The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[TampaJoe]

Keep telling yourself that. It is necessary for you to maintain your fiction.

You vote Republican, period. Your not voting for Trump means nothing.

Yeah, blaming the other party when you lose is so real. Speaking of maintaining a fiction.

You would never vote for a conservative. If you didn’t like the Dem candidate, you might not vote for them or you might vote third party but you would not surrender your ideals and vote for the conservative and you certainly wouldn’t vote the conservative ticket. So let’s not pretend you would play this differently. You wouldn’t.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I hope he will attempt to work across the aisle and hope Dems will do the same.

As a side note: is referring to people who happen to belong to the other party delusional demonizing or is it a term of endearment?

Perhaps both sides would benefit from a little less vitriol.

He has ZERO intentions on working across the aisle. Even now, he is busy demonizing and denigrating the Gov of California because he is an EVIL Democrat. He fired the Republican House Intel Committee Chairman because he acted in the interest of our country instead of the interest of trump. You must bend the knee, there will be no compromise!

Trump has given no indication that his upcoming administration will be any different from his inept previous administration.

 

[fooferdoggie]

I hope he will attempt to work across the aisle and hope Dems will do the same.

the man literally decided Democrats would get COVID more so chose not to nationalize a presence but to leave it up to the states. then of course he went farther. he bragged so much about getting the vaccine made but when he lost that was it. he chose to let people die rather than to help Biden to get the vaccine out. we all know how that backfired when far more republicans died from covid.. so if he was willing to let democrats suffer and die from Covid do you really think he will do anything to help blue states or democrats???

 

[RobF]

Yeah, blaming the other party when you lose is so real. Speaking of maintaining a fiction.

You would never vote for a conservative. If you didn’t like the Dem candidate, you might not vote for them or you might vote third party but you would not surrender your ideals and vote for the conservative and you certainly wouldn’t vote the conservative ticket. So let’s not pretend you would play this differently. You wouldn’t.

From my understanding of a lot of posters here, if, hypothetically, Trump had run as a Democrat - and he was affiliated from 2001 to 2009 I think? - had otherwise espoused the same positions and shown the same (unfit) character, and had somehow won the nomination, while the Republican nominee was, by contrast, sane, not a felon, and espousing reasonable positions, they would voted for the Republican.

I mean, we have people who have previously voted Republican who voted for some, or all, of Clinton, Biden, and Harris over Trump, so obviously there are people who absolutely will "play this differently".

And historically, obviously, the parties have had substantial ideological shifts and voters have shifted with them.

It might make you feel better to pretend otherwise, but assuming that no-one else has the integrity to reject tribal party loyalty over the best interests of the country is a false premise I'm afraid.

 

[Dragon]

A good read on consumer protection and the current cases...

https://open.substack.com/pub/heath...5?r=3lefz2&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

And as expected

FTC commissioner Andrew N. Ferguson, whom Trump has tapped to chair the commission in his incoming administration, dissented from the report.

Trump really do not want all those defrauding businesses procecuted

 

[bird]

Yeah, blaming the other party when you lose is so real. Speaking of maintaining a fiction.

You would never vote for a conservative. If you didn’t like the Dem candidate, you might not vote for them or you might vote third party but you would not surrender your ideals and vote for the conservative and you certainly wouldn’t vote the conservative ticket. So let’s not pretend you would play this differently. You wouldn’t.

Actually,I have. Rep. Biggert in Illinois when I lived there. So, you are full of schlitz again.

As for blaming the other party? When racism and misogyny are open and blatant I will certainly point it out. The Republican Party certainly is the home for both of those. It has been the home for racism since the Southern Strategy. Lee Atwater openly admitted using racism during the Reagan administrations. The misogyny is nothing new either for the Republican Party.

What is new is voter suppression. Frank Luntz, iirc, admitted that Republicans do better when fewer people vote. This has resulted in screams of voter fraud by Trump which were eagerly followed up by the Republican Party. Thus the flurry of voter ID laws and “cleaning up” voter rolls even though there is no significant voter fraud. Interesting that the few cases that show up despite fervid efforts by Republicans to prove it is widespread have been voters voting Republican.

Now, despite the best efforts of Republicans and the Republican Party apparatus I know that Harris did not, in spite of claims by Democratic consultants and pundits, run a “perfect campaign”. That being said she most certainly did lay out ideas for the electorate despite what the “media” proclaimed. The constant bleating of corporate media which is conservative that she wasn’t doing this or that while ignoring virtually anything said or done by Trump had a negative impact on Harris. In turn, she and the Party and campaign failed to notice the fracturing of media which results in the stupidity of anybody being “media”. I know that she could have done better. I also know that the Republican Party has become since the rise of Reagan through Newt Gingrich up to Trump deeply anti-democracy and will do whatever they can to limit voting.

