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    Former President D. Trump has been indicted by a New York Grand Jury. There will be much to talk about on this topic because this is just the first step in a lengthy process.
    Possibly it is worthy of its own thread here rather than posting about Trump's indictment in already existing threads? :unsure:
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    This 3/31/23 story might get the ball rolling....
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    www.yahoo.com

    Manhattan’s DA wanted a Friday Trump arrest. Trump’s team said no.

    Secret Service needed more time to prepare, according to the ex-president’s legal team.
    www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
     
    MT15 said:
    I’m not the only one who thinks Cannon should be impeached:

    www.alternet.org

    Conservative legal scholar calls for impeachment of Judge Cannon: 'Member of the Trump defense team'

    A leading member of a conservative think tank is now calling for US District Judge Aileen Cannon — the Trump-appointed judge overseeing the former president's classified documents trial — to be impeached.In a response to the news Thursday evening that Judge Cannon was refusing to set a key...
    www.alternet.org www.alternet.org
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    The problem with impeachment her is I would imagine they would have to start the whole case over again, making it near impossible to complete prior to the election. No win situation at this point.
     
    Former president Donald Trump’s lawyers say they may use evidence suggesting that Trump had a high-level security clearance as recently as last year to bolster their defense that the former president was acting in “good-faith and non-criminal states of mind” when he took sensitive documents from the White House to his Florida residence after leaving office.

    The revelation came in a legal filing late Tuesday night in which Trump’s attorneys urged Judge Aileen M. Cannon — who is overseeing Trump’s federal trial in Florida for allegedly mishandling classified documents — to force prosecutors to produce more information about the evidence they have about the former president. A “motion to compel discovery” is a standard part of pre-trial legal proceedings.

    In the 65-page filing, Trump’s lawyers disclosed some of the defenses they plan to use in the case, one of four criminal trials Trump is facing. They asked for communication between prosecutors and the Biden administration, which they said could show that the indictment against Trump is politically motivated, and they argued that prosecutors must show more evidence that Trump damaged national security by possessing the documents.

    Among the more specific possible defenses: Lawyers for Trump say he had an active security clearance years after leaving the White House, based on a government document from June 2023 that still listed him with a “Q” clearance from the Department of Energy. The document was dated a few weeks after prosecutors indicted Trump in the case. He faces 40 counts related to willful retention of national defense information; obstruction, withholding or altering of documents; and making false statements, and has pleaded not guilty.

    Trump attorney Todd Blanche first publicly referred to the "Q" clearance at a November court hearing in Florida, saying he had learned Trump “continued to have an active clearance” when prosecutors turned over the Department of Energy documentation as part of what is known as Brady material — evidence that prosecutors must share with defense lawyers that could be helpful to the defense.

    In the latest filing, Trump’s attorneys suggested they still do not know the entirety of what the Department of Energy filing entails and asked the judge to force prosecutors to provide more information about the “Q” clearance. The term refers to a type of security clearance handled by the agency, whose classified information focuses largely on nuclear secrets. It became popular in right-wing conspiracy circles because of the movement known as QAnon, which originated during Trump’s presidency and centers on made-up claims circulated by a person known as “Q”, who supporters claimed had that level of clearance.

    Trump’s attorneys did not suggest that they believed the clearance would allow Trump to store highly classified material at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida home and private club. Rather, they said it speaks to his state of mind and shows that he was acting in good faith when he stored the materials at his personal residence...........



     
    any opinions on this opinion piece? apparently one of the authors of the article is a former federal prosecutor and the other is Harvard legal scholar

    slate.com

    Judge Aileen Cannon Is Quietly Sabotaging the Trump Classified Documents Case

    Judge Cannon has learned all the wrong lessons from her first, legally untenable pro-Trump ruling of September 2022.
    slate.com slate.com
    "Cannon's move is part of an existing pattern of her "laying the groundwork for delaying Trump’s trial—until it’s too late for a jury to be empaneled and the case tried to verdict before the election."
     
