Right wing nuts thread (2 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but we need a thread for the wing nuts. Lauren Boebert.

 

[LA - L.A.]

By "true patriots" I meant real patriots, those that put country before party or anything else.....what you are defining as true patriots I would define as radical nationalists....

That's how I took it. My point is that, though they are putting country before party at the moment, both Cheney and Kinzinger have put the Republican party and their self-interest before the country in the past, so I don't 100% trust them not to do it again. I don't think there's been a member of congress in the 21st century that hasn't done that to some degree at some time, so I'm not villifying Cheney of Kinzinger.

Although, because she is her father's daughter, I metaphorically sleep with one eye open regarding her. It's probably not fair to her, but her father is a very dangerous and destructive man who's extremely competent and effective at being dangerous and destructive.

Hard disagree, the both sides utter BS.....only one side was going to go the fully authoritarian, dictator, Christian nationalist route.....as your respondent said, the clues have been there for years.....

 

[LA - L.A.]

It's a case of radicals taking over a party. It's not like that couldn't happen on the left either. It's not happening now, but understand that it certainly could.

It absolutely could happen and I've said that, but it has not happened. We can only deal with what's actually happened, we can not do anything about something hypothetically possible that hasn't actually happened.

What has happened is the Republican party has allowed their party to be taken over by radicals, solely because they chose to appease and appeal to racist, fascist radicals for political power.

Trump and MAGA did not happen to the Republican party. The Republican party made Trump and MAGA happen.

 

[DaveXA]

It absolutely could happen and I've said that, but it has not happened. We can only deal with what's actually happened, we can not do anything about something hypothetically possible that hasn't actually happened.

What has happened is the Republican party has allowed their party to be taken over by radicals, solely because they chose to appease and appeal to racist, fascist radicals for political power.

Trump and MAGA did not happen to the Republican party. The Republican party made Trump and MAGA happen.

I'm not so sure that's true. What did happen was when Trump unexpectedly won the party's nomination in 2016, the RNC didn't have a clue as to what to do with him. Eventually he and his sycophants wrested control of the party from the more centrist Republicans who didn't care for Trump's politics. Trump basically took the Baton from them. It certainly wasn't given willingly. So I don't think they made it happen. But they didn't fight hard enough to prevent t it either though. So yes, some criticism is warranted. Whether fighting harder would have made a difference, I don't know.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I'm not so sure that's true. What did happen was when Trump unexpectedly won the party's nomination in 2016, the RNC didn't have a clue as to what to do with him. Eventually he and his sycophants wrested control of the party from the more centrist Republicans who didn't care for Trump's politics. Trump basically took the Baton from them. It certainly wasn't given willingly. So I don't think they made it happen. But they didn't fight hard enough to prevent t it either though. So yes, some criticism is warranted. Whether fighting harder would have made a difference, I don't know.

When you use a dog whistle to provoke a vicious response from a dog to attack people, you know the dog could very well attack you too and you can't act surprised when it does.

The Republican party created Donald Trump and MAGA. The Republican voters willingly gave Trump the party and continue to willingly give him the party, because the Republicans are MAGA. Every Republican leader that ever opposed Trump, except for two, has either slinked silently way or completely endorse and enable him.

The Republican party is not a victim of Trump and MAGA. It just isn't. Nobody has a gun to any Republicans head making them vote for Trump and other MAGA candidates. That is all done willingly.

No one is putting a gun to the heads of Republican leaders and forcing them to kiss Trump and MAGA's arse. They are all doing that willingly.


I understand the how dificBecause I was raised Catholic I have a hard time accepting the fact that one of the single biggest threats to American democracy comes from the American Catholic Church. 5 of the 6 Christian conservatives on the Supreme Court are not just Christian, they are Catholic and the 6th one was was raised Catholic.

The person that drove the stacking of the Supreme Court is Catholic and he stacked the Supreme Court with Catholics, to make this a specifically Catholic nation, not a generic Christian nation. Protestants are in for a rude awakening if Leonard Leo and the Federalists Society pull off their grand plan. If they do, there will be a violent conflict between the different Christian sects, similar to the Troubles between Ireland and the UK.

