shows verbal commands were not issued. No body cam footage released. No disclosure of the officers name that murdered an unarmed female. If I have learned anything from watching all the 'murders' of unarmed black males, the information of the officer should be released to the public and soon.

At some point, after just about every media talking point falls apart after some time and then the media makes everyone pivot from the original narrative, people would look back and realize they were wrong and manipulated? I just don't see that or do I understand it. They constantly move the goal post on you all and you just accept it and don't even question it why your original talking points that you defended with such vigor are now not validate and you have defend a new narrative.

You have gone off the deep end and need help....I mean WTF are you even talking about....the media didn't manipulate anything here, everyone saw what happened. You can't "whataboutthis" away....hard as you try....

 

[MT15]

The idea that Babbitt is the victim here is gaslighting. And she was most definitely not the only one who died that day. A woman was crushed to death, another person suffered a fatal heart attack, one cause I cannot remember and a police officer died unexpectedly after collapsing immediately after the insurrection. Another police officer has brain trauma and suffered at least one cardiac event due to being tazed multiple times with his own tazer. A police officer lost a finger and another one lost an eye. All in all 140 police officers were injured significantly. Shame on you for trivializing it.

Farb, you calling this violent insurrection an “unguided tour” is a sign that you are becoming radicalized, IMO. Calling the officer who was forced to shoot Babbitt a murder cop is another sign. Please read the tweets from the man above who went through this himself. Try to pull yourself out of this spiral into radical thinking.

 

[Farb]

The idea that Babbitt is the victim here is gaslighting. And she was most definitely not the only one who died that day. A woman was crushed to death, another person suffered a fatal heart attack, one cause I cannot remember and a police officer died unexpectedly after collapsing immediately after the insurrection. Another police officer has brain trauma and suffered at least one cardiac event due to being tazed multiple times with his own tazer. A police officer lost a finger and another one lost an eye. All in all 140 police officers were injured significantly. Shame on you for trivializing it.

Farb, you calling this violent insurrection an “unguided tour” is a sign that you are becoming radicalized, IMO. Calling the officer who was forced to shoot Babbitt a murder cop is another sign. Please read the tweets from the man above who went through this himself. Try to pull yourself out of this spiral into radical thinking.

This was almost a decent reply until you went religious on me and tried to save my 'radical' soul. Can we all agree to stop with these overt personal attacks disguised as compassion and empathy? It does absolutely nothing to help with the conversation. I know it makes you feel better and you feel like you slipped one under the shield but it really only makes you look silly and childish.

Originally, it was 7 to 9 people killed in the 'insurrection'. One cop was beat to death. Even then I pushed back because the video clearly showed this not happening. There were reports/articles that were ignored by the media (for the most part) proving this was not the case but the marching orders issued. Now, 4 months later it turns out the only person to die directly by the insurrection was an unarmed civilian. I am a radical now because I want some answers from a group that has not been forth coming with accurate and reliable information?

Why won't they release the officers name? In every other case of officer involved shooting, that information is supplied fairly quickly. What is the difference here?

 

[Farb]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/extr...olice-officers-vandalize-businesses-set-fires

Is this also classified as an insurrection? Or not because it was at night....like one of Biden's guys said?

 

[V Chip]

Originally, it was 7 to 9 people killed in the 'insurrection'.

Who "originally" said that?

5 people died during the insurrection. Not "just one."

 

[Optimus Prime]

weren't there a couple suicides too not long afterwards? I thought I had heard that

 

[DaveXA]

weren't there a couple suicides too not long afterwards? I thought I had heard that

There was one for sure that I'm aware of.

 

[MT15]

Farb, whether you believe it or not, I’m sincere. I wasn’t trying to slip anything under any radar. Your takes on current events are becoming ever more radical. It’s an observation, my personal one. Won’t happen again.

You say “the video” but there are dozens if not hundreds of videos. Most show the incredible violence that the mob did that day. You’re still trivializing it.

Babbitt was irrational, she charged into a perimeter against orders. I heard a verbal command on one video and I also heard her get warned by one of her companions that there was a gun drawn.

Whatever. Did it ever occur to you that they are concealing the officer’s name to save him from the folks that want him dead? Alt right media is whipping up the crowd still, to this day, and they are capable of extreme violence.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/extr...olice-officers-vandalize-businesses-set-fires

Is this also classified as an insurrection? Or not because it was at night....like one of Biden's guys said?

“An attack simply on government property at night or any other kind of circumstances is a clear crime and a serious one and should be punished,” Garland responded. “I don’t mean, I don’t know enough about the facts of the example you’re talking about, but that’s where I draw the line when it one is, both are criminal, but one is a core attack on our democratic institutions.”

Do you agree with that statement? Were they criminals? and if they are, why are they criminals and not the insurrectionists?
And were they trying to overthrow an election certification keeping the rightfully elected president from taking office?

Also, can you answer this: If Antifa stormed the White House, would you call it an issurection? If some Antifa members were killed in the attempt, would you say they deserved it?

 

[DaveXA]

This was almost a decent reply until you went religious on me and tried to save my 'radical' soul. Can we all agree to stop with these overt personal attacks disguised as compassion and empathy? It does absolutely nothing to help with the conversation. I know it makes you feel better and you feel like you slipped one under the shield but it really only makes you look silly and childish.

Originally, it was 7 to 9 people killed in the 'insurrection'. One cop was beat to death. Even then I pushed back because the video clearly showed this not happening. There were reports/articles that were ignored by the media (for the most part) proving this was not the case but the marching orders issued. Now, 4 months later it turns out the only person to die directly by the insurrection was an unarmed civilian. I am a radical now because I want some answers from a group that has not been forth coming with accurate and reliable information?

