SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (3 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[Taurus]

i dunno. the 2016 Hillary vs Trump will be hard to top when it comes to the 2 worse candidates of all time Vs easch other...

Except that Hillary was immensely well qualified. Maybe the most qualified candidate in a century. She was a First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State. Aside from being Vice President, you just can't get more prepared for the Oval Office than she was. As for character, her heart pumps icewater. Cool and calculating at all times, that's our Hill. Unfortunately, she couldn't turn it off and appear like she cared, or appear like a regular human being.

The woman who appeared on the Colbert Report would've won going away. But that's not who we saw campaigning. Whatever automaton was giving those speeches couldn't grab a crowd to save her life.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Except that Hillary was immensely well qualified. Maybe the most qualified candidate in a century. She was a First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State. Aside from being Vice President, you just can't get more prepared for the Oval Office than she was. As for character, her heart pumps icewater. Cool and calculating at all times, that's our Hill. Unfortunately, she couldn't turn it off and appear like she cared, or appear like a regular human being.

The woman who appeared on the Colbert Report would've won going away. But that's not who we saw campaigning. Whatever automaton was giving those speeches couldn't grab a crowd to save her life.

I agree she was 10x more qualified than Trump. But her character and baggage (some of it being her husbands) jusy turned away too many of the 'on the fence' voters away. Those are the same voters that came back and voted Biden over Trump next time. Had Bernie ran against Trump, it would have been a landslide in Bernies favor. She was qualified, but was just a terrible terrible candidate personally.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I agree she was 10x more qualified than Trump. But her character and baggage (some of it being her husbands) jusy turned away too many of the 'on the fence' voters away. Those are the same voters that came back and voted Biden over Trump next time. Had Bernie ran against Trump, it would have been a landslide in Bernies favor. She was qualified, but was just a terrible terrible candidate personally.

Yep. 2016 was actually the first time I ever voted third party, specifically because of the two at the top of the respective tickets.

 

[coldseat]

A good opinion article on WaPo about Biden's approval rating. It makes no sense for him to be as unpopular at Trump is, yet here we are. It basically boils down to Republican's going full party over country and the mystery that has become of the independent voter. Independents voters have basically come to just dislike everything, it seems. They don't want the extremism of Trump, but also dislike the moderate deal maker that is Biden (which is what they say they want). They're leaving our country rudderless and only making it more likely that our country will be taken by a right wing extremist (be it Trump or DeSantis).

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Throughout Donald Trump’s tenure in office, polls showed he was one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history. That made sense — Trump was bad at governing and seemed almost as if he were trying to be disliked. But for almost two years now, Joe Biden has been just as unpopular as Trump was, and at times even more so. That’s not necessarily bad for the Democrats. But it’s bad for democracy.

The numbers behind Biden’s unpopularity are easy to understand. Like Trump, he has almost universal support within his own party, virtually none from the opposite party and terrible numbers among independents. Biden’s approval with Democrats is 84 percent, according to recent Gallup polling, similar to Trump’s 87 percent from Republicans midway through this third year in office. Biden is at 33 percent approval among independents, same as Trump in May 2019. (In contrast, Bill Clinton was at 56 percent with independents halfway through his third year, George W. Bush at 62, Barack Obama at 46. Bush’s numbers were very high in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.)

Biden has a 4 percent approval rating among Republicans. That’s much worse than Clinton (20 percent) and Obama (16 percent) but not unlike Trump’s 8 percent among Democrats.

What’s harder to understand is why Biden is so unpopular. There are some obvious reasons that he is not loved. Inflation is unusually high. Negative partisanship has grown substantially since Clinton’s tenure — it’s not clear any president could have 20 percent approval from people in the opposite party. The president’s centrist, bipartisan approach likely ensures a bloc of younger and more progressive Democrats won’t be thrilled with him. Voters in Britain, Canada, France and numerous other countries are also dissatisfied with their leaders, according to polls, so perhaps it’s almost impossible to be a popular politician in 2023.

Finally, even though Biden defeated Trump and Hillary Clinton didn’t, Biden is in many ways similar to Clinton, who was also never very popular. Both are skilled at behind-the-scenes governing and appealing to older stalwart Democratic voters on the campaign trail but struggle to connect with younger and less engaged voters.

But I’m not sure that all adds up to Biden being as unpopular as Trump. The president is not perfect. But he has hired competent advisers, successfully managed crises such as the potential debt default, enacted legislation that polls well with the public, reached deals with the opposite party, made smart decisions on foreign policy, and acted with dignity and grace.

