The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[bird]

The simple fact is that the majority of voters who lived thru Trump and who lived thru Biden didn’t agree with you. They choose Trump. You don’t have to agree. You don’t have to like it. What amazes me is that you still don’t get it. Your policies and your candidates were not as impressive as you think.

Incorrect. He got a plurality of voters who voted. Racism and misogyny handled the rest.

 

[TampaJoe]

No, you are the one who doesn’t see it. Trump is unfit for office. If Trump were running against Romney, I’m voting for Romney every time, and happy to do it. If Trump were running against a ham sandwich, I’m voting for the ham sandwich.

Yet people like you want to act like he’s a normal politician. He’s not even a normal person. He should never be in a position of public trust. He has several malignant personality disorders. He brags about sexual abuse of women, he bragged about going in a dressing room where teenage girls were undressed because he owned the pageant and could get away with it. He raped one of his wives in a fit of anger because a hair transplant was botched and she recommended the plastic surgeon. This rape involved pulling out chunks of her hair by the roots, and resulted in their divorce.

I haven’t even touched on his business failings, his dishonesty with his “college”, his taking money from his children’s cancer charity, his grandiose lies about everything in his life. He’s mentally ill.

He’s unfit for office. Why can nobody on the right admit what is manifestly true?

Did I saw he was fit? I didn’t vote for him. Never voted for him. And yet he got elected. I accept that. Biden wasn’t fit for office. I accepted that.

 

[RobF]

Did I saw he was fit? I didn’t vote for him. Never voted for him. And yet he got elected. I accept that. Biden wasn’t fit for office. I accepted that.

Why can't you engage with what people are actually saying? No-one is denying the outcome of the election. The question of why his supporters can't recognise his unfitness wouldn't be as relevant if they had recognised it, stopped supporting him, and he'd lost.

 

[TampaJoe]

Why can't you engage with what people are actually saying? No-one is denying the outcome of the election. The question of why his supporters can't recognise his unfitness wouldn't be as relevant if they had recognised it, stopped supporting him, and he'd lost.

I’m sure his supporters are well aware of his faults. When faced with a choice between Trump and Harris/Biden, they choose Trump. Perhaps they believed his opponent was less qualified than he? Perhaps they didn’t care for Biden Harris policies. Both candidates were known quantities. All most of them had to do was compare one 4 year term against another.

I get you and the Dems don’t understand it. Maybe they aren’t as connected to “the people” and their concerns as they think. So instead of addressing that, they blame the voter. Not a good strategy if you ask me.

 

[Dragon]

I’m sure his supporters are well aware of his faults. When faced with a choice between Trump and Harris/Biden, they choose Trump. Perhaps they believed his opponent was less qualified than he? Perhaps they didn’t care for Biden Harris policies. Both candidates were known quantities. All most of them had to do was compare one 4 year term against another.

I get you and the Dems don’t understand it. Maybe they aren’t as connected to “the people” and their concerns as they think. So instead of addressing that, they blame the voter. Not a good strategy if you ask me.

The answer is much simpler than it seems. It comes down to responsibility and privilege. When someone tells you that your misfortunes aren’t your fault, but rather the fault of “intellectuals,” “illegals,” “women,”, "the deep state" or people who don’t share your religion, it becomes far easier to hate those groups than to reflect on yourself and consider what you could or should do to improve your situation.

I’ve seen countless complaints from people on platforms like X and other social media, lamenting how “society has failed them.” One thing is always consistent: they rarely, if ever, stop to consider how they may have contributed to their own struggles.

 

[MT15]

I’m sure his supporters are well aware of his faults. When faced with a choice between Trump and Harris/Biden, they choose Trump. Perhaps they believed his opponent was less qualified than he? Perhaps they didn’t care for Biden Harris policies. Both candidates were known quantities. All most of them had to do was compare one 4 year term against another.

I get you and the Dems don’t understand it. Maybe they aren’t as connected to “the people” and their concerns as they think. So instead of addressing that, they blame the voter. Not a good strategy if you ask me.

You are completely discounting reality and still pretending that Trump is a normal person and the differences were based on policy differences.

Address this: I don’t like Romney’s policies. I would hate what he would do as President. But I know he’s at least a normal person, and not mentally ill. Therefore I would happily vote for him over Trump.

Biden wasn’t running. Harris is a normal person, and not mentally ill.

Why did people vote for a mental case over Harris? Why did you supposedly abstain rather than try to keep a mental case from becoming president?

 

[TampaJoe]

The answer is much simpler than it seems. It comes down to responsibility and privilege. When someone tells you that your misfortunes aren’t your fault, but rather the fault of “intellectuals,” “illegals,” “women,”, "the deep state" or people who don’t share your religion, it becomes far easier to hate those groups than to reflect on yourself and consider what you could or should do to improve your situation.

