SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (3 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The video....as is typical with THIS Fox program highlights what OTHER Outlets are saying.
Two people dismissed this because Fox is biased. Stated another way, the point of the Fox segment is to show how MOST of the media available to the US Public is biased toward the Democratic Party. They bend over backwards to downplay negative Biden stories.

What was negative? He tripped over something he didn't see, then got up and carried on with his day because he was fine.

 

[MT15]

Anticipating your follow up...
For ME it's not about "winning"...it's about obeying.
I'll vote for a pro life candidate and leave the consequences up to God.

Do you think the women in TX who were made to wait for a pregnancy termination until they were septic and deathly ill were manifestations of God‘s will? Even though their pregnancies were not viable, they were sent home and told to come back when they were sick, or hemorrhaging. Do you have any idea how fast a woman can bleed out and die in that situation?

It’s definitely true that women who weren’t seeking an abortion, but needed one for health reasons are being denied that medical care. Because of extremists - religious extremists. Did you know that several major religions don’t believe that abortion should be banned? In fact some require abortions when the mother’s life is threatened. They do not require the woman to actually begin to die before they will provide that care.

IMO, and I know there are many religious experts who feel this way, God doesn’t want us to make laws out of religious beliefs. He expects us to exercise our free will - and not impose our religious beliefs on others by force. Evangelical churches supported Roe when it was first enacted. What changed? The Bible didn’t change. God’s teachings haven’t changed. It was men who made the change.

You aren’t following God‘s will by voting for anti-abortionists. You’re following a few men who have decided they needed to reign in their womenfolk. That their women were getting far too independent and having their own thoughts and that just wouldn’t do.

 

[Incumbent]

I’m going to push back on your statement that cognitive ability is even between Trump and Biden. It’s clearly not. Everyone who claims Biden has cognitive issues is just blowing smoke or wishcasting.

Trump clearly has issues, he cannot form a coherent thought to save his life. Just read any transcription of his remarks. (unscripted)

I think if Trump or DeSantis are nominated, there will be plenty of enthusiasm for Biden. And he will deserve it. His first term has been a success by just about any measure. He’s done very well. He represents normality, when most Rs represent extremism. The Republican Party as it currently sits is a threat to the continuation of America as a free country.

Yeah, I agree. I was meaning to convey that it neutralizes the ability to make those attacks against Biden and didn’t word it well at all.

 

[Optimus Prime]

It’s a story so benign and unremarkable that it’s embarrassing it’s getting any coverage at all: man trips, falls, stands back up and walks it off. Except, of course, that the man is Joe Biden, who at 80 and seeking re-election is currently competing to be the oldest president in US history.

On Thursday, Biden was at the US Air Force Academy graduation ceremony handing out the last diploma when he tripped over a black sandbag. He got back up with a hand from Secret Service agents, and walked himself back to his seat. By all accounts, he was fine.

This isn’t the first time a president or White-House-seeker’s stumble or unsteadiness has proven to be ripe fodder for both the opposition and the media. Donald Trump, who before Biden was the oldest first-term president in US history, was wobbly on his feet at the graduation ceremony for the US Military Academy at West Point in 2020, and seemed to struggle to raise a glass to his lips. That fueled broad speculation about the then-president’s health.

With the leading 2024 contenders both well into their golden years, it’s reasonable to ask if they’re cognitively and physically up to the task. Being president is taxing on all levels, and Americans are justified in wanting to elect a leader who is cognitively sharp and possesses the physical stamina to endure a punishing travel schedule and long days that often involve too little sleep.

Tripping over a sandbag and then righting oneself, though, offers no insight into Biden’s physical or cognitive health.

The “Biden falls” story doesn’t tell us much. Biden tripped, in a minor accident that could have befallen any one of us. The concern (or feigned concern) over it also only reveals what we already know: that the president, as well as the leading presidential contender from the Republican party, are both elderly men, and that comes with risks, broken bones from falls among them. And it is true that falls among the elderly can cause serious injuries, which can lead to swift decline.

But Biden was fine; the only story is that he fell, which is only a story because he’s old. And “he’s old” doesn’t make for much of a partisan gotcha: if Biden is too old to be president, then so is Trump, and vice versa.

Instead, Biden detractors zero in on what they say are his deficits, tripping over a badly placed sandbag apparently among them……..