It’s striking that Biden, who makes a great effort to reach out to Republicans — both lawmakers and voters — is so hated by them, significantly more than Obama was. Fox News and other factors driving partisan polarization existed during Obama’s presidency. And unlike Trump, Biden does not talk or make policy as if he were president of only half the country. (Biden, of course, sometimes is quite partisan and harsh. Two years ago, he, appropriately in my view, likened a Georgia voting law to “Jim Crow 2.0,” infuriating conservatives so much that they still regularly complain about this remark.)

Nor is it obvious why independents aren’t responding favorably to Biden’s numerous bipartisan deals. After all, some governors are quite popular. And they tend to be Biden-ish moderates, such as Republican Phil Scott of Vermont (81 percent approval according to Morning Consult) and Democrat Andy Beshear of Kentucky (60 percent).
If I told you in June 2020 that in June 2023 businesses would be totally reopened as if the pandemic had never happened, that unemployment would be low, Black unemployment its lowest-ever, and that major climate change and infrastructure laws had passed, I think you would have been very surprised to learn that Biden’s approval ratings would be virtually the same as Trump’s.

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Biden has been the kind of president that I thought Americans wanted. But voters aren’t really rewarding him for that. That’s disappointing. A nation that regards Biden and Trump as similarly flawed politicians is one that is going to wind up with more Trump-style leaders who are cruel and corrupt — and not good at governing either.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/20/biden-unpopularity-low-approval-ratings-bad-for-democracy/

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Yep. 2016 was actually the first time I ever voted third party, specifically because of the two at the top of the respective tickets.

The last Dem/Rep candidate i voted President for was Al Gore. 2016 was the first time i thought about breaking that, if Bernie would have gotten the nomination. He was the exception for me.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

The last Dem/Rep candidate i voted President for was Al Gore. 2016 was the first time i thought about breaking that, if Bernie would have gotten the nomination. He was the exception for me.

I openly supported Bernie in 2016 in Louisiana and got flack when I openly said I wasn't voting for HRC after she got the nomination. I was blamed for Trump winning... in Louisiana.

 

[zztop]

I openly supported Bernie in 2016 in Louisiana and got flack when I openly said I wasn't voting for HRC after she got the nomination. I was blamed for Trump winning... in Louisiana.

Sounds like a similar situation as mine. Living in a state where you vote wouldn't have made a difference no matter what you did

 

[Taurus]

A good opinion article on WaPo about Biden's approval rating. It makes no sense for him to be as unpopular at Trump is, yet here we are. It basically boils down to Republican's going full party over country and the mystery that has become of the independent voter. Independents voters have basically come to just dislike everything, it seems. They don't want the extremism of Trump, but also dislike the moderate deal maker that is Biden (which is what they say they want). They're leaving our country rudderless and only making it more likely that our country will be taken our be a right wing extremist (be it Trump or DeSantis).

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Throughout Donald Trump’s tenure in office, polls showed he was one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history. That made sense — Trump was bad at governing and seemed almost as if he were trying to be disliked. But for almost two years now, Joe Biden has been just as unpopular as Trump was, and at times even more so. That’s not necessarily bad for the Democrats. But it’s bad for democracy.

The numbers behind Biden’s unpopularity are easy to understand. Like Trump, he has almost universal support within his own party, virtually none from the opposite party and terrible numbers among independents. Biden’s approval with Democrats is 84 percent, according to recent Gallup polling, similar to Trump’s 87 percent from Republicans midway through this third year in office. Biden is at 33 percent approval among independents, same as Trump in May 2019. (In contrast, Bill Clinton was at 56 percent with independents halfway through his third year, George W. Bush at 62, Barack Obama at 46. Bush’s numbers were very high in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.)

Biden has a 4 percent approval rating among Republicans. That’s much worse than Clinton (20 percent) and Obama (16 percent) but not unlike Trump’s 8 percent among Democrats.

What’s harder to understand is why Biden is so unpopular. There are some obvious reasons that he is not loved. Inflation is unusually high. Negative partisanship has grown substantially since Clinton’s tenure — it’s not clear any president could have 20 percent approval from people in the opposite party. The president’s centrist, bipartisan approach likely ensures a bloc of younger and more progressive Democrats won’t be thrilled with him. Voters in Britain, Canada, France and numerous other countries are also dissatisfied with their leaders, according to polls, so perhaps it’s almost impossible to be a popular politician in 2023.