For over 200 years there was little claims of voter fraud until Trump squealed that there was and instead of the Republican Party standing up and saying there wasn’t they glommed onto it as a tactic. They resorted to election fraud by arbitrarily purging voter lists which resulted people who were legitimate voters being thrown off the lists. Inevitably those impacted were not White which was institutionalized racism within the Republican Party.

To sum up, I have voted for Republicans which is more than you can say. I do know that Democrats fork up when running campaigns and I admit it. The senate campaign which put the idiot known as J. D. Vance in the senate is an especially egregious example. I also know that the Republican Party is the party that doesn’t give a damn about really anything beyond getting elected and shoving tax cuts through for wealth.

I am glad to see that you have finally admitted that you are Republican. That is a big step forward for you.

 

[TampaJoe]

Actually,I have. Rep. Biggert in Illinois when I lived there. So, you are full of schlitz again.

As for blaming the other party? When racism and misogyny are open and blatant I will certainly point it out. The Republican Party certainly is the home for both of those. It has been the home for racism since the Southern Strategy. Lee Atwater openly admitted using racism during the Reagan administrations. The misogyny is nothing new either for the Republican Party.

What is new is voter suppression. Frank Luntz, iirc, admitted that Republicans do better when fewer people vote. This has resulted in screams of voter fraud by Trump which were eagerly followed up by the Republican Party. Thus the flurry of voter ID laws and “cleaning up” voter rolls even though there is no significant voter fraud. Interesting that the few cases that show up despite fervid efforts by Republicans to prove it is widespread have been voters voting Republican.

Now, despite the best efforts of Republicans and the Republican Party apparatus I know that Harris did not, in spite of claims by Democratic consultants and pundits, run a “perfect campaign”. That being said she most certainly did lay out ideas for the electorate despite what the “media” proclaimed. The constant bleating of corporate media which is conservative that she wasn’t doing this or that while ignoring virtually anything said or done by Trump had a negative impact on Harris. In turn, she and the Party and campaign failed to notice the fracturing of media which results in the stupidity of anybody being “media”. I know that she could have done better. I also know that the Republican Party has become since the rise of Reagan through Newt Gingrich up to Trump deeply anti-democracy and will do whatever they can to limit voting.

For over 200 years there was little claims of voter fraud until Trump squealed that there was and instead of the Republican Party standing up and saying there wasn’t they glommed onto it as a tactic. They resorted to election fraud by arbitrarily purging voter lists which resulted people who were legitimate voters being thrown off the lists. Inevitably those impacted were not White which was institutionalized racism within the Republican Party.

To sum up, I have voted for Republicans which is more than you can say. I do know that Democrats fork up when running campaigns and I admit it. The senate campaign which put the idiot known as J. D. Vance in the senate is an especially egregious example. I also know that the Republican Party is the party that doesn’t give a damn about really anything beyond getting elected and shoving tax cuts through for wealth.

I am glad to see that you have finally admitted that you are Republican. That is a big step forward for you.

Actually I have voted for Dems. Not often but I have voted for Dems and Inhave voted third party. I refuse to vote for someone I can’t support. I vote for people. I don’t vote against someone just to make a point. I wouldn’t hire someone I believed unfit and Inwont vote for someone I can’t actively support. You are free to do so if you wish. It’s your vote to spend.

 

[bird]

Actually I have voted for Dems. Not often but I have voted for Dems and Inhave voted third party. I refuse to vote for someone I can’t support. I vote for people. I don’t vote against someone just to make a point. I wouldn’t hire someone I believed unfit and Inwont vote for someone I can’t actively support. You are free to do so if you wish. It’s your vote to spend.

And I believe you regarding your individual vote. Which is irrelevant to your support for all things Republican. All things meaning policies and programs. Thus, for example, voting for Scott and Rubio for senate in Florida when they support Trump completely. You don’t like Trump and you didn’t vote for him but you support those who support Trump. So, in reality, you support the Republican Party which is fine for you but, perhaps, not so good for the country.

 

[TampaJoe]

And I believe you regarding your individual vote. Which is irrelevant to your support for all things Republican. All things meaning policies and programs. Thus, for example, voting for Scott and Rubio for senate in Florida when they support Trump completely. You don’t like Trump and you didn’t vote for him but you support those who support Trump. So, in reality, you support the Republican Party which is fine for you but, perhaps, not so good for the country.