Biden is America’s oldest president – but tripping over a sandbag tells us nothing | Jill Filipovic

Age, cognitive health and physical fitness are all fair concerns but the president’s tumble in Arizona could have happened to anyone

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

Clearly @MT15 you are sincere. You totally believe every word you composed. I like the way you carry yourself and respect you.
That being said, I think you are viewing Biden with rose colored glasses.
It is NOT "wishcasting" or "blowing smoke" to say our President is not what we'd hope he'd be.
Don't inspire me to post Youtube videos.
......................I really don't want to do that.
You know what. I'm gonna enjoy my weekend.
Not gonna think about this until Monday or so.
Have a great weekend everyone.

A few selectively edited YouTube videos are worth less than nothing. We all know the man has a speech impediment. Quit watching sources who will lie to you due to partisan bias. Judge Biden by his results. The man has almost single-handedly brought grace, competence, and compassion back to the WH. He’s a genuinely good man, deeply religious, and intends to do the right thing. His legislative accomplishments are many. The economy is actually very strong during a globally bad situation. We have the strongest economy in the world right now.

I don’t care if he stumbles over his words. And you shouldn’t either. You’re so busy listening and believing liars that you are missing the forest for the trees. And make no mistake, we know Fox lies. They tell their audience what they think they want to hear, they’ve admitted it. It’s on the record. They don’t care one bit what is true, just what will goose their ratings. The other right wing news sources are basically trying to copy Fox.

Edited to add: Fox isn’t “biased”. That word doesn’t describe what they do. They are far more akin to a North Korean or old time East German or modern day Russian propaganda outlet. MSNBC is biased, they have a POV and they admit it. But you won’t find them lying straight up to their viewers. You won’t find the equivalent of the lies about election integrity, Pizzagate, Obama’s birth certificate on MSNBC. Fox has admitted they lie so they won’t upset their viewers.

 

[brandon]

The late Dr. Charles Stanley often preached this statement:
"Just obey God and leave the consequences to Him"
I did not watch this video but I used a Google Search engine to bring it up using the Dr. C. Stanley quote..
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Anticipating your follow up...
For ME it's not about "winning"...it's about obeying.
I'll vote for a pro life candidate and leave the consequences up to God.

No, that's not my follow-up.

Walk with me through this thought experiment. Stop me when I'm wrong.

1. For you, "it's about obeying." Fair enough. You believe that if Trump and a random Democrat are the candidates, then God is instructing you to vote for a third-party candidate.

2. There is no chance that the third-party candidate will win the election in the American two-party system. Ergo, either it is not God's will that the third party candidate win the election, or God's will can never be done in America when he chooses the third-party candidate. Since we can assume an all-powerful God would not allow a system in America to be set up that removes any possible way for his will to be done, we can assume God does not intend for the third-party candidate to win.

3. Since I would assume you believe America to at least sometimes be in alignment with God's will in the electoral process, you must conclude that while God is instructing you to vote for a third-party candidate, he must also be instructing other Christians to vote for one of the two mainstream candidates (assuming God has a candidate preference, which you seem to assume). Otherwise, the third-party candidate would win, which we know won't happen. Additionally, the reason he must be instructing you and some others to vote for the third-party candidate is to tip the election in favor of his chosen mainstream candidate by pulling votes away from the non-chosen candidate.

4. Now, since we have established that God must be telling different followers different things, why would we not assume that God is instructing millions of his followers to vote for the Democrat? If you are ruling this out as a possibility, you can only be left with one option - you believe God wants the Republican to win the election.

5. Thus, by voting for a third party, but ruling out that God could consider a pro-choice Democrat as an option, aren't you tacitly admitting you believe God's will is for Trump to win the election, and you just feel better about yourself by voting for a third-party?

6. With that said, who are you really obeying?

 

[Dragon]

Anticipating your follow up...
For ME it's not about "winning"...it's about obeying.
I'll vote for a pro life candidate and leave the consequences up to God.

I consider myself a christian too having been brought up in a lutheran household, but the God I know is kind and understanding and would never require the torture the new laws creates. This is the price a newborn child pays because of the current laws

I have gifted the article so that everyone should be able to read it.

“When he came out you could hear him gasping for air. He was really trying to breathe. ... He didn’t cry when he was born and he didn’t open his eyes at all. But I mean, he struggled.”

Rogell lingered at the funeral home after others left, staring at the urn that contained his 16th grandchild’s ashes and trying to reconcile his own misgivings about elective abortion with the months of suffering he watched his daughter and her family endure.