    zztop said:
    any opinions on this opinion piece? apparently one of the authors of the article is a former federal prosecutor and the other is Harvard legal scholar

    slate.com

    Judge Aileen Cannon Is Quietly Sabotaging the Trump Classified Documents Case

    Judge Cannon has learned all the wrong lessons from her first, legally untenable pro-Trump ruling of September 2022.
    slate.com slate.com
    "Cannon's move is part of an existing pattern of her "laying the groundwork for delaying Trump’s trial—until it’s too late for a jury to be empaneled and the case tried to verdict before the election."
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    I think a lot of legal experts believe this is happening. She’s not being very subtle about it.
     
    zztop said:
    hmm but I wonder if it is for deliberate, nefarious reasons...
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    Today's order seems pretty clear to me. She literally (as I understand it) told the Special Prosecutor's office to stop providing discovery evidence to the defense.
     
    FullMonte said:
    Today's order seems pretty clear to me. She literally (as I understand it) told the Special Prosecutor's office to stop providing discovery evidence to the defense.
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    That was Judge Chutken in the DC case. The order was issued because the case is on hold pending appeal.

    www.cnn.com

    Judge tells special counsel to stop submitting court filings in DC Trump election subversion case for now | CNN Politics

    Federal Judge Tanya Chutkan told special counsel Jack Smith to stop submitting court filings without her permission in the 2020 election subversion case against Donald Trump, after the former president’s legal team complained that proceedings were supposed to be on hold.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

    They were discussing Judge Cannon in the documents case in Florida.
     
    I suppose she can’t get in trouble for this - but at least can she be spreading Covid among the Trump party? (kidding, I don’t want anyone to get it, really).

     
    You know who else was at the Trump “victory” party? lol.

     
    Judge Arthur Engoron — who is overseeing proceedings in former President Donald Trump's civil fraud trial in New York — may be considering a harsher-than-expected penalty for Trump as he prepares to issue a final ruling in the bench trial.

    The Daily Beast recently reported that Engoron was alarmed by a New York Times article from earlier this month about Allen Weisselberg, who was the former chief financial officer for the Trump Organization, planning to plead guilty to perjury for allegedly lying on the stand.

    "As the presiding magistrate, the trier of fact, and the judge of credibility, I of course want to know whether Mr. Weisselberg is now changing his tune, and whether he is admitting he lied under oath in my courtroom at this trial," Engoron wrote in an email on Monday. "I do not want to ignore anything in a case of this magnitude."

    Engoron added that he may use Weisselberg's alleged perjury as "a basis to invoke falsus in uno," in reference to the term "falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus," which is Latin for "false in one thing, false in everything." This suggests that Engoron may disregard Weisselberg's entire testimony during the civil fraud trial as untruthful and use that to inform his final judgment.

    New York Attorney General Letitia James is seeking up to $370 million in "disgorgement" penalties related to Trump allegedly inflating the value of his real estate assets to obtain preferential tax and insurance rates. She also is aiming to have Trump and his adult children banned from serving as officers in any New York-based company for at last five years. A massive penalty is a near-certainty, as Engoron already ruled that Trump committed "widespread fraud" in financial filings submitted to the state. That decision was later upheld by a New York appeals court.............


    www.alternet.org

    'Lied under oath in my courtroom': Judge Engoron email suggests massive penalty for Trump

    Judge Arthur Engoron — who is overseeing proceedings in former President Donald Trump's civil fraud trial in New York — may be considering a harsher-than-expected penalty for Trump as he prepares to issue a final ruling in the bench trial.The Daily Beast recently reported that Engoron was...
    www.alternet.org www.alternet.org
     
    Cannon has made another dangerous ruling. I think it’s time for Smith to appeal to the 11th Circuit and ask for her removal.

     
    MT15 said:
    Cannon has made another dangerous ruling. I think it’s time for Smith to appeal to the 11th Circuit and ask for her removal.

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    Cannon is obviously corrupt. Let's hope Smith isn't a coward, which he hasn't appeared to be so far.
     

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