Finally, even though Biden defeated Trump and Hillary Clinton didn’t, Biden is in many ways similar to Clinton, who was also never very popular. Both are skilled at behind-the-scenes governing and appealing to older stalwart Democratic voters on the campaign trail but struggle to connect with younger and less engaged voters.

But I’m not sure that all adds up to Biden being as unpopular as Trump. The president is not perfect. But he has hired competent advisers, successfully managed crises such as the potential debt default, enacted legislation that polls well with the public, reached deals with the opposite party, made smart decisions on foreign policy, and acted with dignity and grace.

It’s striking that Biden, who makes a great effort to reach out to Republicans — both lawmakers and voters — is so hated by them, significantly more than Obama was. Fox News and other factors driving partisan polarization existed during Obama’s presidency. And unlike Trump, Biden does not talk or make policy as if he were president of only half the country. (Biden, of course, sometimes is quite partisan and harsh. Two years ago, he, appropriately in my view, likened a Georgia voting law to “Jim Crow 2.0,” infuriating conservatives so much that they still regularly complain about this remark.)

Nor is it obvious why independents aren’t responding favorably to Biden’s numerous bipartisan deals. After all, some governors are quite popular. And they tend to be Biden-ish moderates, such as Republican Phil Scott of Vermont (81 percent approval according to Morning Consult) and Democrat Andy Beshear of Kentucky (60 percent).
If I told you in June 2020 that in June 2023 businesses would be totally reopened as if the pandemic had never happened, that unemployment would be low, Black unemployment its lowest-ever, and that major climate change and infrastructure laws had passed, I think you would have been very surprised to learn that Biden’s approval ratings would be virtually the same as Trump’s.

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Biden has been the kind of president that I thought Americans wanted. But voters aren’t really rewarding him for that. That’s disappointing. A nation that regards Biden and Trump as similarly flawed politicians is one that is going to wind up with more Trump-style leaders who are cruel and corrupt — and not good at governing either.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/20/biden-unpopularity-low-approval-ratings-bad-for-democracy/

Because the MSM doesn't talk about the good things. At all. For anyone.
Doom sells, y'all. All is treachery and hatred, so buy like there's no tomorrow...because there ain't!

 

[Optimus Prime]

A good opinion article on WaPo about Biden's approval rating. It makes no sense for him to be as unpopular at Trump is, yet here we are. It basically boils down to Republican's going full party over country and the mystery that has become of the independent voter. Independents voters have basically come to just dislike everything, it seems. They don't want the extremism of Trump, but also dislike the moderate deal maker that is Biden (which is what they say they want). They're leaving our country rudderless and only making it more likely that our country will be taken our be a right wing extremist (be it Trump or DeSantis).

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Throughout Donald Trump’s tenure in office, polls showed he was one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history. That made sense — Trump was bad at governing and seemed almost as if he were trying to be disliked. But for almost two years now, Joe Biden has been just as unpopular as Trump was, and at times even more so. That’s not necessarily bad for the Democrats. But it’s bad for democracy.

The numbers behind Biden’s unpopularity are easy to understand. Like Trump, he has almost universal support within his own party, virtually none from the opposite party and terrible numbers among independents. Biden’s approval with Democrats is 84 percent, according to recent Gallup polling, similar to Trump’s 87 percent from Republicans midway through this third year in office. Biden is at 33 percent approval among independents, same as Trump in May 2019. (In contrast, Bill Clinton was at 56 percent with independents halfway through his third year, George W. Bush at 62, Barack Obama at 46. Bush’s numbers were very high in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.)

Biden has a 4 percent approval rating among Republicans. That’s much worse than Clinton (20 percent) and Obama (16 percent) but not unlike Trump’s 8 percent among Democrats.

What’s harder to understand is why Biden is so unpopular. There are some obvious reasons that he is not loved. Inflation is unusually high. Negative partisanship has grown substantially since Clinton’s tenure — it’s not clear any president could have 20 percent approval from people in the opposite party. The president’s centrist, bipartisan approach likely ensures a bloc of younger and more progressive Democrats won’t be thrilled with him. Voters in Britain, Canada, France and numerous other countries are also dissatisfied with their leaders, according to polls, so perhaps it’s almost impossible to be a popular politician in 2023.

Finally, even though Biden defeated Trump and Hillary Clinton didn’t, Biden is in many ways similar to Clinton, who was also never very popular. Both are skilled at behind-the-scenes governing and appealing to older stalwart Democratic voters on the campaign trail but struggle to connect with younger and less engaged voters.

