Right wing nuts thread (24 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but we need a thread for the wing nuts. Lauren Boebert.

 

[coldseat]

You lead with that. It didn’t even deserve mention. It’s just an oft used vacant retort that is over used and worn out and means nothing anymore. To some, every disagreement is somehow racist.

Up your game.

Oh yeah, the "it can't possibly be race" reasoning. No way we can even mention that because racism is dead in America. No way any of the right wing reaction to him is because he's a black man.

You might not like it, but I will keep bringing it up when applicable.

Pro tip, if you truly don't actually believe it doesn't have anything to do with race, then just ignore it and move on to the acutal reason you believe. I've been accused of reverse racism many times on here and on other social media sites when I bring up race. I ignore it or laugh and make a joke about it and move on because it's not worth my time addressing something that's baseless. The fact that you pay so much attention to it and are so sensitive to it tells me that you know that a lot of the reaction to him (maybe not your own, but a lot of it) is actually because of race.

 

[TampaJoe]

Oh yeah, the "it can't possibly be race" reasoning. No way we can even mention that because racism is dead in America. No way any of the right wing reaction to him is because he's a black man.

You might not like it, but I will keep bringing it up when applicable.

Pro tip, if you truly don't actually believe it doesn't have anything to do with race, then just ignore it and move on to the acutal reason you believe. I've been accused of reverse racism many times on here and on other social media sites when I bring up race. I ignore it or laugh and make a joke about it and move on because it's not worth my time addressing something that's baseless. The fact that you pay so much attention to it and are so sensitive to it tells me that you know that a lot of the reaction to him (maybe not your own, but a lot of it) is actually because of race.

Reverse racism implies I know your race. I do not. I don’t care. It has nothing to do with my opinion in this matter. I wasn’t speaking for other people. So it appeared your comment was directed at me since you replied to me.

 

[RobF]

This is what was posted above:

The bust-up began following comments made by the movie’s star, Anthony Mackie, during a recent promotion for the film, in which he described the eponymous protagonist as a man with “honor, dignity and integrity,” and that such qualities did not currently represent America.

Bolding is mine.

You are just so bad at this. You're just repeating yourself again, while quoting and replying to a post that literally addresses what was said.

And you're not even quoting what Mackie actually said, even though it's literally in the next paragraph of the article, and instead you're then saying "If that is what he said." What he actually said is right there!

"For me Captain America represents a lot of different things, and I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations,” Mackie said. “It’s about a man who keeps his word, who has honor, dignity and integrity. Someone who is trustworthy and dependable."

You'll note he doesn't actually say America doesn't have those qualities, he says that Captain America represents those qualities, rather than simply 'America'. You're inferring that's what he means. And that said:

If that is what he said, then reasonable people could read that as an insult to American men.

So others may consider that shrewd marketing. I disagree.

Even with that inference, what are you on about now? Where did Mackie say anything about "American men" not having those qualities? Do you think Captain America only represents men? Or do you think America is only represented by men?

Neither is good.

 

[coldseat]

Reverse racism implies I know your race. I do not. I don’t care. It has nothing to do with my opinion in this matter. I wasn’t speaking for other people. So it appeared your comment was directed at me since you replied to me.

I posed it as a question to you because I don't know you, but some of your reaction to other anti-(file in the gap) outrage crap seems suspect. But in any case, it's certainly one reason for the reaction to Mackie's comments in general in my view, so it's a valid question regardless. You chose to get offended by the question.

 

[TampaJoe]

You are just so bad at this. You're just repeating yourself again, while quoting and replying to a post that literally addresses what was said.

And you're not even quoting what Mackie actually said, even though it's literally in the next paragraph of the article, and instead you're then saying "If that is what he said." What he actually said is right there!

"For me Captain America represents a lot of different things, and I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations,” Mackie said. “It’s about a man who keeps his word, who has honor, dignity and integrity. Someone who is trustworthy and dependable."

You'll note he doesn't actually say America doesn't have those qualities, he says that Captain America represents those qualities, rather than simply 'America'. You're inferring that's what he means. And that said:



Even with that inference, what are you on about now? Where did Mackie say anything about "American men" not having those qualities? Do you think Captain America only represents men? Or do you think America is only represented by men?

Neither is good.

I assumed what Optimus posted was accurate. Should I have assumed it was inaccurate?

Captain America in this context is male. I don’t know what his pronouns are. But the article posted referenced what this “man” represented. Any more parsing of words that you wish to do?

 

[TampaJoe]

I posed it as a question to you because I don't know you, but some of your reaction to other anti-(file in the gap) outrage crap seems suspect. But in any case, it's certainly one reason for the reaction to Mackie's comments in general in my view, so it's a valid question regardless. You chose to get offended by the question.

I’m not offended. I simply dismiss it.

 

[RobF]

I assumed what Optimus posted was accurate. Should I have assumed it was inaccurate?

Captain America in this context is male. I don’t know what his pronouns are. But the article posted referenced what this “man” represented. Any more parsing of words that you wish to do?

@Optimus Prime also quoted the paragraph with Mackies's actual words, so no, you shouldn't have assumed anything, you should have actually read it.

And you're seriously going with "men can only represent men"? Bold choice.

