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    Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
    He is getting up there in age.
    Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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    www.theguardian.com

    Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

    In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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    news.yahoo.com

    Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

    A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...
    news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com
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    WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
    IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER? :unsure:
     
    coldseat said:
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    For months, Republican voters have consumed such a steady diet of clips of Biden stumbling, over words and sandbags, that they now see the 80-year-old Democratic incumbent as so frail that he would be beatable by practically any Republican — even a four-times-indicted former president who lost the last election.
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    That's Fox News and conservative media reinforcing those beliefs there. The problem is that most of the electorate isn't watching Fox News or listening to conservative media. It's no surprise that the majority of Republican voters are off base with the rest of the electorate when all they get fed are lies and exaggerations from the right wing.

    Maybe one day Republicans will wise up and stop watching and listening to right wing propaganda media, but I'm not holding my breath that it will be for this election.
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    I love that one study (from years ago) that basically said that regular viewers of Fox News were less informed than people who watched no news at all
     
    coldseat said:
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    For months, Republican voters have consumed such a steady diet of clips of Biden stumbling, over words and sandbags, that they now see the 80-year-old Democratic incumbent as so frail that he would be beatable by practically any Republican — even a four-times-indicted former president who lost the last election.
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    That's Fox News and conservative media reinforcing those beliefs there. The problem is that most of the electorate isn't watching Fox News or listening to conservative media. It's no surprise that the majority of Republican voters are off base with the rest of the electorate when all they get fed are lies and exaggerations from the right wing.

    Maybe one day Republicans will wise up and stop watching and listening to right wing propaganda media, but I'm not holding my breath that it will be for this election.
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    I hope those morons never stop listening to Fox news and it takes down what is passing for the R party these days.....
     
    If Biden froze like this or especially the last Mitch moment, I would be the first in line clambering to evoke the 25th. But he isn't.

    He is experiencing the same slow down any adult does and he isn't showing signs of on set dimentia.

    He has a stutter and has never been an orator. He has put his foot in his mouth since forever.

    Hell, it was the biggest complaint when President Obama selected him. He's gonna gaff! He says things in a really cringy way!
     
    www.economist.com

    Joe Biden’s re-election bid is in trouble

    The Democrats’ bet looks increasingly risky
    www.economist.com www.economist.com

    "Joe Biden’s re-election bid is in trouble

    The Democrats’ bet looks increasingly risky​

    The front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination is under indictment for 91 felonies in four criminal cases, and he probably is, as one of his primary opponents remarked during the recent Republican debate, the most disliked politician in America. Democrats have reason to be smug at the prospect of Donald Trump as the Republican nominee—unless they take a hard look at the vulnerabilities of their own standard-bearer.

    Fewer than one in four Americans (24%) want President Joe Biden to run again, according to a poll published on August 17th by the Associated Press. Even 55% of Democrats do not think he should run. Although his approval rating has ticked up, he remains one of the most unpopular presidents in modern history.

    Mr Biden’s problems are obscured by the drama around Donald Trump’s arrests and the Republican nominating contest. But that is also becoming a problem for the current president: he needs to capture the country’s attention if he hopes to recapture its imagination. Only Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump himself—both one-term presidents, at least so far—had net-negative ratings worse than Mr Biden’s at this point in their presidencies, according to an analysis of aggregated polls by the political publication FiveThirtyEight. In late August, its summary of public polls showed that 42% of Americans approved of the job Mr Biden was doing, whereas 53% disapproved.

    His standing is even worse on the matter Americans care about most, his handling of the economy. The same Associated Press poll found that just 36% approve of his economic stewardship. It is hard to know which half of “Bidenomics” inspires them less.

    On issues such as crime, corruption in government and immigration, surveys suggest Mr Biden’s Republican opponent will have plenty of unhappiness to work with. Even in solidly blue New York, an influx of asylum-seekers—some bused from Republican border states—is souring Democrats on the president. Fewer than half of New Yorkers would vote for Mr Biden in a contest with Mr Trump, according to a recent Siena College poll. Mr Biden still led Mr Trump, 47% to 34% (with lots of abstentions). But that is a lousy margin for a Democrat in New York, far less than the 25-point minimum lead Mr Biden held in 2020.

    To the president’s partisans, all this is unfair. They rightly note the economy is vibrant. Unemployment, at 3.5%, is near a 50-year low, inflation has come down and real wages have been rising, at least for the poor. Homicide rates are falling in American cities. Although Republicans predicted chaos at the southern border after Mr Biden ended covid-era restrictions in May, a new border regime imposed by Mr Biden appears to be keeping such crossings below levels recorded before then. Mr Biden has adeptly led the international response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and amassed a formidable record of bipartisan legislation.

    But the president seems stuck with impressions formed in his first two years in office. His approval rating has never recovered since it crashed during America’s chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan two years ago. That same summer of 2021 he dismissed inflation as “temporary”. For months into 2022, he pursued progressives’ fondest and costliest policy goals before settling for the still-ambitious Infrastructure Reduction Act. “It made him look like he was pursuing liberal goals and was ineffective at doing it,” says Whit Ayres, a longtime Republican pollster. “And it made moderates feel like they’d been sold a bill of goods.” Mr Biden’s position has continued to deteriorate with the working-class voters, of whatever race, whom he will need in such battleground states as Arizona, Nevada and Pennsylvania.