Donald Trump and MAGA are not every Republican's fault, but it is soley the fault of the Republican party as a whole.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You can probably throw a dart at a list of possible culprits of who/what created or allowed Trump and MAGA to happen and there’d be some merit to the argument

From southern strategy to Facebook/twitter and everything in between

I think they all played a part

 

[DaveXA]

You can probably throw a dart at a list of possible culprits of who/what created or allowed Trump and MAGA to happen and there’d be some merit to the argument

From southern strategy to Facebook/twitter and everything in between

I think they all played a part

Agreed. It's certainly a perfect storm of events. You could point at the aftermath of 9-11, the economy, the tug of war between political parties, and on and on.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[LA - L.A.]

You can probably throw a dart at a list of possible culprits of who/what created or allowed Trump and MAGA to happen and there’d be some merit to the argument

From southern strategy to Facebook/twitter and everything in between

I think they all played a part

A lot of factors contributed to making Trump and MAGA, but the Republicans got the ball rolling and kept the ball rolling.

If at any point over the past 60ish years the Republicans would have shunned the racist fascists in this country, Trump and MAGA does not happen. Republicans continued to embrace and appease the racist fascists in this country, because they agreed with them and wanted the same things. The racist fascists didn't force themselves on the Republicans. The Republicans invited them in and then intentionally empowered them for political gain.

Not even half the Republican Party leadership and card carrying members to this day have shunned the racist fascists, Trump or MAGA. Instead, well over half of the Republicans give their full-throated support to them and they are desperately trying to put him in the White House again. They know full well what another Trump presidency means and that's exactly what they want.

The continual false equivalencies and excuses for what the Republican Party has done to this country are absurd. The only difference between the Republican Party and the Nazi party is that the Republicans haven's seized complete control of the country yet. They aren't joking or chest thumping when they say they want to murder anyone that opposes them in any way. That is exactly what they will do.

IF the Jan 6th insurrectionists had gotten their hands on any Democratic Congressperson or Pence, they would have tried like hell to kill them. That's what an organized group of them were there to do and the mob would have gleefully joined in the killing frenzy. They weren't just there to stop the certification of the election; they wanted to murder the opposition.

At some point we have to accept the reality of that. Republican voters put Trump in office and continue to staunchly support him and his fascist goals. Republican leadership continues to support and enable Trump and his fascist goals. They are doing that, because it's what the majority of Republicans actually want.

Trump and MAGA are what the Republican Party wants. Trump and MAGA are not forcing themselves on the Republican Party. The Republican Party would have gotten rid of Trump and MAGA if that's what they wanted.

 

[DaveXA]

A lot of factors contributed to making Trump and MAGA, but the Republicans got the ball rolling and kept the ball rolling.

If at any point over the past 60ish years the Republicans would have shunned the racist fascists in this country, Trump and MAGA does not happen. Republicans continued to embrace and appease the racist fascists in this country, because they agreed with them and wanted the same things. The racist fascists didn't force themselves on the Republicans. The Republicans invited them in and then intentionally empowered them for political gain.

Not even half the Republican Party leadership and card carrying members to this day have shunned the racist fascists, Trump or MAGA. Instead, well over half of the Republicans give their full-throated support to them and they are desperately trying to put him in the White House again. They know full well what another Trump presidency means and that's exactly what they want.

The continual false equivalencies and excuses for what the Republican Party has done to this country are absurd. The only difference between the Republican Party and the Nazi party is that the Republicans haven's seized complete control of the country yet. They aren't joking or chest thumping when they say they want to murder anyone that opposes them in any way. That is exactly what they will do.

IF the Jan 6th insurrectionists had gotten their hands on any Democratic Congressperson or Pence, they would have tried like hell to kill them. That's what an organized group of them were there to do and the mob would have gleefully joined in the killing frenzy. They weren't just there to stop the certification of the election; they wanted to murder the opposition.

At some point we have to accept the reality of that. Republican voters put Trump in office and continue to staunchly support him and his fascist goals. Republican leadership continues to support and enable Trump and his fascist goals. They are doing that, because it's what the majority of Republicans actually want.

Trump and MAGA are what the Republican Party wants. Trump and MAGA are not forcing themselves on the Republican Party. The Republican Party would have gotten rid of Trump and MAGA if that's what they wanted.

I will just leave my last bit on this. There are a lot of, granted, certainly not enough, Republicans who despise Trump and MAGA. Unfortunately it's not a majority of them, and more than a few have ended up leaving the party, so that impacts the balance as well. Until moderates wrest back control of the Party, this is what we'll get until change happens.

 

[SFIDC3]

It's a case of radicals taking over a party. It's not like that couldn't happen on the left either. It's not happening now, but understand that it certainly could.

