The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[J-DONK]

Isn’t electability a qualification. Isn’t that why they run? To get elected.

This is circular logic, and makes zero sense. Post-facto declaring some unqualifed after they lose means you don't understand the word.

Walt the Janitor may meet the constitutional qualifications to run but is he electable? Does he have the skill set to be the leader of the free world. Are we to assume he has that skill set or is it his job to demonstrate to and persuade the voters that he does?

AOC was a bartender dude. A janitor is qualified to run for president. You need to lookup the meaning of the word.

This isn’t just any job. It should be hard to get and we should be getting much better qualified candidates that what we have been getting.

The whole conflating electability with qualifications is the biggest bunch of hogwash I have heard in quite a while.

Let me clue you in on how elections work. Electability is a primary qualification. Ask anyone who has run a campaign.

How do you determine electability before someone runs? The only real answer is polling. Harris was by far the leader there.

The truth is you misspoke and instead of backtracking your penta-downing on this.

My view is the incubment biaspbut Harris at a massive disadvantage. This loss was 99% Biden to me. I can't answer who wins the primary, but if it was Harris. She would have had time to say "I'm not Joe."

 

[TampaJoe]

This is circular logic, and makes zero sense. Post-facto declaring some unqualifed after they lose means you don't understand the word.



AOC was a bartender dude. A janitor is qualified to run for president. You need to lookup the meaning of the word.




How do you determine electability before someone runs? The only real answer is polling. Harris was by far the leader there.

The truth is you misspoke and instead of backtracking your penta-downing on this.

My view is the incubment biaspbut Harris at a massive disadvantage. This loss was 99% Biden to me. I can't answer who wins the primary, but if it was Harris. She would have had time to say "I'm not Joe."

People who run elections determine electability all the time. In fact the voter determines electability. Do YOU vote for people who have zero chance or little chance of getting elected. I’ll bet donors look at electability.

Lastly, my point was that Harris was far from the first choice in 2020. She dropped out of the race early. In addition, I don’t believe she was either Obama’s first choice or Pelosi. Biden stuck the party with her when he endorsed her. I have my doubts she would have prevailed in a competitive primary.she is not the best the Democrats have or had to offer. IMO.

I didn’t misspeak. I said what I intended to say.

Finally, as for AOC, she’s a member of the house. IMO She isn’t qualified or fit to be President. YMMV. Now she can run legally but do you think she is electable?

 

[MT15]

Basically, Joe has nothing that points to Harris being unfit to be either a Senator or President.

What a complete waste of time trying to engage with him. He is still saying things about Harris that are simply and completely untrue, even though his mischaracterization was pointed out at least a day ago.

Harris had detailed proposals for her economic positions. Trump is the one who spent all his time demonizing the opposition and lying about what he would do - he changed positions several times on abortion alone.

His demonizations worked, coupled with blaming the current administration for global inflation that they actually handled better than most of the other countries.

I won’t be responding to Joe much anymore. It’s not worth anyone’s time to engage with him IMO. He cannot carry on a forthright discussion.

 

[TampaJoe]

Basically, Joe has nothing that points to Harris being unfit to be either a Senator or President.

What a complete waste of time trying to engage with him. He is still saying things about Harris that are simply and completely untrue, even though his mischaracterization was pointed out at least a day ago.

Harris had detailed proposals for her economic positions. Trump is the one who spent all his time demonizing the opposition and lying about what he would do - he changed positions several times on abortion alone.

His demonizations worked, coupled with blaming the current administration for global inflation that they actually handled better than most of the other countries.

I won’t be responding to Joe much anymore. It’s not worth anyone’s time to engage with him IMO. He cannot carry on a forthright discussion.

whatever floats your boat.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Fitness for office never questioned:

Tommy Tuberville
Ron Johnson
Markwayne Mullin
John Kennedy

They all have shown themselves to be professional IDIOTS!

 

[TampaJoe]

Fitness for office never questioned:

Tommy Tuberville
Ron Johnson
Markwayne Mullin
John Kennedy

They all have shown themselves to be professional IDIOTS!

That’s the cool thing about elections. Every single voter gets to make that determination for themselves. If that’s what you believe then to you they are unfit.

 

[TampaJoe]

No, this is what you said:



You talked about voting through the lens of Kamala Harris not being qualified in your opinion. When asked to support that opinion, you have refused and deflected. Why are you so dishonest?

You are correct. That was my opinion. I said several times how and why I have that opinion. I cannot help that you either understand or accept my opinion. That’s okay with me.

If you believe otherwise, then by your own standard, perhaps you should say why. Just a thought.

 

[Optimus Prime]

That’s the cool thing about elections. Every single voter gets to make that determination for themselves. If that’s what you believe then to you they are unfit.

Are you suggesting that every single person who won every single election at any level local, state or national past and present was fit and qualified to serve?

And every single person who lost was not?

Is that what you’re saying?

Kamala Harris was I believe 300K votes away from winning

If she had won you’d be here arguing how qualified she was to serve because the people said so?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You are correct. That was my opinion. I said several times how and why I have that opinion. I cannot help that you either understand or accept my opinion. That’s okay with me.

If you believe otherwise, then by your own standard, perhaps you should say why. Just a thought.

