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    Thought I would start a dedicated topic about her.
    If anyone comes across info pertaining to him, feel free to post it here
     
    Not slaves of their own, but the institution itself. I always thought it was common knowledge that slaves were otherized and those farmers that couldn't afford slaves of their own were sold on it as "at least you are better than them, ending slavery makes them equal to you."
    Or...when you're rich enough, you can own slaves too!
     
    Yeah that and the southern rubes were told god said it was supposed to be that way. And you are fighting on god's side.

    But let's let religion off the hook again.
    Well, to some degree. There were ministers who actually were part of the movement to free slaves. So...some religion, yes, but not close to all.
     
    Well, to some degree. There were ministers who actually were part of the movement to free slaves. So...some religion, yes, but not close to all.
    Honest question: were there Southern churches opposed to slavery? I know there were some - like Quakers - who opposed it early, but they pretty much moved away from slave holding areas didn’t they? I found researching my husband‘s family tree that had a lot of Quakers - these Quakers were in NC and some even owned slaves at first but by late 1600’s they were against slavery as a church and a lot of them moved away. I don’t know about any other churches though.
     
    Honest question: were there Southern churches opposed to slavery? I know there were some - like Quakers - who opposed it early, but they pretty much moved away from slave holding areas didn’t they? I found researching my husband‘s family tree that had a lot of Quakers - these Quakers were in NC and some even owned slaves at first but by late 1600’s they were against slavery as a church and a lot of them moved away. I don’t know about any other churches though.
    There definitely were some in the South, but a lot of it was in secret because of violent opposition to abolition.

     
    As President Donald Trump listened inside the Oval Office, Nikki Haley pitched a dramatic gambit to jump-start Middle East peace talks: Cutting off U.S. funding to a U.N. program providing critical aid to Palestinian refugees.

    It was a startling idea, especially coming from the ambassador to the United Nations, who months earlier had toured a West Bank refugee camp. Trump’s chief of staff, John F. Kelly — the only other person in the Oval Office at that moment, according to Haley — rushed out to find Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who had made clear he would oppose cutting the funds.

    That left Haley with a much-sought opportunity: direct access to Trump. In the moments that followed, she successfully pushed the president toward a decision that could deplete resources for food, education and other services for millions of refugees, including the girls and young women she had recently met, and alienate the Palestinian leaders whom she once hoped to win over.

    The tense meeting in early 2018, as described in Haley’s memoir and confirmed by former administration officials, highlights the extraordinary conflicts of Haley’s nearly two years spent working under Trump and more recently, her campaign against him for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

    An examination of her time as U.N. ambassador shows that, even as she clashed with Trump on some key foreign policy views, she resisted publicly criticizing him, instead pushing for meetings and phone conversations — access that alienated her from some other White House officials. She announced abruptly in October 2018 that she would leave the job, but unlike many others in Trump’s administration, she waited years before forcefully speaking out against his presidential record.

    Haley initially played down her disagreements with Trump in her memoir, and only recently has gone from praising him as tough on China to saying he showed “moral weakness” on the issue. Trump, who once effusively praised Haley, now mocks her as a “globalist.”..........

     
    Doubling down with this total word salad of a non answer

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    CNN’s Jake Tapper on Thursday challenged Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley over her widely-panned claim to Fox News’ Brian Kilmeade earlier this week that America is not and has “never been” a racist country.

    During a televised town hall event at New England College in New Hampshire, Tapper reminded Haley that “protections for the institution of slavery were written into the U.S. Constitution, the White House was built with slave labor” and that Haley’s “home state of South Carolina seceded from the Union, fought a war to defend the enslavement of Black people.”

    “I understand you don’t think America is a racist country now,” acknowledged Tapper. “But we’re here at a college. Do you really think, as a historical matter, America has never been a racist country?”

    Haley replied, “It was that men are created equal with unalienable rights, right? That was what we all knew. But what I look at it as is I was a brown girl that grew up in a small, rural town. We had plenty of racism that we had to deal with, but my parents never said we lived in a racist country, and I’m so thankful they didn’t, because for every brown and Black child out there, if you tell them they live or are born in a racist country, you’re immediately telling them they don’t have a chance.”

    The former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said she believed in the importance of telling children that “America is not perfect” and “we have our stains” but that “our goal should always be to make today better than yesterday..”

    “National self-loathing” is “killing our country,” Haley claimed, later saying she wanted children of color to see her political ascent and say, ‘No, I don’t live in a country that was formed on racism. I live in a country where they wanted all people to be equal and to make sure they had life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’”

    Tapper followed up, “OK, but just to push back a bit, because I was a history major in New Hampshire” before saying she was talking about the ideals of America but that the country was still “founded institutionally on many racist precepts, including slavery.”

    Haley argued “the intent” of America’s founding was “to do the right thing” and said she refused “to believe that the premise of when they formed our country was based on the fact that it was a racist country to start with.”..........

     
    Doubling down with this total word salad of a non answer

    bolding mine
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    CNN’s Jake Tapper on Thursday challenged Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley over her widely-panned claim to Fox News’ Brian Kilmeade earlier this week that America is not and has “never been” a racist country.

