Trump Election Interference / Falsification of Business Records Criminal Trial (Trump guilty on all 34 Counts) (4 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

What will happen now that former President Donald Trump was found guilty (in 34 counts) by the jury?
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Speculation on the judge relating to sentencing?
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Appeals?
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Political Damage?
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Trump found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records. Here's a breakdown.

A New York jury unanimously found Donald Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, a stunning conclusion to the historic trial of the former president.

www.yahoo.com

 

[LA - L.A.]

GSA worked with Trump's transition team before and after he left office.

That's the only part a jury will believe, because that's the only part that's true.

Everything else posted was false and it will be easily proven false during the trial, unless the Supreme Court kills the trial by granting Trump immunity or Trump wins the election before the trial starts and he kills the trial.

If one of those doesn't happen, the trial will show the truth, which is Trump intentionally took and tried to hide government documents he didn't have aright to have.

 

[superchuck500]

Okay, but I see you refrained from referencing the coordination with the Biden White House and Fani Willis office as well as the Biden White House coordinating with NARA long before they had claimed the investigation started. When you look at those two instances, Colangelo seems coordinated as well.

I didn’t talk about them because that’s not what we were talking about.

The Georgia election tampering case was opened in February 2021, which is just weeks after the phone calls where Trump pressured the GA secretary of state to alter or otherwise reject the election results. The moment those calls became public it was pretty obvious that there was going to be a criminal case - legal observers wrote op/eds about it. Again, I'm not sure how it is you think that a meeting at the White House taints the prosecution of criminal conduct that we all saw. I do know that its not uncommon for state and federal officials to discuss how a case might be prosecuted in order to not step on each other's toes. In legal circles it's called "comity". And given that the key suspects are the former president and his lawyers, clearly that's a matter that bears some discussion.

As to NARA, I'm not sure where you get your facts but you're just plain wrong about this timeline. In May 2021, NARA counsel Gary Stern contacted Trump counsel about the return of the records. The NARA communication noted that the material had been retained by the Trump team despite White House counsel's instructions that they be returned. NARA counsel also noted that he had already made similar requests to another Trump lawyer . . . and the email identified certain documents that NARA was particularly concerned about that remained in Trump's possession.

Trump's response to this? Nothing. According to the Washington Post, NARA counsel Gary Stern continued to request Trump return the material "through the Fall of 2021" and it wasn't until Stern indicated that federal law required him to notify Congress about the missing records that Trump agreed to return some of the boxes in 2022.

Tell me, please, how a September 2021 meeting with NARA's general counsel (Stern) and White House counsel about the former president's flat refusal to return classified material and other federal records despite requests made months ago is somehow a "smoking gun" of collusion? You do realize that the White House is the head of the Executive Branch? And certainly you also realize that NARA is an independent executive agency that reports directly to the White House (as opposed to some cabinet official)? And what's most ridiculous about this whole construct is that Stern's next move was not to refer for prosecution but to threaten to make report to Congress, which is what the statute calls for . . . if this was all a political plan hatched to "get Trump" in this smoking-gun meeting of September 2021, why where there several more rounds of requests to Trump before finally seeking a search warrant in August 2022?

The biggest problem with these sources you follow is that they don't know how anything works - they don't know how these offices operate based on their structures and missions. Ignorance breeds conspiracy.

Timeline of the Trump Documents Inquiry

A timeline of key events in the investigation into whether the former president mishandled classified documents

www.voanews.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/24/trump-records-archives-2021/

 

[efil4]

The biggest problem with these sources you follow is that they don't know how anything works - they don't know how these offices operate based on their structures and missions. Ignorance breeds conspiracy.

Nor does their audience. And they KNOW their audience will take NO TIME in investigating just how things work. They would rather take someone elses word for it, regardless of credentials. Then adopt the information as truth.

 

[MT15]

The biggest problem with these sources you follow is that they don't know how anything works

You might be too kind - I think they may know exactly, but choose to lie to rile up people like SFL.

 

[superchuck500]

You might be too kind - I think they may know exactly, but choose to lie to rile up people like SFL.

I don't know, I think many of them are genuinely ignorant - not necessarily that they aren't intelligent, they just don't know what they're talking about and are completely unbothered by that. I don't know much about Julie Kelly, she seems to have written a lot in the last six years - all from a very definite MAGA conspiracy slant, but I don't know what her background is. Has she ever worked in or around the federal government? Does she have a background in law or criminal investigations? Or journalism?

Here's her bio - I strongly suspect she doesn't have any formal background in any of this.

Julie Kelly is a cooking teacher and food writer. Her background is in political consulting in Illinois as a policy and communications advisor to many elected officials and candidates. After taking ten years off to be a full-time mom, she got back into politics then started teaching cooking classes out of her home. This led to a new interest in food policy, including GMOs, the organic industry, federal food programs and the American food system in general. Over the past year, she has been published in the Wall Street Journal, Chicago Tribune, Forbes, National Review Online, The Hill and Roll Call. She s a contributing writer for the Genetic Literacy Project. She lives in Orland Park, IL with her husband, John, and two daughters.

 

[superchuck500]

Per feed:

Trump fined for violating gag order​

Judge Merchan also just fined Trump for violating the gag order nine times, this pertains to all but one of the first 10 potential violations.

Trump is fined the maximum $1,000 for each violation, totaling $9,000.

Last week, prosecutors presented four additional potential violations. The judge has scheduled a hearing to discuss those on Thursday morning.

 

[superchuck500]

Per feed (also highlights the constant misrepresentation of this by right-wing media):

Trump can attend son Barron's graduation​

Judge Juan Merchan just announced that Trump can attend his son Barron's high school graduation on Friday, May 17.