I’ve seen countless complaints from people on platforms like X and other social media, lamenting how “society has failed them.” One thing is always consistent: they rarely, if ever, stop to consider how they may have contributed to their own struggles.

Yeah well I’ve seen more bitterness, hate and intolerance from the left side of the aisle than from the right.

 

[bird]

You are completely discounting reality and still pretending that Trump is a normal person and the differences were based on policy differences.

Address this: I don’t like Romney’s policies. I would hate what he would do as President. But I know he’s at least a normal person, and not mentally ill. Therefore I would happily vote for him over Trump.

Biden wasn’t running. Harris is a normal person, and not mentally ill.

Why did people vote for a mental case over Harris? Why did you supposedly abstain rather than try to keep a mental case from becoming president?

Your answer can be found in his comment regarding having “better candidates”.

The candidate is window dressing. What is important are any programs, policies or actions the candidate puts forward. Equally important are those in the legislature that state support for those programs, policies or actions. Support for those who support a “not good candidate” indicates, imo, support for that candidate. Not actually voting for said “not good candidate” is merely cover.

In the past to varying degrees legislators could be counted on to not arbitrarily do anything and everything a president wanted. They could also be counted on to have some concern for ALL of the people. The emergence of the radicalization of the Republican Party with the rise of Saint Ronnie the Dim-Witted the needs of the country were discarded for raw power politics.

 

[bird]

Yeah well I’ve seen more bitterness, hate and intolerance from the left side of the aisle than from the right.

Yeah well I have seen more bitterness, hate and intolerance from the right side of the aisle than from the left.

Jews will not replace us.

 

[TampaJoe]

You are completely discounting reality and still pretending that Trump is a normal person and the differences were based on policy differences.

Address this: I don’t like Romney’s policies. I would hate what he would do as President. But I know he’s at least a normal person, and not mentally ill. Therefore I would happily vote for him over Trump.

Biden wasn’t running. Harris is a normal person, and not mentally ill.

Why did people vote for a mental case over Harris? Why did you supposedly abstain rather than try to keep a mental case from becoming president?

Obviously the folks who voted for Trump didn’t view him as a mental case. As far as Harris is concerned, those same people watched her for four years. Those same people watched his Dems were promoting a candidate in Biden that was obviously past his prime pretending he was “normal”. When Harris ran for POTUS four years ago she was never a serious candidate in her own party. As I recall she didn’t garner a single delegate.

 

[MT15]

Obviously the folks who voted for Trump didn’t view him as a mental case.

Well, this is mass delusion. There has never been a presidential candidate more openly mentally ill than Trump. He’s obviously hateful, emotionally stunted, narcissistic to the point of mental illness. This just isn’t debatable.

To deny this, and to pretend that the choice was between two “normal” candidates is just flat out delusional. And it will harm everyone in this country and many around the world. The only question is the degree of harm.

 

[MT15]

Yeah well I’ve seen more bitterness, hate and intolerance from the left side of the aisle than from the right.

This shows your own bias more than anything else.

 

[RobF]

I’m sure his supporters are well aware of his faults. When faced with a choice between Trump and Harris/Biden, they choose Trump. Perhaps they believed his opponent was less qualified than he? Perhaps they didn’t care for Biden Harris policies. Both candidates were known quantities. All most of them had to do was compare one 4 year term against another.

I get you and the Dems don’t understand it. Maybe they aren’t as connected to “the people” and their concerns as they think. So instead of addressing that, they blame the voter. Not a good strategy if you ask me.

Apparently you don't understand it. After previously implying that you yourself don't think Trump was fit to be President ("Did I saw he was fit? I didn’t vote for him. Never voted for him"), all you've contributed above is yet another trite observation - Trump's supporters chose Trump! - and then thrown in a couple of incredibly weak sauce "perhaps" about beliefs about qualifications and policies.

Thanks for that, great contribution. Doesn't actually account at all for what drives Trump's supporters to overlook the many, many, examples of how manifestly unfit he is for the position, but great to know that "Trump's supporters voted for Trump".

Maybe next you could explain why RFK Jr is a suitable candidate for health secretary with more great lines like, "He's been nominated to be health secretary," and "Trump's voters voted for Trump," while completely avoiding the actual question.

 

[TampaJoe]

Well, this is mass delusion. There has never been a presidential candidate more openly mentally ill than Trump. He’s obviously hateful, emotionally stunted, narcissistic to the point of mental illness. This just isn’t debatable.

To deny this, and to pretend that the choice was between two “normal” candidates is just flat out delusional. And it will harm everyone in this country and many around the world. The only question is the degree of harm.

