SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (3 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[MT15]

From Amy Siskind, I sure hope they have a plan to head off a contested convention.

“Some of you seem to be under the misperception that if Biden were to drop out, it would be a smooth, seamless, glide path to Harris picking a VP candidate, and then a victory in November.

Let me share some reality with you.

First of all, there is no precedent for a presidential candidate dropping out so late. And I remind you we are Democrats - we don't get in line, we navel gaze and argue. Reporting is that many in the donor class do not want Harris. There would more likely be a contested convention. Great for media ratings. Will this ensure we end up with a candidate that can win in November after all the infighting over the next month? That is uncertain.

I just want to prepare you all for what happens the next day. I think there is widespread naiveté, enhanced by our media who are frothing at the mouth for the "excitement" of a contested convention. This is not reality. It will be timultuous, ugly, personal, Democrats turning on Democrats and you know all the rest - a normal primary on steroids.

I am not saying we wouldn't win, I am saying many of you are naive to believe that Biden drops out and we ride into the sunset.”

 

[J-DONK]

I'm guessing the polling doesn't show Harris doing any better.

Let's not pretend he would stay in the race because he is the better choice. Every single major centrist Democratic leader has told him to drop out. His donations are drying up as well.

I don't expect an announcement until Sunday, possibly Monday morning.

 

[Lapaz]

When is it acceptable to change candidates after primaries have locked in a candidate? How much evidence of decline in health justifies it? Would it be justified if a candidate were diagnosed with a serious disease that almost guarantees they can't serve effectively or possibly finish their term? The problem is that the perception is that Biden may have such a condition, but we have incomplete information, so we're left making judgements on that limited information. All efforts are not effectively changing the perception. They seem to be reinforcing the perception. Maybe there is more misogyny than I believe among Biden voters, but Hillary was on track to win until Comey dropped the bomb. If there are misogynists, then it'll just be a question of whether their misogyny is outweighed by their repulsion of Trump. I like our chances of persuading the misogynists that Harris can govern well than convincing people that are concerned about Biden's health that he will get better or hasn't declined significantly.

 

[MT15]

Let's not pretend he would stay in the race because he is the better choice. Every single major centrist Democratic leader has told him to drop out. His donations are drying up as well.

I don't expect an announcement until Sunday, possibly Monday morning.

If this comes to be, I really hope Biden is negotiating a smooth transition and everyone quits shooting themselves in the foot.

Someone said today that Pelosi and Schumer were major boosters of making Clinton the nominee in 2016, which didn’t make me comfortable.

 

[Lapaz]

From Amy Siskind, I sure hope they have a plan to head off a contested convention.

“Some of you seem to be under the misperception that if Biden were to drop out, it would be a smooth, seamless, glide path to Harris picking a VP candidate, and then a victory in November.

Let me share some reality with you.

First of all, there is no precedent for a presidential candidate dropping out so late. And I remind you we are Democrats - we don't get in line, we navel gaze and argue. Reporting is that many in the donor class do not want Harris. There would more likely be a contested convention. Great for media ratings. Will this ensure we end up with a candidate that can win in November after all the infighting over the next month? That is uncertain.

I just want to prepare you all for what happens the next day. I think there is widespread naiveté, enhanced by our media who are frothing at the mouth for the "excitement" of a contested convention. This is not reality. It will be timultuous, ugly, personal, Democrats turning on Democrats and you know all the rest - a normal primary on steroids.

I am not saying we wouldn't win, I am saying many of you are naive to believe that Biden drops out and we ride into the sunset.”

If Biden gives Harris his delegates, doesn't that practically eliminate a contested election, since many delegates would be legally obligated to vote for Harris? There are some that wouldn't be legally obligated, but most would still vote for Harris if Biden gives the delegates to her. The contest could be for the VP.

 

[J-DONK]

If Biden gives Harris his delegates, doesn't that practically eliminate a contested election, since many delegates would be legally obligated to vote for Harris? There are some that wouldn't be legally obligated, but most would still vote for Harris if Biden gives the delegates to her. The contest could be for the VP.

It does, they can technically vote for whoever, but these are all people loyal to Biden. Even in a contested convention, the betting money would still be overwhelming on Harris. In fact, one of the major talking points for making Harris the nominee is the inevitable of it. "You are just wasting time otherwise."

I don't think it's going to be contentious process.

 

[MT15]

If Biden gives Harris his delegates, doesn't that practically eliminate a contested election, since many delegates would be legally obligated to vote for Harris? There are some that wouldn't be legally obligated, but most would still vote for Harris if Biden gives the delegates to her. The contest could be for the VP.