Merchan says court has been moving along so it's "not a problem."

 

[MT15]

Per feed:

Trump fined for violating gag order​

Judge Merchan also just fined Trump for violating the gag order nine times, this pertains to all but one of the first 10 potential violations.

Trump is fined the maximum $1,000 for each violation, totaling $9,000.

Last week, prosecutors presented four additional potential violations. The judge has scheduled a hearing to discuss those on Thursday morning.

I also read he has until this afternoon to delete all 9 posts.

 

[efil4]

Per feed (also highlights the constant misrepresentation of this by right-wing media):

Trump can attend son Barron's graduation​

Judge Juan Merchan just announced that Trump can attend his son Barron's high school graduation on Friday, May 17.

Merchan says court has been moving along so it's "not a problem."

lol would have loved to see his face when that was handed down.

" i can go???!!....damn"

 

[MT15]

Also, Trump continued to whine about not being able to campaign, despite not using his off days to actually, um, campaign. Who can take this guy seriously?

 

[fooferdoggie]

Per feed (also highlights the constant misrepresentation of this by right-wing media):

Trump can attend son Barron's graduation​

Judge Juan Merchan just announced that Trump can attend his son Barron's high school graduation on Friday, May 17.

Merchan says court has been moving along so it's "not a problem."

How much you want to bet he goes campaigning instead?

 

[superchuck500]

How much you want to bet he goes campaigning instead?

I think he'll go to it - precisely because he sees it as a form of campaigning . . . one of the very few activities he ever does that voters also do. That and eating Big Macs.

Because good Lord knows it isn't about Baron.

 

[efil4]

How much you want to bet he goes campaigning instead?

it was a subtle, but effective move by Judge Merchan. Completely removed the "UNFAIR" narrative he was touting about missing sons graduation.

Now he has no choice BUT TO GO. IF he doesnt, it will get reported on and start to chip away at his ability to portray this trial as "unfair".

the move was brilliant imo.

 

[superchuck500]

it was a subtle, but effective move by Judge Merchan. Completely removed the "UNFAIR" narrative he was touting about missing sons graduation.

Now he has no choice BUT TO GO. IF he doesnt, it will get reported on and start to chip away at his ability to portray this trial as "unfair".

the move was brilliant imo.

I think it's important to avoid this idea that the judge is making moves against the defendant for public optics and national partisanship. The judge is managing the trial on a set schedule. The defendant asked for an accommodation that the judge declined at the onset, based on court's need to keep to the schedule. After it became clear that the schedule could accommodate the request, the judge allowed it. This kind of thing happens all the time in court in America . . . people are expected to be there but also they have lives and some things are considered important enough to be accommodated if that's possible.

I just think its really important to point out that most of this stuff is simply how its done. The judge is just being the judge - doing the things that judges do.

 

[DaveXA]

GSA worked with Trump's transition team before and after he left office. GSA stored massive amounts of records in boxes then informed transition team the boxes needed to be moved.

6 pallets of boxes were transported to Florida in August 2021--2 pallets went to Mar-a-Lago and 4 went to a storage facility in Palm Beach.

There is no question many of these boxes ended up in the MAL storage room. And keep in mind NARA was harassing Trump throughout 2021 for what they insisted were government records apparently WITHOUT contacting GSA to search dozens of boxes in their possession.

Holy conspiracy theories galore Batman.

 

[efil4]

I think it's important to avoid this idea that the judge is making moves against the defendant for public optics and national partisanship. The judge is managing the trial on a set schedule. The defendant asked for an accommodation that the judge declined at the onset, based on court's need to keep to the schedule. After it became clear that the schedule could accommodate the request, the judge allowed it. This kind of thing happens all the time in court in America . . . people are expected to be there but also they have lives and some things are considered important enough to be accommodated if that's possible.

I just think its really important to point out that most of this stuff is simply how its done. The judge is just being the judge - doing the things that judges do.

thats really what i meant- he showing the general public that THIS is how the legal system operates and that he was operating as any Judge would.

I dont necessarily think his move was "calculated" - i think it was within the scope of what any Judge would do, and in doing so, limits Trumps ability to continue this "unfair" narrative.

Now Trump may report this as a "win" ( as in I was able to persuade him ) but i think his attorneys know better and will probably do all they can to keep him from stating this.

 

[DaveXA]

I also read he has until this afternoon to delete all 9 posts.

Also threatened him with incarceration if he doesn't stop. Trump is rapidly approaching the find out stage.

 

[superchuck500]

Yeah, it looks like the judge formally held Trump in contempt for nine violations of the protective order ("gag order") and explained that the $9,000 is based on state law, not the defendant's wealth. He also threatened additional sanction for future violation including possible jail for contempt.

The judge presiding over Donald Trump’s hush money case on Tuesday held the former president in criminal contempt over a series of posts on Truth Social that he said violated a gag order barring any attacks on jurors and witnesses and warned Trump he could be jailed for further violations.

Judge Juan Merchan ruled Trump in contempt for nine violations of his gag order, with a fine of $1,000 for each instance. He warned in the decision that he would not tolerate further violations of the order and said "if necessary and appropriate under the circumstances," he would impose "an incarceratory punishment" on the former president.

The judge explained that because the fines, which are limited by state law, were relatively little in comparison to Trump's wealth, they might be unlikely to deter the former president from abiding by the court's order. While Merchan said he would prefer to impose commensurately larger fines, he instead had to consider "whether in some instances, jail may be a necessary punishment."

Judge in hush money trial threatens Trump with jail after holding him in contempt for violating gag order

Judge Juan Merchan warned that if Trump continues to violate the order, he could impose “an incarceratory punishment.”

www.nbcnews.com