Obviously it is debatable.

And as I just pointed out, blaming the voter for making a different choice and calling them delusional is just plain stupid. That’s part of the reason they lost. They didn’t connect with the voter.

If you think that is a good strategy, then keep at it. I’m sure you will enjoy as much success next election as you did in this one.

Biden and Harris spent most of their time demonizing Trump and very little talking about where they wanted to go in the future. It didn’t work. They leave polling below 40 percent. Delusional are the folks who can’t get it thru their heads their policies didn’t appeal to the voters. Biden was polling behind Trump on most every major issue except abortion. And you expect or imagine people will vote for four more years of that. That’s delusional.

 

[MT15]

Biden and Harris spent most of their time demonizing Trump and very little talking about where they wanted to go in the future.

This is simply untrue. Trump is the candidate who spent most of his time demonizing his opponents and a fair number of his fellow Americans. His policy positions were vague and non-specific. And he changes his positions like other people change their clothing.

Harris had put out detailed policy proposals, all spelled out in print.

It’s very hard to take anything you say seriously when you don’t seem to live in reality.

 

[TampaJoe]

Apparently you don't understand it. After previously implying that you yourself don't think Trump was fit to be President ("Did I saw he was fit? I didn’t vote for him. Never voted for him"), all you've contributed above is yet another trite observation - Trump's supporters chose Trump! - and then thrown in a couple of incredibly weak sauce "perhaps" about beliefs about qualifications and policies.

Thanks for that, great contribution. Doesn't actually account at all for what drives Trump's supporters to overlook the many, many, examples of how manifestly unfit he is for the position, but great to know that "Trump's supporters voted for Trump".

Maybe next you could explain why RFK Jr is a suitable candidate for health secretary with more great lines like, "He's been nominated to be health secretary," and "Trump's voters voted for Trump," while completely avoiding the actual question.

I didn’t say RFK was suitable. I didn’t nominate him. I don’t agree with much of what he says about vaccines. I do think we need to focus on nutrition and what goes into our food and drugs. If he is a change agent for that, then perhaps that’s a good thing.

I will watch his hearings and decide how I feel about his appointment then. Cabinet Sec arent kings or gods. I don’t fear that he is gonna outlaw vaccines. I don’t have a problem with him questioning the status quo.

 

[TampaJoe]

This is simply untrue. Trump is the candidate who spent most of his time demonizing his opponents and a fair number of his fellow Americans. His policy positions were vague and non-specific. And he changes his positions like other people change their clothing.

Harris had put out detailed policy proposals, all spelled out in print.

It’s very hard to take anything you say seriously when you don’t seem to live in reality.

That’s a theme with you. Anyone who doesn’t agree with you isn’t living in reality. Here’s reality, the race is over. Biden/Harris lost despite spending well over a billion dollars on the race. I get you don’t understand how anyone could disagree with you. But they did. That’s reality. So perhaps you aren’t as smart as you think. Perhaps you and the Dems misread the room. Perhaps you didn’t do a good job of communicating. What cracks me up is that you blame the voter instead of the candidate, the campaign, the policies and the track record.

Voters made a different choice. And it wasn’t just conservative white men. It was independents and people of color. So instead of blaming the voter, you might want to work on your message and your messaging cause whatever strategy was used in Nov didn’t work. That’s reality.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Obviously it is debatable.

And as I just pointed out, blaming the voter for making a different choice and calling them delusional is just plain stupid. That’s part of the reason they lost. They didn’t connect with the voter.

If you think that is a good strategy, then keep at it. I’m sure you will enjoy as much success next election as you did in this one.

Biden and Harris spent most of their time demonizing Trump and very little talking about where they wanted to go in the future. It didn’t work. They leave polling below 40 percent. Delusional are the folks who can’t get it thru their heads their policies didn’t appeal to the voters. Biden was polling behind Trump on most every major issue except abortion. And you expect or imagine people will vote for four more years of that. That’s delusional.

IKR, our economy is the worst in the world due to its failure to recover from COVID. (GDP up 2.6 vs trump's 2.3. Stocks at record highs. Inflation lower than our peers.) How will trump fix this broken economy? Tariffs?

Trump spent his entire campaign demonizing the others, labeling non-trump supporters "ENEMIES OF THE STATE", and describing all democrats as evil.

Then when he won the election, he convinced his delusional supporters that his win was a landslide that has given him a mandate. Has he even reached over 50% of the vote? Last I checked, more Americans voted for someone other than trump.

Instead of nominating these circus clowns, he should be trying to find a way to work together with his fellow AMERICANS...and that means working with those EVIL Democrats.