I didn’t think he could compel them to vote for anyone. He can release them, but he cannot make them vote for Harris. He could request, and we can hope they would comply. But it wouldn’t be automatic.

 

[MT15]

I don't think it's going to be contentious process.

I hope you are right, but after the last 2 weeks I’m not sure why you feel that way. It’s been pretty contentious already.

 

[J-DONK]

I hope you are right, but after the last 2 weeks I’m not sure why you feel that way. It’s been pretty contentious already.

I'll put it this way. If Biden tells his delegates to vote for Harris. That's it. I don't know if anyone would else would want to rock the boat. If Harris loses, they all get to run in 4 years in a wide open primary.

 

[RobF]

Don't they have to get it sorted quickly if they want the early virtual nomination to avoid any shenanigans with the Ohio deadline?

 

[MT15]

Don't they have to get it sorted quickly if they want the early virtual nomination to avoid any shenanigans with the Ohio deadline?

Yeah, I don’t think they can wait for the convention tbh. The Ohio State legislature extended the deadline, but I read they put some poison pills in there which basically nullifies the extension. I haven’t read up on it fully. That’s why the DNC was still planning to do a virtual nomination process pretty soon.

 

[Lapaz]

I hope you are right, but after the last 2 weeks I’m not sure why you feel that way. It’s been pretty contentious already.

The contentiousness is there because people think we're hurting Biden by speaking out loud what most already are thinking. Many people don't want to tell the emperor that he has no clothes. Many think that it is disloyal, and that draws out their ire, while others think we're likely to lose if we don't change. It's true that we'll have other things that will generate ire, but I think it is insane to keep doing what we've been doing, when the race should not be close. Donors are starting to think it is a lost cause, so they don't want to waste their money, but they will still vote for Biden. There are no guarantees, but I think the odds improve with a lot of different candidates. Trump should not be getting over 45% with any reasonable competition.

 

[J-DONK]

Don't they have to get it sorted quickly if they want the early virtual nomination to avoid any shenanigans with the Ohio deadline?

The only reason to care is hurting turnout by not having the president on the ticket. Sherrod Brown has been up a stable margin for months. Trump has won Ohio by 8 both times.

 

[LA - L.A.]

If Biden gives Harris his delegates...

That's not at all how it works. Biden can't give his delegates to anyone. He can only release them to vote however they choose. This is an example of how people are speculating in the realm of fantasy and not reality.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Don't they have to get it sorted quickly if they want the early virtual nomination to avoid any shenanigans with the Ohio deadline?

They have until Aug 7th to meet the normal deadline in Ohio.

 

[SamAndreas]

I mean this nbc article came out 4 hours ago:

Biden's family starts discussing his possible exit plan from the 2024 race

The president’s family members have discussed how he would want to end his re-election bid on his own timing and with a carefully calculated plan in place.

www.nbcnews.com

Golly, articles one over the other which disagree. I wonder which one I should regard as being most credible.

The one I posted which has a factual basis in that it directly quotes Biden's words, it's a real news article.

Or that goofy fluff gosip article you posted which says someone cowardly said.... Gossip pure gossip, no facts which a reader can verify. It's a faith article, one must have faith.


Here's Biden's actual words: “Together, as a party and as a country, we can and will defeat him at the ballot box,” Biden said. “The stakes are high, and the choice is clear. Together, we will win.”

10% of the Democratic congress critters have now joined the mostly white folk rebellion. Which means 90% have not joined the mostly white folk rebellion.

"When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!"--unknown

 

[SamAndreas]

You would be surprised. I say that as a woman with an online presence who mostly interacts with democrats.

I'm not a woman, but I wouldn't be surprised by it at all. Racist and misogynist added together, (because they do quit often go hand in hand together), I will estimate they be 10 to 15 percent of our party.

In 2020 I think 8% or 9% of our party voted for that Criminal, so I think the 10 to 15 percent estimate is in line with that.

 

[bdb13]

A fourth senator

Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio called on President Joe Biden to end his re-election campaign Friday, becoming the fourth Democrat in the chamber to ask Biden to drop out of the race.

“Over the last few weeks, I’ve heard from Ohioans on important issues, such as how to continue to grow jobs in our state, give law enforcement the resources to crack down on fentanyl, protect Social Security and Medicare from cuts, and prevent the ongoing efforts to impose a national abortion ban,” Brown said in a written statement shared first with NBC News. “These are the issues Ohioans care about and it is my job to keep fighting for them.”

“I agree with the many Ohioans who have reached out to me,” Brown added. “At this critical time, our full attention must return to these important issues. I think the President should end his campaign.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...d-brown-calls-biden-drop-2024-race-rcna162804