But I’m not sure that all adds up to Biden being as unpopular as Trump. The president is not perfect. But he has hired competent advisers, successfully managed crises such as the potential debt default, enacted legislation that polls well with the public, reached deals with the opposite party, made smart decisions on foreign policy, and acted with dignity and grace.

It’s striking that Biden, who makes a great effort to reach out to Republicans — both lawmakers and voters — is so hated by them, significantly more than Obama was. Fox News and other factors driving partisan polarization existed during Obama’s presidency. And unlike Trump, Biden does not talk or make policy as if he were president of only half the country. (Biden, of course, sometimes is quite partisan and harsh. Two years ago, he, appropriately in my view, likened a Georgia voting law to “Jim Crow 2.0,” infuriating conservatives so much that they still regularly complain about this remark.)

Nor is it obvious why independents aren’t responding favorably to Biden’s numerous bipartisan deals. After all, some governors are quite popular. And they tend to be Biden-ish moderates, such as Republican Phil Scott of Vermont (81 percent approval according to Morning Consult) and Democrat Andy Beshear of Kentucky (60 percent).
If I told you in June 2020 that in June 2023 businesses would be totally reopened as if the pandemic had never happened, that unemployment would be low, Black unemployment its lowest-ever, and that major climate change and infrastructure laws had passed, I think you would have been very surprised to learn that Biden’s approval ratings would be virtually the same as Trump’s.

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Biden has been the kind of president that I thought Americans wanted. But voters aren’t really rewarding him for that. That’s disappointing. A nation that regards Biden and Trump as similarly flawed politicians is one that is going to wind up with more Trump-style leaders who are cruel and corrupt — and not good at governing either.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/20/biden-unpopularity-low-approval-ratings-bad-for-democracy/

Barring a 9–11 type unifying national tragedy I think the days of high approval ratings across the board are over

Really think this is the new normal

 

[Optimus Prime]

Because the MSM doesn't talk about the good things. At all. For anyone.
Doom sells, y'all. All is treachery and hatred, so buy like there's no tomorrow...because there ain't!

Plus they came down so hard on Trump they feel they have to give Biden a rough time too

 

[MT15]

Plus they came down so hard on Trump they feel they have to give Biden a rough time too

Fake both sides! It’s actually harmful to our democracy but it’s the game they play.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

More of the same.
Just sharing anyway...
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Biden’s age is stumbling block to reelection

Worries from U.S. voters that President Biden is too old to serve another four-year term as president are increasingly looking like the biggest challenge the president faces in winning reelection next year. Biden, at the age of 80, is already the oldest person to serve as president, and he would...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

When they made the rules for president, they should have included a max age as well as the minimum age. I guess they didn't think people would be trying to be preisdent after 70. I wouldn't have a problem with capping the at at 75.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

When they made the rules for president, they should have included a max age as well as the minimum age. I guess they didn't think people would be trying to be preisdent after 70. I wouldn't have a problem with capping the at at 75.

A publication called: "The Morning Call" states that in 1787 the average life expectancy was age 38.
When I used my Android Cell Phone and I "asked Google" the response was life expectancy for 1787 in America = 36.
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Whichever source you trust, your main point is solid.
Our founding fathers would not have expected an 80 year old to ever be President of the United States.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

A publication called: "The Morning Call" states that in 1787 the average life expectancy was age 38.
When I used my Android Cell Phone and I "asked Google" the response was life expectancy for 1787 in America = 36.
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Whichever source you trust, your main point is solid.
Our founding fathers would not have expected an 80 year old to ever be President of the United States.

As far as average age being 36 is one of those stats thats kinda skewed. It makes is seem like 36 was a ripe old age..lol. It was low because of the high infant and child death rates. There were plenty of people who lived into the 80 and 90s. heck, John Adams lived to be like 90 years old.
But yes, I really wish they would have put some kind of restrictions on age

 

[brandon]

More of the same.
Just sharing anyway...
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Biden’s age is stumbling block to reelection

Worries from U.S. voters that President Biden is too old to serve another four-year term as president are increasingly looking like the biggest challenge the president faces in winning reelection next year. Biden, at the age of 80, is already the oldest person to serve as president, and he would...

www.yahoo.com

Let's say you're right and Biden shouldn't run due to his age.

Who do you believe should run on the Democratic side as his replacement?

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Biden is 80! He is too old.. But Trump is SO much younger at 77..lol