    The collapse of Hunter Biden’s plea agreement with prosecutors this summer means that publicity about his sordid traffic in the family name will continue to cloud Mr Biden’s own image of decency, and of his efforts to restore integrity to government. Student-loan repayments, suspended for more than three years because of the pandemic, are due to resume on October 1st. A national carworkers’ strike is looming.

    Democrats will rally to Mr Biden, and he has time to woo others. Yet every day that goes by his party’s biggest gamble, on his continued good health and acuity, also grows riskier. In 2020 voters embraced the idea that his age and experience made him a steady hand. Now they seem primed to see the slightest gaffe or stumble as confirmation that he is becoming unsteady. According to an ap poll at the end of August, 77% of Americans think Mr Biden is too old to serve effectively. His vice-president, Kamala Harris, has an even lower approval rating than he does.

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    DaveXA said:
    Be careful tho, there are too many non normal people out there.
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    I think there's a risk that people - more so than last time - vote based upon their pocketbook. If there's a strong perception out there at election time that the Biden economy just ain't cutting it.. my stuff's too expensive, I can't afford rent, etc.. I think the possibility exists that Trump can win.

    My feeling is that Biden would probably win a fairly close election when push comes to shove.. but anger over the economy paired with an uninspiring presidential reelection candidate makes it dangerous even though it's Trump and even though it's with all of this swirling.
     
    bdb13 said:
    I think there's a risk that people - more so than last time - vote based upon their pocketbook. If there's a strong perception out there at election time that the Biden economy just ain't cutting it.. my stuff's too expensive, I can't afford rent, etc.. I think the possibility exists that Trump can win.

    My feeling is that Biden would probably win a fairly close election when push comes to shove.. but anger over the economy paired with an uninspiring presidential reelection candidate makes it dangerous even though it's Trump and even though it's with all of this swirling.
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    I have some faith in normal people - especially as we see more of Trump and as he gets more and more crazy sounding, which he seems to be doing. Extreme MAGAs are a minority-they are only about 50% of the GOP now, I think, and the GOP is only about 28% of the voting population.

    I kind of wish someone like Kemp would run - he would pull the normies back into the GOP. I don’t want Trump to even run, even though I think that would hand Biden his second term. He’s just too nuts.
     
    bdb13 said:
    I think there's a risk that people - more so than last time - vote based upon their pocketbook. If there's a strong perception out there at election time that the Biden economy just ain't cutting it.. my stuff's too expensive, I can't afford rent, etc.. I think the possibility exists that Trump can win.

    My feeling is that Biden would probably win a fairly close election when push comes to shove.. but anger over the economy paired with an uninspiring presidential reelection candidate makes it dangerous even though it's Trump and even though it's with all of this swirling.
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    Well, this is partly why I'd rather go with a younger Democrat with some fresh ideas and policy. Personalities and charisma wins elections. Biden has some, but he's ultimately pretty lame in the excitement category, which can be deadly in a close election. He absolutely can very easily lose this election if he doesn't play his cards right.
     
    DaveXA said:
    Well, this is partly why I'd rather go with a younger Democrat with some fresh ideas and policy. Personalities and charisma wins elections. Biden has some, but he's ultimately pretty lame in the excitement category, which can be deadly in a close election. He absolutely can very easily lose this election if he doesn't play his cards right.
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    First off Dave, I am more replying to the notion of a younger/different candidate than to you in particular here:

    Who? Everyone keeps saying I wish someone else would run. Who?

    I don't think Hakeem Jeffries has been around enough and isnt quite the orator President Obama was (which isn't a criticism- President Obama is one of the best ever).

    who else?

    My choice would be Tammy Duckworth. But as Patton Oswald so eloquently put it after Hillary lost:

    "I learned tonight that America is more misogynistic than it is racist. And America is really forking racist."

    I would love to say a woman would win vs Trump. I really would.

    Once again, Joe Reliable isn't the guy we want. But he will beat Trump and that is all I care about until that fat piece of shirt is in jail or making out with Rush Limbaugh in hell. Which is my preferred option. He just drops dead. It would be so great.
     
    I think more voters are more worried about Biden being replaced by Kamala Harris, than they are about Biden not being able to finish his term. Our society doesn't seem to be willing to accept the possibility of a female president yet.

    I think the "country first" thing for Harris to do would be to come up with a reason she needs to take some time off from politics and sit out this election.

    It's too bad that Wes Moore was just elected in Maryland, because I think a Biden-Wes Moore ticket would be as close to a slam dunk win as the Democrats could get. I'd love to see Moore dismantle the inevitable racist ignorance that will come out of the mouth of whoever the Republican VP candidate will be.

    Hakeem Jeffries seems to have a good handle on the House of Represenatives. I'd prefer to see him follow Pelosi's career path, because effective leadership in the House of Representatives is just as important as effective leadership in the White House.
     
    bdb13 said:
    I think there's a risk that people - more so than last time - vote based upon their pocketbook. If there's a strong perception out there at election time that the Biden economy just ain't cutting it.. my stuff's too expensive, I can't afford rent, etc.. I think the possibility exists that Trump can win.

    My feeling is that Biden would probably win a fairly close election when push comes to shove.. but anger over the economy paired with an uninspiring presidential reelection candidate makes it dangerous even though it's Trump and even though it's with all of this swirling.
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    Normally I would agree, but these are not normal times. While I don't deal in absolutes and this is kind of the optimist in me, I just simply can't see how what has happened since 2020 would garner Trump more votes in 2024. If it does then we are truly doomed....(I really don't think we are)......
     

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