SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (1 Viewer)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[SaintForLife]

It's a talking fact. Even if the verdict is set aside over a tecnality, it will still be a fact that he's a criminal.

Only in the minds of democrats.

 

[Saint Jack]

Only in the minds of democrats.

It’s crazy that the GOP will jump through hoops to try and ignore that Trump is a convicted felon while saying they are the law, order, and family values party.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Incumbent]

I have growing concerns this is nothing more than a plot to divide democrats, weaken enthusiasm, and hand the election to Trump.

Who are the donors? What are they doing to pressure candidates to come out in opposition? It looks like party leadership might be falling behind Biden.

When you’ve got the support of Sanders and AOC, who could have seen this as a chance to shift the party, instead, supporting Biden and warning of the consequnces of removing him, I think that should weigh heavily into consideration.

I’m not clear on it yet but seeing discussion about a Pass the Torch PAC that Dean Phillips and Andrew Yang reportedly have ties to. Had already lost confidence in both of them. Tech-bro funded coup?

Mike Johnson is confirming there will be legal challenges if there is a candidate change. I don’t trust the courts.

It would be extraordinarily unconventional but, if a change has to happen, it might be the best the party can do is flip the ticket to Harris - Biden. Keep the candidates the same and hope that creates enough cover from litigation. I don’t know.

The more I read and consider, the less convinced I am this was ever the product of legitimate, organic concerns.

 

[Maxp]

Biden's age and mental acuity are 100% legitimate concerns and I believe he should have bowed out of a 2nd term. That being said, his chances were torpedoed the minute he made his tax policy public.

 

[bdb13]

Biden's age and mental acuity are 100% legitimate concerns and I believe he should have bowed out of a 2nd term. That being said, his chances were torpedoed the minute he made his tax policy public.

My counter to this being mostly centered around his tax policy is that if Biden had performed well in the debate I don't think this would be occurring. Not THIS, anyway.

 

[Incumbent]

Biden's age and mental acuity are 100% legitimate concerns and I believe he should have bowed out of a 2nd term. That being said, his chances were torpedoed the minute he made his tax policy public.

I’m not dismissing legitimate concerns - I have those - I’m talking about the almost immediate movement to oust him. (I could have worded that better.) I have a growing belief that the swift donor organization could have been the result of finding a moment to exploit. Biden was bad in the debates but Trump raises concerns most of the time.

At this point, though, we’re almost assuredly too far along to make a change. Our best shot was organizing around the ticket and focusing on beating Trump. I’m not sure the intended damage hasn’t already been done and we can still recover from this.

 

[Incumbent]

My counter to this being mostly centered around his tax policy is that if Biden had performed well in the debate I don't think this would be occurring. Not THIS, anyway.

Perhaps, but it still gets downplayed how badly Trump performed in the debate. I think most Biden supporters felt a strong jolt of concern from his performance, and questioned his ability as the right candidate, but it’s always been unlikely the party could make a ticket change that can close the gap and win in November (and withstand legal challenges). Imagine if enough effort had gone into portraying Trump for who he really is over the last few weeks?

I have been clear I have concerns about this from every angle from the beginning. Now it’s starting to look like it’s at least possible that the forces behind this might not actually have the same concerns and objectives we all claim to.

 

[bdb13]

I’m not dismissing legitimate concerns - I have those - I’m talking about the almost immediate movement to oust him. (I could have worded that better.) I have a growing belief that the swift donor organization could have been the result of finding a moment to exploit. Biden was bad in the debates but Trump raises concerns most of the time.

At this point, though, we’re almost assuredly too far along to make a change. Our best shot was organizing around the ticket and focusing on beating Trump. I’m not sure the intended damage hasn’t already been done and we can still recover from this.

That's fair. I'll just say... Biden gave them that moment on an absolute silver platter if that's the case. Like, in those moments where he was clearly operating with a lower mental capacity than Trump.. I think the simplest explanation is probably the most correct and that mostly this has been a collective freakout due to what we all witnessed on the debate stage.