Now, he was haunted by the sound of Milo gasping for air and the sight of his body struggling to ward off a death that had been inevitable for three long months.
“To me it’s just pure torture,” Rogell said. “The law has created torture.”

https://wapo.st/3NamNI5

 

[SFIDC3]

Please state the question and for you I will give my best effort to answer candidly.

Best effort to answer candidly? Why would one need to make an "effort" to answer candidly? Major red flag, also an indication that one may be a total Christian whackjob......

Some think new Maryland governor Wes Moore could be a future presidential candidate

I like Wes Moore a lot.....but too early I think....maybe 2028.....

 

[Incumbent]

No, that's not my follow-up.

Walk with me through this thought experiment. Stop me when I'm wrong.

1. For you, "it's about obeying." Fair enough. You believe that if Trump and a random Democrat are the candidates, then God is instructing you to vote for a third-party candidate.

2. There is no chance that the third-party candidate will win the election in the American two-party system. Ergo, either it is not God's will that the third party candidate win the election, or God's will can never be done in America when he chooses the third-party candidate. Since we can assume an all-powerful God would not allow a system in America to be set up that removes any possible way for his will to be done, we can assume God does not intend for the third-party candidate to win.

3. Since I would assume you believe America to at least sometimes be in alignment with God's will in the electoral process, you must conclude that while God is instructing you to vote for a third-party candidate, he must also be instructing other Christians to vote for one of the two mainstream candidates (assuming God has a candidate preference, which you seem to assume). Otherwise, the third-party candidate would win, which we know won't happen. Additionally, the reason he must be instructing you and some others to vote for the third-party candidate is to tip the election in favor of his chosen mainstream candidate by pulling votes away from the non-chosen candidate.

4. Now, since we have established that God must be telling different followers different things, why would we not assume that God is instructing millions of his followers to vote for the Democrat? If you are ruling this out as a possibility, you can only be left with one option - you believe God wants the Republican to win the election.

5. Thus, by voting for a third party, but ruling out that God could consider a pro-choice Democrat as an option, aren't you tacitly admitting you believe God's will is for Trump to win the election, and you just feel better about yourself by voting for a third-party?

6. With that said, who are you really obeying?

Steve has made it obvious he isn’t interested in an open and full discussion. He wants people to agree with him about Biden and nothing more.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Steve has made it obvious he isn’t interested in an open and full discussion. He wants people to agree with him about Biden and nothing more.

Very astute.
I am continually amazed by peoples' need to have me answer their very detailed and complex questions.
I only ask of others a simple non time consuming question: If Jeffries was running for President...which he is NOT, would you prefer him over Biden?
This is a simple question that does not require the readers to do much if any research.
Yet the time consuming detailed posts directed at me are not considerate of my time. Wow! Am I a retired and bored person with so much time on my hands? No....I'm not.
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Yet SOME people insist on focusing on me in this Biden thread. I'm not popular, I'm not famous. I'm not anything or anyone worth focusing on.
Certain people compose lengthy posts on complex topics and then expect me to read their posts carefully..then reflect on the issues....then search my conscience and identify my key principals....formulate an opinion.....find online articles and videos to back up my opinions.
Some of you..
1) Ask too much of me
2) Need to realize I have a wife, a job....I have a life.
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Kindly stop asking me bow to your wishes or face sarcastic comments if I don't.
@MT15 does NOT throw sarcastic comments but does expect a lot of me.
@brandon thinks I should be able to sort out the complexities of the life of the not yet born baby vs the relatively low percentage instances of when the mother's life is in danger.
I am not qualified to work these issues out.
I should not be expected to.
I am a poster on tripadvisor.com
and
wdwmagic.com
and
SaintsReport
and
here
On all the sites I just mentioned....I .............just............want.............to ...............pass the time for my enjoyment. I'm not a pastor of a church or a conservative talk show host.
The weighty issues of the world should not be dumped on my shoulders.
Sure, there are those of you are have your left wing frustrations with millions of people who are like me.
I...Steve seem to be your chance to unload your frustrations.
Well.....suck it up.
Steve will not take on that role in your lives.
..................and I should have the freedom to have fun without anyone sitting in judgement of me because I did not fulfill the role YOU feel I should be achieving.