    During a televised town hall event at New England College in New Hampshire, Tapper reminded Haley that “protections for the institution of slavery were written into the U.S. Constitution, the White House was built with slave labor” and that Haley’s “home state of South Carolina seceded from the Union, fought a war to defend the enslavement of Black people.”

    “I understand you don’t think America is a racist country now,” acknowledged Tapper. “But we’re here at a college. Do you really think, as a historical matter, America has never been a racist country?”

    Haley replied, “It was that men are created equal with unalienable rights, right? That was what we all knew. But what I look at it as is I was a brown girl that grew up in a small, rural town. We had plenty of racism that we had to deal with, but my parents never said we lived in a racist country, and I’m so thankful they didn’t, because for every brown and Black child out there, if you tell them they live or are born in a racist country, you’re immediately telling them they don’t have a chance.”


    The former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said she believed in the importance of telling children that “America is not perfect” and “we have our stains” but that “our goal should always be to make today better than yesterday..”

    “National self-loathing” is “killing our country,” Haley claimed, later saying she wanted children of color to see her political ascent and say, ‘No, I don’t live in a country that was formed on racism. I live in a country where they wanted all people to be equal and to make sure they had life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’”

    Tapper followed up, “OK, but just to push back a bit, because I was a history major in New Hampshire” before saying she was talking about the ideals of America but that the country was still “founded institutionally on many racist precepts, including slavery.”

    Haley argued “the intent” of America’s founding was “to do the right thing” and said she refused “to believe that the premise of when they formed our country was based on the fact that it was a racist country to start with.”..........

    She can parse words all she wants, but a society that is formed as a slave-holding society, where slaves are a different race from slave-holders, is a racist society.
     
    Doubling down with this total word salad of a non answer

    bolding mine
    ======================================
    CNN’s Jake Tapper on Thursday challenged Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley over her widely-panned claim to Fox News’ Brian Kilmeade earlier this week that America is not and has “never been” a racist country.

    During a televised town hall event at New England College in New Hampshire, Tapper reminded Haley that “protections for the institution of slavery were written into the U.S. Constitution, the White House was built with slave labor” and that Haley’s “home state of South Carolina seceded from the Union, fought a war to defend the enslavement of Black people.”

    “I understand you don’t think America is a racist country now,” acknowledged Tapper. “But we’re here at a college. Do you really think, as a historical matter, America has never been a racist country?”

    Haley replied, “It was that men are created equal with unalienable rights, right? That was what we all knew. But what I look at it as is I was a brown girl that grew up in a small, rural town. We had plenty of racism that we had to deal with, but my parents never said we lived in a racist country, and I’m so thankful they didn’t, because for every brown and Black child out there, if you tell them they live or are born in a racist country, you’re immediately telling them they don’t have a chance.”


    The former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said she believed in the importance of telling children that “America is not perfect” and “we have our stains” but that “our goal should always be to make today better than yesterday..”

    “National self-loathing” is “killing our country,” Haley claimed, later saying she wanted children of color to see her political ascent and say, ‘No, I don’t live in a country that was formed on racism. I live in a country where they wanted all people to be equal and to make sure they had life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’”

    Tapper followed up, “OK, but just to push back a bit, because I was a history major in New Hampshire” before saying she was talking about the ideals of America but that the country was still “founded institutionally on many racist precepts, including slavery.”

    Haley argued “the intent” of America’s founding was “to do the right thing” and said she refused “to believe that the premise of when they formed our country was based on the fact that it was a racist country to start with.”..........


    The things you have to believe and say out loud to be a minority in the Republican party is just stupid and sad. Most people that hear this and aren't right wingers or Republicans just roll their eyes at the stupidity of her trying to explain herself while rewriting America's history. :rolleyes:
     
    Haley says we've never been a racist country.

    A couple of days later, Trump calls her by her given name, in a clear act of racism.
     
    So a former one-night stand of Haley’s has come forward after he heard her state she had always been faithful to her husband. 🫣

    This smacks of a dirty trick by Trump supporters, tbh.

    Watch the GOP hold this against her while they look the other way on a man who cheated on all 3 of his wives. Because women cannot afford any scandals at all.

    I don’t think this should move the needle at all, especially in a party that embraces Trump.

     
    She just can't help herself hah


    Oh. My. God. Who does she think her voters are? This is political malpractice. And I thought DeSantis was bad at this stuff.

    Been thinking about this a little more: she clearly isn’t really a moderate, but her voters are what passes for moderate in today’s GOP. Then again, “moderate” appears to be a dirty word to the current extremists in the GOP, so maybe this wouldn’t hurt her? 🤷‍♀️
     
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    Haley has given up.

    Regardless of the stated reason is, the real reason she's not debating DeSantis, is because she's afraid she will be forced to say something negative about Trump.

    She knows it is over.

    Shortest primary season in the history of the country.

    She's 20 points behind Trump in New Hampshire except for one outlier poll that should be thrown out.

    She's 40 points behind California, so the liberal states aren't going to save her.

    She will drop out after suffering a humiliation in South Carolina.

    Submissive Ron will take a few more humiliations before he drops out, because he likes it.
     
    There never was a Republican primary race. Unless Drumpf keels over from a heart attack/stroke or gets hit by a bus he will be the nominee. The focus must be on getting out the vote and destroying him followed by destroying the Republican Party.
     

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