The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[TampaJoe]

Your close-mindedness is not her fault. Try again.

I’m not asking for anyone’s vote. I didn’t lose an election. I’m not the one searching for answers. So if she failed to convince enough voters to support her, whose fault is that? Isn’t that the job of a Presidential candidate? Isn’t that how elections work. Or did she expect to be anointed like during the nominating process.

 

[TampaJoe]

We aren't talking about voting or elections. Stop shifting the goalposts, Joe. You made the claim that Kamala Harris is unfit and unqualified to be a senator, much less president. Support the claim, Joe. This is your belief, what is your evidence?

Why would I care about the fitness of someone for an office if they weren’t running in an election. So I don’t know what you are talking about but I WAS talking about voting and talking about elections.

I’ve asked you more than once what you believe qualifies her to be the Leader of the Free World. You have yet to answer. I guess like her “nothing comes to mind”.

 

[fooferdoggie]

And that relates to me how? I don’t know that I have opined on DEI and I favored letting Roe stand as is. So you have me confused with someone else.

you were going on about democrats and white man BS.

 

[TampaJoe]

you were going on about democrats and white man BS.

No. I was replying to another ignorant comment that implied that my decision not to vote for Harris was based on sex and/or race. I don’t go on about race and or sex discrimination. Do you?

 

[TampaJoe]

Just to add, "she didn't win," is not an argument for not being fit. I mean, this is obvious. The notion that every candidate in history who unsuccessfully ran for a nomination or was runner up in an election was then, and forever more, an actually unfit candidate is patently ludicrous. Apart from anything else, quite a few of those candidates went on to win later.

You exaggerate. I didn’t say “forever more”. To take what I said and turn it into that is ludicrous and dishonest. She lost the election so what that does say is that more voters thought her opponent the better candidate.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I’m not asking for anyone’s vote. I didn’t lose an election. I’m not the one searching for answers. So if she failed to convince enough voters to support her, whose fault is that? Isn’t that the job of a Presidential candidate? Isn’t that how elections work. Or did she expect to be anointed like during the nominating process.

No, you have just made a claim you repeatedly refused to support. Why won't you support your position?

 

[TampaJoe]

No, you have just made a claim you repeatedly refused to support. Why won't you support your position?

I have supported my position. You have not supported yours. Do not expect more from me than that what you are prepared to do yourself. Perhaps you can think of nothing. Therein lies the problem.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Why would I care about the fitness of someone for an office if they weren’t running in an election. So I don’t know what you are talking about but I WAS talking about voting and talking about elections.

I’ve asked you more than once what you believe qualifies her to be the Leader of the Free World. You have yet to answer. I guess like her “nothing comes to mind”.

No, this is what you said:

No. She was the last choice of your party when she ran on her own. When you guys couldn’t gaslight the public any longer about Biden and kicked him to the curb, he stuck it Pelosi and Obama and endorsed Harris. IOW he stuck you with her. She isn’t qualified for the office. I think she was barely qualified for the Senate.

So no Bird. I didn’t vote for her because she wasn’t qualified in my opinion. Evidently she wasn’t qualified in the opinion of a majority of the voters. Perhaps you and your party should have given that some thought. Maybe the result would have been different. I don’t run your party anymore than I run the GOP.

So nice try but no cigar.

You talked about voting through the lens of Kamala Harris not being qualified in your opinion. When asked to support that opinion, you have refused and deflected. Why are you so dishonest?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I have supported my position.

No, you just keep talking in circles. Your main argument is that she failed to persuade you and others to vote for her, therefor she is unqualified and/or unfit. I think that's a ridiculous stance because you don't strike me as the type that would ever vote for a Democrat, period.

You have not supported yours. Do not expect more from me than that what you are prepared to do yourself. Perhaps you can think of nothing. Therein lies the problem.

I haven't made a claim. When I do, you'll know, because I'll support what I say. Damn shame that you, a grown-arse adult, can't do the same.

 

[MT15]

Why would I care about the fitness of someone for an office if they weren’t running in an election.

Well, you repeatedly refer to Biden as if he were running. He was not. You have never, ever mentioned what makes Harris unfit in your opinion. That’s what makes people start to doubt you have a reason. Or your reason is one that you are ashamed of, and don’t want to admit.

Her vision for America was compelling, IMO. She had concrete examples of things she would do for the economy to help the middle class. Her husband is so conscious of ethical concerns that when they married he gave up the practice of law so there wouldn’t be any conflicts of interest. Contrast to Trump who doesn’t even know what ethical considerations are.