 

[Incumbent]

Very astute.
I am continually amazed by people's need to have me answer their very detailed and complex questions.
I ask a simple question: If Jeffries was running for President...which he is NOT, would you prefer him over Biden?
This is a simple question that does not require the readers to do much if any research.
Not a time consuming thing...ya know?
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Yet others insist on focusing on me in this Biden thread.
They compose lengthy posts on complex topics and then expect me to read them carefully..reflect on the issues....search my conscience and identify my key principals....formulate an opinion.....find online articles and videos to back up my opinions.
Some of you..
1) Ask too much of me
2) Need to realize I have a wife, a job....I have a life.
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Kindly stop asking me bow to your wishes or face sarcastic comments if I don't.
@MT15 does NOT throw sarcastic comments but does expect a lot of me.
@brandon thinks I should be able to sort out the complexities of the life of the not yet born baby vs the relatively low percentage instances of when the mother's life is in danger.
I am not qualified to work these issues out.
I should not be expected to.
As a poster on tripadvisor.com
or
wdwmagic.com
or
SaintsReport
or here
...................I .............just............want.............to ...............pass the time for my enjoment.
The weighty issues of the world should not be dumped on my shoulders.
Sure, their are those of you are have your left wing frustrations with millions of people who are like me.
I...Steve seem to be your chance to unload your frustrations.
Well.....suck it up.
Steve will not take on that role in your lives.
..................and I should have the freedom to have fun without anyone sitting in judgement of me because I did not fulfill the role YOU feel I should be achieving.

We all have lives. I don't think anybody intends or expects to take their frustrations out on you.

I think what you are experiencing is what others find out on message boards; you can't expect to come in making half-hearted points and not expect to be engaged in conversation. And YOU should stop to consider that none of us are here to help entertain you. If that is all you are seeking, I think we can all make note that you aren't interested in serious conversations about important topics.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

We all have lives. I don't think anybody intends or expects to take their frustrations out on you.

I think what you are experiencing is what others find out on message boards; you can't expect to come in making half-hearted points and not expect to be engaged in conversation. And YOU should stop to consider that none of us are here to help entertain you. If that is all you are seeking, I think we can all make note that you aren't interested in serious conversations about important topics.

Perfect.

 

[brandon]

@brandon thinks I should be able to sort out the complexities of the life of the not yet born baby vs the relatively low percentage instances of when the mother's life is in danger.

You made the assertion that God would not support a pro-choice Democrat. It's not my job to just agree to that, as I am a Christian who supports pro-choice Democrats.

I disagree with your position and your reason for holding it, and I gave you a mirror to show you why your position is illogical. If you don't want to look in the mirror, that's fine.

But you really shouldn't make threads here if you don't want discussion. It's a discussion forum, not @SteveSBrickNJ's fun house echo chamber.

 

[brandon]

@brandon thinks I should be able to sort out the complexities of the life of the not yet born baby vs the relatively low percentage instances of when the mother's life is in danger.
I am not qualified to work these issues out.
I should not be expected to.

And no, you are not expected to do that for this forum.

You absolutely should do it when preparing to vote.

Additionally, this is a straw man. My post did not address abortion issues vis a vis the life of the mother at all. It addressed your reasoning for voting third-party and the illogicity of the position.

 

[zztop]

Steve has made it obvious he isn’t interested in an open and full discussion. He wants people to agree with him about Biden and nothing more.

I figured him out months ago and why I don't bother reading anything he posts, and just scroll by it. He does have an established pattern on here and is why he isn't worth wasting time, energy, effort on, when it is obvious the kind of person/poster he is.

 

[J-DONK]

You made the assertion that God would not support a pro-choice Democrat. It's not my job to just agree to that, as I am a Christian who supports pro-choice Democrats.

I disagree with your position and your reason for holding it, and I gave you a mirror to show you why your position is illogical. If you don't want to look in the mirror, that's fine.

But you really shouldn't make threads here if you don't want discussion. It's a discussion forum, not @SteveSBrickNJ's fun house echo chamber.

Then they turn around and tell you Trump was "God's Chosen".

There isn't a single abortion clinic in the country that has aborted more kids then God. Steve would know this if he actually read his bible.

P.S. He was also a big proponent of infanticide as punishment.

 

[SystemShock]

What does it mean to be pro-life?

If you think it means denying women access to potentially life-saving reproductive care, what is that Biblically based on?

What about all the things that Jesus actually spoke about that the GOP clearly ignores?

You have to take into consideration the Biblical value of women.

 

[SystemShock]

Do you think the women in TX who were made to wait for a pregnancy termination until they were septic and deathly ill were manifestations of God‘s will?

Of course he does.