Why won't they release the officers name? In every other case of officer involved shooting, that information is supplied fairly quickly. What is the difference here?

Source regarding the 7 to 9 killed? That was never reported by any of the major news organizations that I'm aware of. A large number of Capitol Police suffered a range of injuries, one died of a heart attack which was triggered during the attack. One other committed suicide shortly after the attack. At least 3 other people, including the lady who was shot and killed, all died at the scene.

I don't know where you're getting your news, but these facts are widely available and will likely be confirmed by the ongoing investigations into this. There have already been charges and a number of the rioters remain jailed pending their court cases.

Iirc, the cop who shot Babbit has already been adjudicated and was ruled a justified use of force to defend himself and the Congress people he was charged with protecting. I'm not sure why his name hasn't been made public. It could understandably be for security reasons, but I'm not certain as to the reason. I've seen the video of that shooting several times and it looked justified to me. That part of the Capitol was sealed off for good reason. The doors were barricaded and they were warned that they would be shot if they attempted to breach the barrier. The cop did his job. I don't blame him a bit.

People get hurt in riots/mobs, and this was no exception.

 

[Farb]

Source regarding the 7 to 9 killed? That was never reported by any of the major news organizations that I'm aware of. A large number of Capitol Police suffered a range of injuries, one died of a heart attack which was triggered during the attack. One other committed suicide shortly after the attack. At least 3 other people, including the lady who was shot and killed, all died at the scene.

I don't know where you're getting your news, but these facts are widely available and will likely be confirmed by the ongoing investigations into this. There have already been charges and a number of the rioters remain jailed pending their court cases.

Iirc, the cop who shot Babbit has already been adjudicated and was ruled a justified use of force to defend himself and the Congress people he was charged with protecting. I'm not sure why his name hasn't been made public. It could understandably be for security reasons, but I'm not certain as to the reason. I've seen the video of that shooting several times and it looked justified to me. That part of the Capitol was sealed off for good reason. The doors were barricaded and they were warned that they would be shot if they attempted to breach the barrier. The cop did his job. I don't blame him a bit.

People get hurt in riots/mobs, and this was no exception.

Oh, I have no problem with the cop shooting her, if verbal commands were given. From the video I have seen, they were not.
Did she deserve to die, I don't think so, but it very could be justified. I just don't see the press screeching for accountability on this one.

The media at first, lumped some suicides into the total. Everyone that died that day, besides the unarmed white girl, was not because of violence. That is like saying if someone died of a heart attack in the stands at a football game because of the excitement then they really died because of the violent nature of football. The cop dies of a stroke, and no blunt trauma.

 

[DaveXA]

Oh, I have no problem with the cop shooting her, if verbal commands were given. From the video I have seen, they were not.
Did she deserve to die, I don't think so, but it very could be justified. I just don't see the press screeching for accountability on this one.

The media at first, lumped some suicides into the total. Everyone that died that day, besides the unarmed white girl, was not because of violence. That is like saying if someone died of a heart attack in the stands at a football game because of the excitement then they really died because of the violent nature of football. The cop dies of a stroke, and no blunt trauma.

You think the cop who died would have died anyway? I'm skeptical of that. I suspect he had a heart attack because of the stress he was under that day. It's an assumption yes, but you're making your own assumption as well. One of the people who died was due to being crushed by the crowd of people. If you don't think that's due to the violence of the crowd, then that's your prerogative, but it seems like a safe assumption to make that the crowd caused her death.

And you haven't addressed the numerous officers who were injured. They were clearly attacked by a number of people and had a bunch or crap thrown at them.

Not to mention the chanting and yelling that they need to hang Pence and others in the Capitol at the time. I don't understand why you seem to think the attack on the Capitol wasn't a big deal.

 

[Dragon]

Oh, I have no problem with the cop shooting her, if verbal commands were given. From the video I have seen, they were not.
Did she deserve to die, I don't think so, but it very could be justified. I just don't see the press screeching for accountability on this one.

The media at first, lumped some suicides into the total. Everyone that died that day, besides the unarmed white girl, was not because of violence. That is like saying if someone died of a heart attack in the stands at a football game because of the excitement then they really died because of the violent nature of football. The cop dies of a stroke, and no blunt trauma.

your Analogy is horrible. There are plenty of videos out there showing what the capitol police went through that day. So you compare the exitement of a football game to what happened that day. Police beat down with flagpoles, crushed, mazed, and surrounded by angry mobs shouting "kill him" ???

https://wjla.com/news/local/i-got-kids-dc-police-officer-begs-for-his-life-in-newly-released-capitol-attack-video0

You compare THIS to watching a football game??

 

[B4YOU]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/extr...olice-officers-vandalize-businesses-set-fires

Is this also classified as an insurrection? Or not because it was at night....like one of Biden's guys said?

No. It’s a destructive protest.

Your view on Jan 6th is just skewed. It’s was an attempt to prevent the peaceful transfer of power from Trump to Biden at the behest of Trump. It was a failed coup attempt. Those involved who entered the Capitol committed sedition.

The Capitol is a secure federal building housing national security intel and elected leaders. A seditious mob never should have been allowed to enter the doors of the building. The shooting should have started once the barricades were beached and the mob tried to enter the exterior doors and windows.

Republicans held hearings on Benghazi and Hillary’s emails. A violent mob of Republican seditionist broke into the national Capitol to overthrow an election and stole items including a computer from the Office of the Speaker. Elected Republicans want to block hearings because it’s bad for their election chances. That entire party is now a national threat.