She understands that we have to fix the wage gap - executives used to make 30x what their hourly workers make. Now they make 300x or more what their hourly workers make. They live in restricted subdivisions and never mingle with ordinary folks. They make decisions that actually harm their workers or the general public. This is a recipe for disaster. If the trend isn’t reversed it will be taken care of in other ways and it won’t be good for anyone.

She wants to restore women’s bodily autonomy. She wants to encourage small businesses and first time homeowners with incentives. She wants to alleviate the crippling cost of childcare for young families. She wants to save small farms.

Her bachelor’s degree is in economics, which automatically means she knows more than Trump. For example, she doesn’t say that China will pay the tariffs Trump will impose, and she doesn’t say that these tariffs will take the place of income taxes.

Your turn Joe. What makes her unfit for office? Remember, you said she was unfit to even be a senator. Why?

 

[TampaJoe]

No, you have just made a claim you repeatedly refused to support. Why won't you support your position?

I have supported my position. You have not supported yours. Do not expect more from me than that what you are prepared to do yourself. Perhaps you can think of nothing. Therein lies the problem

 

[Optimus Prime]

I already addressed this earlier. I said that I have seen nothing from her that persuaded me she was qualified or fit for the job. When she ran for the job on her own in 2020, she dropped out of the race without a single delegate. At that time, her own party was unimpressed with her qualifications. I don’t believe that either Pelosi or Obama or Schumer wanted her for the job but were stuck with her by Biden after they kicked him to the curb.

Now you may not agree and are free to tell me what you believe qualifies her to be the leader of the free world.

Tampa Joe: Kamala Harris wasn’t qualified to be President of the United States

Board: Why?

Tampa Joe: Because I didn’t see any qualifications

Board: Well, we guess that answers that

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I have supported my position.

You haven't supported anything. You are either lying when you say that you have or you genuinely don't understand that you haven't. Which is it, Joe? Are you a liar or are you not intelligent enough to participate in this simple discussion?

You have not supported yours. Do not expect more from me than that what you are prepared to do yourself. Perhaps you can think of nothing. Therein lies the problem

What is my position and where have I stated it? Please link to the specific post.

 

[J-DONK]

Tampa Joe: Kamala Harris wasn’t qualified to be President of the United States

Board: Why?

Tampa Joe: Because I didn’t see any qualifications

Board: Well, we guess that answers that

His trying to conflate electability with qualification. It's why he can't answer the question. He is using the past election results as a reason, but that doesn't make sense for why you didn't vote for someone, or why they didn't get elected.

Qualified, and fit for a job/position is a different hurdle from actually receiving/offered that position. Anyone who has applied for a job knows this.

I can recognize that Harris was qualified, and fit to be president. It's also very real that for Harris, Biden/DNP may have given her unwinnable campaign. I'm not blaming the voters. In fact, most political pundits don't blame the voters, but Biden, and/or the party.

I can not stand the way he keeps inventing strawmen.

Just admit you misspoke, and/or don't actually understand your own arguments, and move on.

 

[TampaJoe]

Well, you repeatedly refer to Biden as if he were running. He was not. You have never, ever mentioned what makes Harris unfit in your opinion. That’s what makes people start to doubt you have a reason. Or your reason is one that you are ashamed of, and don’t want to admit.

Her vision for America was compelling, IMO. She had concrete examples of things she would do for the economy to help the middle class. Her husband is so conscious of ethical concerns that when they married he gave up the practice of law so there wouldn’t be any conflicts of interest. Contrast to Trump who doesn’t even know what ethical considerations are.

She understands that we have to fix the wage gap - executives used to make 30x what their hourly workers make. Now they make 300x or more what their hourly workers make. They live in restricted subdivisions and never mingle with ordinary folks. They make decisions that actually harm their workers or the general public. This is a recipe for disaster. If the trend isn’t reversed it will be taken care of in other ways and it won’t be good for anyone.

She wants to restore women’s bodily autonomy. She wants to encourage small businesses and first time homeowners with incentives. She wants to alleviate the crippling cost of childcare for young families. She wants to save small farms.

Her bachelor’s degree is in economics, which automatically means she knows more than Trump. For example, she doesn’t say that China will pay the tariffs Trump will impose, and she doesn’t say that these tariffs will take the place of income taxes.

Your turn Joe. What makes her unfit for office? Remember, you said she was unfit to even be a senator. Why?

Biden was the candidate. Lest you forget. It was one race. He started, collected all those delegates and then got misled to the curve.

As for Harris, you are the first poster in this thread that bothered to post something about her other than she wasn’t Donald Trump. That should tell you something. That was indicative of her campaign.