Versus voting for Democrats whom I don’t support and whom may not be so good for the country either.

I get you don’t like Conservatives or Republicans. It doesn’t bother me that we don’t agree politically. That’s what makes the world go round.

I don’t share your broad based opinion of conservatives or even the Republican Party. And while I won’t vote for a Republican I believe unfit or unqualified, it makes no sense to me to vote for a Democrat I also believe to be unfit or unqualified. That is illogical.

As I said, I highly doubt you would change parties and vote Conservative down the ballot just to make a point. It makes no sense and I wouldn’t expect that. So if you expect me to vote for your candidate as opposed to Trump, run a moderate or run someone who isn’t a CA progressive. Your party had options. Your party had other candidates. If you seek to blame someone for the loss, don’t blame the voters. Go see Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Obama, Schumer etc. Those were the guys making the calls. It wasn’t me and it wasn’t conservatives or republicans.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Versus voting for Democrats whom I don’t support and whom may not be so good for the country either.

I get you don’t like Conservatives or Republicans. It doesn’t bother me that we don’t agree politically. That’s what makes the world go round.

I don’t share your broad based opinion of conservatives or even the Republican Party. And while I won’t vote for a Republican I believe unfit or unqualified, it makes no sense to me to vote for a Democrat I also believe to be unfit or unqualified. That is illogical.

As I said, I highly doubt you would change parties and vote Conservative down the ballot just to make a point. It makes no sense and I wouldn’t expect that. So if you expect me to vote for your candidate as opposed to Trump, run a moderate or run someone who isn’t a CA progressive. Your party had options. Your party had other candidates. If you seek to blame someone for the loss, don’t blame the voters. Go see Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Obama, Schumer etc. Those were the guys making the calls. It wasn’t me and it wasn’t conservatives or republicans.

The thing about determining fitness or quality is that it can be an objective process to an extent. You have said that Kamala is unqualified to be either president or senator. How do you measure that?

 

[MT15]

The thing about determining fitness or quality is that it can be an objective process to an extent. You have said that Kamala is unqualified to be either president or senator. How do you measure that?

This is something I would love to find out also.

Another question: we have seen that Trump intends to start his “mass deportation” within a day of his inauguration and he has chosen Chicago. Nobody in Chicago has asked for this. Does it bother any supposed “conservatives” that Trump would ignore states that have been complaining about the toll that immigrants are supposedly taking and concentrate on a state where nobody is asking for federal intervention? Does it not seem punitive, even petty? Why not start with TX or FL?

 

[TampaJoe]

The thing about determining fitness or quality is that it can be an objective process to an extent. You have said that Kamala is unqualified to be either president or senator. How do you measure that?

I haven’t seen much from het that persuades me that she is qualified and in the best choice to lead the nation. So you tell me, other than getting elected, what has she done? What makes her the best choice to lead the free world?

 

[MT15]

I haven’t seen much from het that persuades me that she is qualified and in the best choice to lead the nation. So you tell me, other than getting elected, what has she done? What makes her the best choice to lead the free world?

Nope that is a cop out in the first degree. You said you feel she is just as disqualified as Trump. You were asked a simple question about that assertion. Don’t dodge.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I haven’t seen much from het that persuades me that she is qualified and in the best choice to lead the nation. So you tell me, other than getting elected, what has she done? What makes her the best choice to lead the free world?

Yeah, this is a crap answer. You claim she is unqualified. Can you support your claim?

 

[TampaJoe]

Nope that is a cop out in the first degree. You said you feel she is just as disqualified as Trump. You were asked a simple question about that assertion. Don’t dodge.

I didn’t say she was just as disqualified as Trump. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I said I didn’t believe she was fit for or qualified for the office. She either is or she isn’t. It has nothing to do with the qualifications or lack thereof of her opponents. She either has the skills or she doesn’t.

 

[TampaJoe]

Yeah, this is a crap answer. You claim she is unqualified. Can you support your claim?

You obviously disagree with my opinion. Can you support yours?

 

[Dragon]

I didn’t say she was just as disqualified as Trump. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I said I didn’t believe she was fit for or qualified for the office. She either is or she isn’t. It has nothing to do with the qualifications or lack thereof of her opponents. She either has the skills or she doesn’t.

What skills does she lack ? A beard?

 

[Dragon]

You obviously disagree with my opinion. Can you support yours

You keep deflecting. Never actually support anything you write. It makes it very hard to take you serious