I mean, I'm not even sure how to respond to above.....it's happened to the R party, what may have happened or what could have possibly happened to radicalize the D party, didn't happen and there is no evidence that it will....that is some major weak sauce Dave....

And you are dead wrong, there were plenty of folks that saw this coming as far back as the advent of the Tea Party.....the majority of the R party loves Trump because he pulled the curtain back, they feel with him leading them they are free to show the real people they are....White nationalist (mostly) christian fascists, racists, and cult members.....

Wake me up when you find the equivalent on the D side of things.....

 

[DaveXA]

I mean, I'm not even sure how to respond to above.....it's happened to the R party, what may have happened or what could have possibly happened to radicalize the D party, didn't happen and there is no evidence that it will....that is some major weak sauce Dave....

And you are dead wrong, there were plenty of folks that saw this coming as far back as the advent of the Tea Party.....the majority of the R party loves Trump because he pulled the curtain back, they feel with him leading them they are free to show the real people they are....White nationalist (mostly) christian fascists, racists, and cult members.....

Wake me up when you find the equivalent on the D side of things.....

You do realize the Tea Party wasn't near a majority of Republicans, which is why it didn't last long.

And there certainly maybe have been some who foresaw Trump and MAGA, but not really. In fact, Trump had tried running before and did diddly poo. 2016 was like his 2nd or 3rd attempt to run for President. Times changed, and the Party changed. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[CoolBrees]

I love ya @DaveXA but you are wrong here.

First, MAGA isn't the majority either. They just dog walk the rest of the party because the know they lose power without them.

The person didn't have a name but Trump's ascension path was cemented as the Right's backlash to Barack Obama and the tea party. Not liberal hate. Racist hate.

But the path began with Rush Limbaugh, the PTL, and continued through Newt Gingrich.

This cancer has been part of their party since Reagan. They hey simply never let the crazy out of the cage. Now they can't put it back.

 

[SFIDC3]

You do realize the Tea Party wasn't near a majority of Republicans, which is why it didn't last long.

And there certainly maybe have been some who foresaw Trump and MAGA, but not really. In fact, Trump had tried running before and did diddly poo. 2016 was like his 2nd or 3rd attempt to run for President. Times changed, and the Party changed. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

You are right about the times changed part, which is about the only part you are right about.....I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the Tea partiers are now MAGA, regardless of what they called themselves back then.....

There are many who foresaw the R party's (hopefully) downfall or spiral into what it is now.....I mean you can try and defend your version of the R party but to say folks didn't foresee something like Trump and MAGA is just flat out wrong....

 

[DaveXA]

You are right about the times changed part, which is about the only part you are right about.....I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the Tea partiers are now MAGA, regardless of what they called themselves back then.....

There are many who foresaw the R party's (hopefully) downfall or spiral into what it is now.....I mean you can try and defend your version of the R party but to say folks didn't foresee something like Trump and MAGA is just flat out wrong....

We won't agree here, but that's OK. I'll let what I said be the last from me on this.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I love ya @DaveXA
This cancer has been part of their party since Reagan. They hey simply never let the crazy out of the cage. Now they can't put it back.

Actually, the cancer has been in the party long before Reagan. From my perspective, the cancer has always been there and it went into remission during the Civil Rights fight but those cancer cells continue to spread. Ever since the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Republican Party has been on a single mission to turn back any progress we have made since then and thwart any forward movement.

 

[DaveXA]

Well, this RWNJ is going to prison. Judge has ordered Bannon to report to prison on July 1.

Supposed to be 4 months for contempt of Congress.

 

[CoolBrees]

Actually, the cancer has been in the party long before Reagan. From my perspective, the cancer has always been there and it went into remission during the Civil Rights fight but those cancer cells continue to spread. Ever since the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Republican Party has been on a single mission to turn back any progress we have made since then and thwart any forward movement.

Oh I didn't mean to imply the racist faction wasn't there. That has been there since the Dixiecrats switched sides.

I meant the weaponizing of fear and hate through media. Essentially using Goebbels' methods.

Rush made jokes and sang songs while naming the names for people dying of aids. He was dehumanizing them.

God I'm so glad that bloated pedophile is rotting. I spit in Limbaugh's grave.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Rush made jokes and sang songs while naming the names for people dying of aids. He was dehumanizing them.

God I'm so glad that bloated pedophile is rotting. I spit in Limbaugh's grave.

And the Republican Party honored him with The Presidential Medal of Freedom without even batting an eye.