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    What will happen now that former President Donald Trump was found guilty (in 34 counts) by the jury?
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    Speculation on the judge relating to sentencing?
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    Appeals?
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    Political Damage?
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    Trump found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records. Here's a breakdown.

    A New York jury unanimously found Donald Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, a stunning conclusion to the historic trial of the former president.
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    Optimus Prime said:
    On his way into the Manhattan courtroom where he is being tried on 34 felony charges, former president Donald Trump on Tuesday spoke to reporters about another of his indictments, the one obtained by special counsel Jack Smith in Florida related to Trump’s possession of documents with classification markings.

    “You probably saw last night that Jack Smith got caught with his hand in the cookie jar,” Trump said as part of a lengthy excoriation of prosecutors and President Biden. “It was released late last night, and it’s a big story. The documents case is a hoax created by them for election interference purposes. And so that one looks like it’s going asunder. A brilliant judge saw some facts and — I haven’t read what was revealed yet, it just came out. But the document hoax is indeed — it is indeed a hoax.”

    If there was a big story about the documents case released Monday night, it escaped the notice of much of the traditional media. But there is a rumor rumbling around the right-wing media universe in which Biden and officials in his administration are accused of framing Trump on the Florida allegations. And, as is often the case with rumors that course through that universe, the claim being made is obviously not true.

    This one was first elevated by Julie Kelly, a right-wing commentator whose efforts generally focus on defenses of individuals charged with participating in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. On Saturday morning, she shared a snippet of a court filing on social media.

    “WELL WELL WELL I am pretty sure we never heard this part of the ‘classified documents/box’ story!” she wrote. Referring to an image of text, she asserted that an “FBI agent says [General Services Administration] was holding large quantity of Trump’s boxes in VA and then ordered his team to come get them. I am sure NOTHING hanky [sic] happened there …”

    The image, which doesn’t identify the speaker, references “six pallets of items, boxes I believe” that the GSA contacted Trump’s post-presidential office about having shipped. In a subsequent post, Kelly posted an image from an interview with someone identified as “Person 10,” in which that individual indicated that they’d seen a pallet with bankers’ boxes — like those featured in photos from Mar-a-Lago.

    “So an entire pallet full of boxes that had been held by GSA somewhere outside of DC is dumped at Mar-a-Lago,” Kelly wrote. “Apparently these are the boxes that ended up containing papers with ‘classified markings.’”

    Off the allegation went. The right-wing website ZeroHedge picked it up, as did filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza. A narrative was born.

    Before we assess the validity of the claim, it’s important to point out that even if Kelly’s presentation were accurate, the result would not be to exonerate Trump. The boxes mentioned in Kelly’s post were delivered to Mar-a-Lago in mid-September 2021. It wasn’t until January 2022 that material was shipped back to the National Archives after Trump (according to the indictment) personally went through the material.

    Understanding that not everything had been returned, the Justice Department obtained a warrant demanding the return of anything with classification markings, regardless of whether they were still classified. Trump failed to do so. When the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, it found material marked as classified in a storage room and Trump’s office.

    None of those subsequent issues are dependent on how the material got to Mar-a-Lago, nor are the issues in the superseding indictment focused on an alleged effort to keep the government from obtaining surveillance footage.

    But, again, Kelly’s story is false.

    It’s not clear what document she was posting images from; she didn’t link it in her social media posts. There was an excerpt of the interview with Person 10 released last week, but it doesn’t include the discussion of pallets. It does, however, make obvious who was being interviewed: an employee of Trump’s post-presidential office who began working there in July 2021. That employee was at the center of another discovery of documents marked as classified several months after the Mar-a-Lago search.

    The interview with Person 10, though, doesn't matter. What matters is why there were pallets of material in Virginia and how they got to Mar-a-Lago. And we already know the answer to that, because The Washington Post reported on it in December 2022...............



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    its not false, its alternative facts..
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    On his way into the Manhattan courtroom where he is being tried on 34 felony charges, former president Donald Trump on Tuesday spoke to reporters about another of his indictments, the one obtained by special counsel Jack Smith in Florida related to Trump’s possession of documents with classification markings.

    “You probably saw last night that Jack Smith got caught with his hand in the cookie jar,” Trump said as part of a lengthy excoriation of prosecutors and President Biden. “It was released late last night, and it’s a big story. The documents case is a hoax created by them for election interference purposes. And so that one looks like it’s going asunder. A brilliant judge saw some facts and — I haven’t read what was revealed yet, it just came out. But the document hoax is indeed — it is indeed a hoax.”

    If there was a big story about the documents case released Monday night, it escaped the notice of much of the traditional media. But there is a rumor rumbling around the right-wing media universe in which Biden and officials in his administration are accused of framing Trump on the Florida allegations. And, as is often the case with rumors that course through that universe, the claim being made is obviously not true.

    This one was first elevated by Julie Kelly, a right-wing commentator whose efforts generally focus on defenses of individuals charged with participating in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. On Saturday morning, she shared a snippet of a court filing on social media.

    “WELL WELL WELL I am pretty sure we never heard this part of the ‘classified documents/box’ story!” she wrote. Referring to an image of text, she asserted that an “FBI agent says [General Services Administration] was holding large quantity of Trump’s boxes in VA and then ordered his team to come get them. I am sure NOTHING hanky [sic] happened there …”

    The image, which doesn’t identify the speaker, references “six pallets of items, boxes I believe” that the GSA contacted Trump’s post-presidential office about having shipped. In a subsequent post, Kelly posted an image from an interview with someone identified as “Person 10,” in which that individual indicated that they’d seen a pallet with bankers’ boxes — like those featured in photos from Mar-a-Lago.