 

[faceman]

Only in the minds of democrats.

No, only in the minds of those of us who know he's a convicted felon.

Trump Is a Convicted Felon. Does That Actually Mean Anything?

He cannot serve on a jury. BU LAW experts explain what rights the former president may or may not see restricted and how that could affect a Trump presidency

www.bu.edu

he was only granted bail because of who he is.

 

[Incumbent]

That's fair. I'll just say... Biden gave them that moment on an absolute silver platter if that's the case. Like, in those moments where he was clearly operating with a lower mental capacity than Trump.. I think the simplest explanation is probably the most correct and that mostly this has been a collective freakout due to what we all witnessed on the debate stage.

Agreed and it was a bad performance. Biden hasn’t been a strong debater that I can ever recall, and it’s not surprising that it’s a weak skill that is getting worse with age.

There have been positive moments since, though, that have largely gone ignored or aren’t resonating. And people who work with him have expressed their belief that he’s capable and competent in carrying out his duties.

Mostly I think we have to accept what a mess this is and that there isn’t a clear best path forward.

And that this is also looking like a reminder of the outsized influence wealth has on elections and power.

 

[bdb13]

Perhaps, but it still gets downplayed how badly Trump performed in the debate. I think most Biden supporters felt a strong jolt of concern from his performance, and questioned his ability as the right candidate, but it’s always been unlikely the party could make a ticket change that can close the gap and win in November (and withstand legal challenges). Imagine if enough effort had gone into portraying Trump for who he really is over the last few weeks?

I have been clear I have concerns about this from every angle from the beginning. Now it’s starting to look like it’s at least possible that the forces behind this might not actually have the same concerns and objectives we all claim to.

What are your feelings on the interests of the people like Obama who have apparently been moving behind the scenes to push him out? I don't dismiss what you're saying and there's probably at least some truth to it, I just think this is sort of all happening from multiple angles.

 

[bdb13]

Agreed and it was a bad performance. Biden hasn’t been a strong debater that I can ever recall, and it’s not surprising that it’s a weak skill that is getting worse with age.

There have been positive moments since, though, that have largely gone ignored or aren’t resonating. And people who work with him have expressed their belief that he’s capable and competent in carrying out his duties.

Mostly I think we have to accept what a mess this is and that there isn’t a clear best path forward.

And that this is also looking like a reminder of the outsized influence wealth has on elections and power.

The debate was worse than bad in my view.. we've seen people have poor debates but this was different.. maybe somewhere in the realm of Rick Perry where he crumbled up there along with his presidential aspirations, but I don't recall if that was just the one moment or if it was across the entire debate..

For as crazy as Trump is the contrast was still so stark.. one person seemed like he was clearly still with it and the other one clearly not. I don't remember ever seeing anything like it in a presidential debate anyway.

I also personally don't put any stock into what the people around him are saying as it's abundantly clear they've misled the public over the past year or two in regards to Biden's cognitive ability. I mean, on some level I get it and I know that the plan was for him to do well in this debate and to be able to dispel a lot of those notions.. unfortunately it only served to broaden and reinforce them.

I agree that this is displaying the outsized influence the wealthy can and do have over every level of this. Get the money out of this shirt is one of my big things but it'll never happen.

 

[SamAndreas]

The Democratic Chairs wrote in part:

We write as the chairs of the Democratic state parties in the seven states that tipped the 2020 election for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris—and which will decide which presidential ticket reaches 270 electoral college votes in 2024.

We know how to win elections in our states. And we know that Democrats can and will win up and down the ballot, from President Biden and Vice President Harris down to state legislative candidates in toss-up seats to school board races. The key ingredient is something that is up to all of us: focus.