You mentioned several things. General things. Everybody wants peace and prosperity. Everybody wants to make more money. The question is how? How to you narrow the wage gap? Easy to say. Harder to do.

As I said, she did what most people here have been doing. Fixating on Trump. The felon. The threat to democracy. Etc etc etc. So you can have buttloads of ideas but if all you talk about is Trump, nobody knows anything else. The Trump demonization gig did not work and the Harris campaign was like a dog with a bone and they couldn’t focus on anything else. The media didn’t help because that’s all they could focus on. So whatever plans she may have was lost in all the noise. She may have made a decent case for not voting for Trump but she didn’t make a better case of voting for her, her policies, her ideas.

 

[J-DONK]

Biden was the candidate. Lest you forget. It was one race. He started, collected all those delegates and then got misled to the curve.

As for Harris, you are the first poster in this thread that bothered to post something about her other than she wasn’t Donald Trump. That should tell you something. That was indicative of her campaign.

You mentioned several things. General things. Everybody wants peace and prosperity. Everybody wants to make more money. The question is how? How to you narrow the wage gap? Easy to say. Harder to do.

As I said, she did what most people here have been doing. Fixating on Trump. The felon. The threat to democracy. Etc etc etc. So you can have buttloads of ideas but if all you talk about is Trump, nobody knows anything else. The Trump demonization gig did not work and the Harris campaign was like a dog with a bone and they couldn’t focus on anything else. The media didn’t help because that’s all they could focus on. So whatever plans she may have was lost in all the noise. She may have made a decent case for not voting for Trump but she didn’t make a better case of voting for her, her policies, her ideas.

I would say most of your reasoning about focusing on Trump is wrong. The counter narrative to this is the election actually come down to post-covid inflation. That has actual data to back it up.

Democrats aren't alone — incumbent parties have lost elections all around the world

Democrats were just one of the many incumbent parties around the globe that lost ground in 2024 elections.

abcnews.go.com

Harris should have seperated herself from the current adminstration. The ideal situation would have been open primaries, and if Harris wins she is given more time to seperate herself from Biden.

P.S. Harris lost by less then all those other incubment governments. Trump ran an extremely flawed campaign, and could be viewed as a "leaky boat lifted by a strong tide". I'll remind you Trump dodged a third debate because he got dog-walked by your so called "unfit" and "unqualfied" candidate.

 

[TampaJoe]

His trying to conflate electability with qualification. It's why he can't answer the question. He is using the past election results as a reason, but that doesn't make sense for why you didn't vote for someone, or why they didn't get elected.

Qualified, and fit for a job/position is a different hurdle from actually receiving/offered that position. Anyone who has applied for a job knows this.

I can recognize that Harris was qualified, and fit to be president. It's also very real that for Harris, Biden/DNP may have given her unwinnable campaign. I'm not blaming the voters. In fact, most political pundits don't blame the voters, but Biden, and/or the party.

I can not stand the way he keeps inventing strawmen.

Just admit you misspoke you, and/or don't actually understand your own arguments, and move on.

Isn’t electability a qualification. Isn’t that why they run? To get elected.

Walt the Janitor may meet the constitutional qualifications to run but is he electable? Does he have the skill set to be the leader of the free world. Are we to assume he has that skill set or is it his job to demonstrate to and persuade the voters that he does?

This isn’t just any job. It should be hard to get and we should be getting much better qualified candidates that what we have been getting.

The whole conflating electability with qualifications is the biggest bunch of hogwash I have heard in quite a while.

Let me clue you in on how elections work. Electability is a primary qualification. Ask anyone who has run a campaign.

 

[TampaJoe]

I would say most of your reasoning about focusing on Trump is wrong. The counter narrative to this is the election actually come down to post-covid inflation. That has actual data to back it up.

Democrats aren't alone — incumbent parties have lost elections all around the world

Democrats were just one of the many incumbent parties around the globe that lost ground in 2024 elections.

abcnews.go.com

Harris should have seperated herself from the current adminstration. The ideal situation would have been open primaries, and if Harris wins she is given more time to seperate herself from Biden.

P.S. Harris lost by less then all those other incubment governments. Trump ran an extremely flawed campaign, and could be viewed as a "leaky boat lifted by a strong tide". I'll remind you Trump dodged a third debate because he got dog-walked by your so called "unfit" and "unqualfied" candidate.

Well that’s actually a pretty sound rebuttal. You could be right.

PS. I didn’t think Trump qualified or fit. I think he plainly out worked and out promoted Harris. He did the same thing to Hillary. It’s the one thing he is good at. JMHO.