    “So an entire pallet full of boxes that had been held by GSA somewhere outside of DC is dumped at Mar-a-Lago,” Kelly wrote. “Apparently these are the boxes that ended up containing papers with ‘classified markings.’”

    Off the allegation went. The right-wing website ZeroHedge picked it up, as did filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza. A narrative was born.

    Before we assess the validity of the claim, it’s important to point out that even if Kelly’s presentation were accurate, the result would not be to exonerate Trump. The boxes mentioned in Kelly’s post were delivered to Mar-a-Lago in mid-September 2021. It wasn’t until January 2022 that material was shipped back to the National Archives after Trump (according to the indictment) personally went through the material.

    Understanding that not everything had been returned, the Justice Department obtained a warrant demanding the return of anything with classification markings, regardless of whether they were still classified. Trump failed to do so. When the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, it found material marked as classified in a storage room and Trump’s office.

    None of those subsequent issues are dependent on how the material got to Mar-a-Lago, nor are the issues in the superseding indictment focused on an alleged effort to keep the government from obtaining surveillance footage.

    But, again, Kelly’s story is false.

    It’s not clear what document she was posting images from; she didn’t link it in her social media posts. There was an excerpt of the interview with Person 10 released last week, but it doesn’t include the discussion of pallets. It does, however, make obvious who was being interviewed: an employee of Trump’s post-presidential office who began working there in July 2021. That employee was at the center of another discovery of documents marked as classified several months after the Mar-a-Lago search.

    The interview with Person 10, though, doesn't matter. What matters is why there were pallets of material in Virginia and how they got to Mar-a-Lago. And we already know the answer to that, because The Washington Post reported on it in December 2022...............



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    No, no you guys - a lady who did local "politics" before becoming a stay-home-mom and then having an online cooking show probably undid the Special Counsel of the United States by looking at some pictures on the internet.
     
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    superchuck500 said:
    No, no you guys - a lady who did local "politics" before becoming and stay-home-mom and then having an online cooking show probably undid the Special Counsel of the United States by looking at some pictures on the internet.
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    It makes as much sense as any of the other crazy conspiracies MAGA loves. 🤡

    Honestly, SFL must be on some sort of alert list. As soon as a crazy conspiracy hits the airwaves he’s on here breathlessly posting it. Within seconds, it seems, lol.
     
    The judge is having a second contempt hearing for four additional posts from Trump. Note that these were logged before last contempt hearing.

    Gag order hearing begins​

    Court is in session and beginning with the gag order hearing. Prosecutors argue the order was issued because of Trump's "persistent and escalating" rhetoric.

    What are the four alleged violations? Last week, the prosecution presented four alleged violations of the gag order. They included: Trump's comments about the jury being picked so quickly, Trump calling witness David Pecker "very nice," and Trump's comments about expected witness Michael Cohen, including calling him a "convicted liar" with no credibility during an interview.

    The prosecution argues that these comments are "corrosive" to the procedure and the "fair administration of justice."
     
    This is just after Merchan started today with additional gag order proceedings from last week. Prosecutors didn't ask for jail time to avoid delays...but at some point Merchan is gonna hand down a ruling.

    And I hope IT'S DELAYED INCARCERATION. which he can sentence him to jail POST TRIAL.

    he simply doesn't know when to shut up. Which, from a legal perspective, is a death knell.
     
    MT15 said:
    There is the possibility that his lawyer is lying to him.

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    From what I am reading, if Trump can claim after a conviction that he truly thought he was barred from testifying on his own behalf, it would be grounds for a mistrial. The judge has to nip this in the bud.
     
    MT15 said:
    From what I am reading, if Trump can claim after a conviction that he truly thought he was barred from testifying on his own behalf, it would be grounds for a mistrial. The judge has to nip this in the bud.
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    I thought all that was settled with the lies Sandoval hearing?
     
    MT15 said:
    This guy ….. 🤦‍♀️🤡. Seriously, sounds like someone’s lawyer found a way to convince him not to testify.

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    It brings a smile to my face every time he complains about the gag order and his unfair treatment. :ezbill:

    For once in his life, that dirtbag is subject to the same rules that everybody else would be subject to. Judge Merchan runs his court well.
     
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    efil4 said:
    I thought all that was settled with the lies Sandoval hearing?
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    Trump always has a right to testify in his own defense. If he claims he was denied that right it’s a mistrial. He is out there saying he’s not allowed to testify and his lawyer is nodding along. The judge needs to address this right away.
     
    MT15 said:
    Trump always has a right to testify in his own defense. If he claims he was denied that right it’s a mistrial. He is out there saying he’s not allowed to testify and his lawyer is nodding along. The judge needs to address this right away.
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    why its just his idiot followers that will believe it. he is not attacking anyone so he can call all the dumb crap he always says.
     
    MT15 said:
    This guy ….. 🤦‍♀️🤡. Seriously, sounds like someone’s lawyer found a way to convince him not to testify.

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    looks at his looser layer cringing inside so bad and sucking a lemon and having to do that toady yes man nod. Hope he tries to rise his fess after that. I ma sure he heard his career crashing int the ground like a boing jet.
     

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