No, you have stated that you hold the opinion. You still fail to say why. Unqualified and unfit are not subjective. Saying "they lost, therefore they are unfit" is subjective. What objective measure does Kamala Harris fail to reach that makes her unfit and unqualified?

 

[TampaJoe]

Are you suggesting that every single person who won every single election was fit and qualified to serve?

Kamala Harris was I believe 300K votes away from winning

I she had you’d be here arguing how qualified she was to serve because the people said so?

I have said repeatedly that I don’t believe Trump is fit. Many times.

Honestly I don’t know what you guys don’t understand. What don’t you get? Every single voter gets to make a determination of whom they believe is fit and/or qualified to be President. I don’t have an issue with your opinions of Trump or his cabinet nominees. I don’t know why you guys are so butt hurt that I don’t share your high regard of Harris.

 

[TampaJoe]

No, you have stated that you hold the opinion. You still fail to say why. Unqualified and unfit are not subjective. Saying "they lost, therefore they are unfit" is subjective. What objective measure does Kamala Harris fail to reach that makes her unfit and unqualified?

Unqualified and unfit is subjective. It’s an opinion that varies from person to person.

Your statement to the contrary is nonsense. That’s also an opinion and is also subjective.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I have said repeatedly that I don’t believe Trump is fit. Many times.

Honestly I don’t know what you guys don’t understand. What don’t you get? Every single voter gets to make a determination of whom they believe is fit and/or qualified to be President. I don’t have an issue with your opinions of Trump or his cabinet nominees. I don’t know why you guys are so butt hurt that I don’t share your high regard of Harris.

We know what you think. We are asking why you think it.

 

[TampaJoe]

We know what you think. We are asking why you think it.

Asked and answered.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Unqualified and unfit is subjective. It’s an opinion that varies from person to person.

Your statement to the contrary is nonsense. That’s also an opinion and is also subjective.

Opinions can and should be supported by facts. That makes them objective. What facts do you have to support your claim that Kamala Harris is unqualified and/or unfit for the role of Senator and President?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Asked and answered.

You truly are incapable of honesty, Joe. What measure are you using to make the determination that Kamala Harris is unfit and/or unqualified?

 

[Optimus Prime]

I have said repeatedly that I don’t believe Trump is fit. Many times.

Honestly I don’t know what you guys don’t understand. What don’t you get? Every single voter gets to make a determination of whom they believe is fit and/or qualified to be President. I don’t have an issue with your opinions of Trump or his cabinet nominees. I don’t know why you guys are so butt hurt that I don’t share your high regard of Harris.

First of all you then later kept implying that simply if you win an election you’re fit if you don’t you’re not

Second of all most of us here don’t think Trump is fit to serve, and not one us could fail to post a laundry list of reasons why we feel that way

You have not

 

[TampaJoe]

Opinions can and should be supported by facts. That makes them objective. What facts do you have to support your claim that Kamala Harris is unqualified and/or unfit for the role of Senator and President?

What facts do you have to say she is “fit” and “qualified”. Please define specifically what your personal standard is for each of those terms.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Could have gone in the weather/climate change thread also
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………..And perhaps my biggest fear is not just Trump and his billionaire cabinet’s direct attacks on the energy transition, but their combined attacks on the free market, investors, and information, and the bleak and utter silence that’s already starting to ring out in response to his fossil fuel totalitarianism.

The utter lack of resistance so far from corporate America, and the proactive self-censorship from so many of these so-called captains of industry.

Mark “masculine” Zuckerberg has not only decided to end fact-checking at Facebook, but also added Trump’s UFC buddy Dana White to his board.

This puts the most influential and time-consuming company in the history of the world under the unsupervised guidance of a man whose latest professional venture involves adults slapping each other unconscious.

I can’t think of a clearer symbol of the future of America’s attention than the fact that it may now be guided by the same mind that founded a professional slapping competition.

But we’ve also seen the US finance sector sweat under aggressive legal and political pressure, pushing them to abandon their climate commitments altogether or redirect them under the new “political environment”.

Six of America’s biggest banks have pulled out of the Net Zero Banking Alliance, ushering in a similar move from the Banks of Canada and Montreal.

They didn’t do this because their bank accounts had suffered as a result of investing in renewables.

This week, they all announced stellar 2024 profit margins; Goldman Sachs’ profit margins more than doubled, and Citi group reported nearly $3bn in profits.

They did so after the world’s biggest asset managers, BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street, were all sued by Texas and 10 other Republican-led states for anti-competitive climate investment practices.

Effectively, Republican states are trying to make any level of corporate climate activism or public divestment basically illegal.

This led Blackrock to quit the Net Zero Asset Managers Initiative, an industry coalition backed by 20 years of collaborative engagement.

Now the initiative has had to suspend its operations and hide its member list and commitments while it undergoes a global organisational review…….

It is then that I fear we will all lose hope. That we will lose ourselves, our sense of resistance, and innovation. That we will succumb to the numbness so easily spreadable when the game’s rigged.

Perhaps my biggest fear right now is that we lose ourselves in that waterboarding sense of loss after loss and never feel able to come up for air. My fear is that we turn off, as the violence unfolds. That as we watch, the moral apathy spreads.……

My biggest fear as Trump takes office: moral apathy

As America faces unprecedented political and environmental challenges, the nation’s moral compass seems to be faltering. Chris Wright explores the implications of this moral decline in the age of Trump

www.independent.co.uk