Democrats at all levels are running on a unified message of freedom, democracy, and an economy that works for working people. When the choice is clear, our candidates and our message beat, hands down, Trump, Vance, and the MAGA threat of abortion bans, dictatorship, and giveaways to billionaires. But right now, many voters aren’t hearing that from our party.

We understand the anxiety. But the best antidote to political anxiety is taking action. You can’t wring your hands when you’re rolling up your sleeves. When we all lend our voices to contrasting the Democratic vision—from Biden-Harris straight down the ticket—with the MAGA nightmare, we win.

Our view about the clear path forward comes from hard-won experience. In 2020, the Biden-Harris ticket won six of our seven states. Out of 31,091,785 votes cast, Biden’s combined margin across our states added up to 311,257 votes—almost precisely 1%. In 2022, amidst a predicted red wave, Democrats won four of six governor’s races, four of six U.S. Senate races, and four of five Secretary of State races—sometimes by landslides, and sometimes by margins as small as 0.29%.

We know tough races. We’ve all experienced the “poll-er coaster,” the ups and downs, the moments that supposedly change everything only to be superseded by another moment that changes everything a month later. We’ve all seen moments when Democrats focused more on arguing with each other than defeating Republicans. And we know that we’ve won when, as a party, we came out of those moments by refocusing on doing the things that each of us, at every level, could do to advance towards victory.

The noise on replacing Biden as the nominee has come from the donor class of the Democratic Party. There is a reason why Democratic leadership within the party itself has not called for Biden to step aside. The majority of Democratic voters see the foolishness of kicking Biden to the curb 107 days before an election.

A majority of Democratic voters don’t want Biden gone, and until that would happen, there is no chance that President Biden is going anywhere.



Note: It's a two page letter, this was some of it, the link to the whole letter is at the link on the top. This puts 7 points on the Biden scoreboard, eracing half of the bump Biden side's gain from yesterday.

Also Note: This letter was in the mail before Manchen plugged the hole in the dike with his Independent thumb.

 

[SamAndreas]

What are your feelings on the interests of the people like Obama who have apparently been moving behind the scenes to push him out? I don't dismiss what you're saying and there's probably at least some truth to it, I just think this is sort of all happening from multiple angles.

I've not seen any but gossip circling the drain as to Obama and Biden being at odds with each other.

I need a direct quote from Obama, or Biden, for it to register in this climate of deceit by the media as a whole.

For the duration I'm not accepting unnamed sources said ... .

At this point there's not a source in America I trust enough to accept the unnamed sources game. That kind of news is no news.

 

[Incumbent]

What are your feelings on the interests of the people like Obama who have apparently been moving behind the scenes to push him out? I don't dismiss what you're saying and there's probably at least some truth to it, I just think this is sort of all happening from multiple angles.

Well, I’m maintaining some skepticism about everything that’s being reported, whether it’s what I want to hear or not. As a balance to that, though, both Clintons are reportedly working to coalesce support for Biden.

I may have come to the wrong understanding but I have the impression that Obama has never really wanted to play kingmaker, at least when it comes to Biden. Might be their relationship and proximity, could be something else. Or I could just be wrong.

I do think that most ultra wealthy and adversaries want Trump to win, and they are taking a multipronged approach in achieving that. That means targeting the Democratic party and voters. The Trump campaign apparatus is in their third election perfecting this craft.

 

[bdb13]

I've not seen any but gossip circling the drain as to Obama and Biden being at odds with each other.

I need a direct quote from Obama, or Biden, for it to register in this climate of deceit by the media as a whole.

For the duration I'm not accepting unnamed sources said ... .

At this point there's not a source in America I trust enough to accept the unnamed sources game. That kind of news is no news.

Fair. Though I'm not aware of any strong denials from Obama himself and if it were me and this was all bullshirt I think I'd come out and call it so myself.. which leads me to believe there's probably something to it.

 

[bdb13]

Biden has announced he is stepping aside

 

[el caliente]

He said “no mas”