 

[DaveXA]

I’m not offended. I simply dismiss it.

Dismissing is the typical response of offended people, .

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

This is what was posted above:

The bust-up began following comments made by the movie’s star, Anthony Mackie, during a recent promotion for the film, in which he described the eponymous protagonist as a man with “honor, dignity and integrity,” and that such qualities did not currently represent America.

Bolding is mine.

If that is what he said, then reasonable people could read that as an insult to American men.

So others may consider that shrewd marketing. I disagree.

Where was your outrage when Chris Evans said this:

“Ha, well, to me, I'm not trying to get too lost in the American side of it. This isn't a flag waving movie. It is red, white and blue, but it just so happens that the character was created in America during war time, when there was a common enemy, even though it is Captain America. I've said before in interviews, it feels more like he should just be called Captain Good. [Laughs] You know, he was created at a time when there was this undeniable evil and this guy was kind of created to fight that evil. I think that everyone could agree that Nazis were bad and he, Cap, just so happens to wear the red, white and blue.”

or when the actual comic-book Steve Rogers said this:

“Listen to me, all of you out there! You were told by this man, your hero, that America is the greatest country in the world! He told you that Americans were the greatest people, that America could be refined like silver, could have the impurities hammered out of it and shine more brightly. He went on about how precious American was, how you needed to make sure it remained great. And he told you anything was justified to preserve that pearl of the great price that is America!”

“Well I say American is nothing! Without its ideals, its commitment to the freedom of all men, America is a piece of trash! A nation is nothing! A flag is a piece of cloth! I fought Adolph Hitler not because America was great, because it was fragile! I k new that liberty could be easily snuffed out here as in Nazi Germany! As a people we were no different than them! When I returned, I saw that you nearly did turn America into nothing!”

Why is what Mackie said is so offensive to you? What makes him so different from Evans and Rogers? Hell, this quote from Mackie is even ignored and it came during the same event:

“I'm a proud American and taking on the shield of a hero like Cap is the honor of a lifetime. I have the utmost respect for those who serve and have served our country. Cap has universal characteristics that people all over the world can relate to.”

Why have those that chose to be angry about his 1st thoughts choose to ignore the next? Is it because they don't see him as a "real" American?

 

[DaveXA]

Where was your outrage when Chris Evans said this:

or when the actual comic-book Steve Rogers said this:


Why is what Mackie said is so offensive to you? What makes him so different from Evans and Rogers? Hell, this quote from Mackie is even ignored and it came during the same event:

Why have those that chose to be angry about his 1st thoughts choose to ignore the next? Is it because they don't see him as a "real" American?

Yeah, the messaging is clearly the same, the only difference is the messenger. So...what conclusions should we draw that make sense? Yeah...

 

[coldseat]

Where was your outrage when Chris Evans said this:

“Ha, well, to me, I'm not trying to get too lost in the American side of it. This isn't a flag waving movie. It is red, white and blue, but it just so happens that the character was created in America during war time, when there was a common enemy, even though it is Captain America. I've said before in interviews, it feels more like he should just be called Captain Good. [Laughs] You know, he was created at a time when there was this undeniable evil and this guy was kind of created to fight that evil. I think that everyone could agree that Nazis were bad and he, Cap, just so happens to wear the red, white and blue.”

Oh Chris .... unfortunately we live in an America were everybody doesn't agrees with that. But I want to hope we get there one day.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Oh Chris .... unfortunately we live in an America were everybody doesn't agrees with that. But I want to hope we get there one day.

I think he was referring to when Cap was created

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[TampaJoe]

@Optimus Prime also quoted the paragraph with Mackies's actual words, so no, you shouldn't have assumed anything, you should have actually read it.

And you're seriously going with "men can only represent men"? Bold choice.

I did read it. I didn’t go look at the entire interview. I don’t know what else was said that wasn’t quoted. As I said, I assumed what was posted accurately reflected this man’s point of view.

You don’t have to agree Rob. Matters not to me.

 

[coldseat]

All of this. Unfortunately, I think the billionaires in Texas will win.

 

[coldseat]

I did read it. I didn’t go look at the entire interview. I don’t know what else was said that wasn’t quoted. As I said, I assumed what was posted accurately reflected this man’s point of view.

You don’t have to agree Rob. Matters not to me.

This is where you didn't apply any critical reading or critical thinking.

Optimus posted the article. The article included Mackie's direct quote but was written by a different person. The person writing the article made that inference, but that doesn't exactly represent Mackie's quote. Even if the inference itself isn't necessarily opposed to what Mackie was quoted as saying, it was not what Mackie said. That was the authors framing, not Mackie's. You can disagree with the authors framing, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse to go after Mackie.

And honestly, the fact that so many right wingers are now going after Mackie kind of proves the authors point.

 

[TampaJoe]

Dismissing is the typical response of offended people, .

So you say.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I assumed what Optimus posted was accurate. Should I have assumed it was inaccurate?

Captain America in this context is male. I don’t know what his pronouns are. But the article posted referenced what this “man” represented. Any more parsing of words that you wish to do?

Optimus posted the exact quote that provided the context you kept ignoring. Stop being so disingenuous.