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    Thought I would start a dedicated topic about her.
    If anyone comes across info pertaining to him, feel free to post it here
     
    When she was inaugurated as South Carolina’s first woman and first non-white governor in 2011, Nikki Haley said “it would be wrong to mention our greatness during the revolutionary period without noting the ugliness of much that followed. The horrors of slavery and discrimination … remain part of our history and a part of the fabric of our lives.”

    It would be wrong.

    That didn’t stop Haley, now a presidential candidate, from flagrantly pandering to racists by lying about the cause of the Civil War during a town hall in New Hampshire.

    When she told her questioner that answering him wasn’t “easy,” it wasn’t because she didn’t know that slavery was the cause of the Civil War. It was because she knew that giving the correct answer would alienate voters who have embraced a false version of history.

    In the Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union, issued Dec. 24, 1860, the government of South Carolina explained its reasons for seceding from the United States. Those reasons bear no resemblance to Haley’s cowardly blather about “the freedoms” and “the role of government.”

    Unlike Haley, South Carolina’s lawmakers were honest about their reasons for seceding. “An increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery has led to a disregard of their obligations” to return people who escaped from enslavement back to their enslavers.

    All eleven states who seceded – and the pro-secession minority of legislators in Missouri and Kentucky — cited slavery as their reason.

    Haley does not claim to be ignorant of this history. The day after her craven response in New Hampshire sparked national outrage, she declared, “Of course the Civil War was about slavery,” but quickly returned to her vague talking points about “the role of government” and “individual liberties.”

    Haley’s pandering on the issue of slavery in New Hampshire appears to contrast with her comments in 2015, after a white supremacist who draped himself in symbols of the Confederacy murdered nine Black worshippers at Mother Emanuel Church in Charleston. Announcing the removal of the Confederate flag from the State House grounds, she called it — for some —”a deeply offensive symbol of a brutally offensive past.”

    But she has long been willing to overlook “the horrors of slavery” in discussing the cause of the Civil War. In a 2010 interview with an activist group called Palmetto Patriots, she said the war was a conflict between “tradition” and “change,” never mentioning that the tradition was slavery................

     

    Soooo…money has to go wherever based on what? Your whims? Russia funneled money to Republicans via the NRA. If some donors think that Haley would be an easier candidate for Biden to run against then, well, they can do what they want with their money. I don’t agree with it because of the issue of money in politics but, hey, conservative idiots on the SCOTUS have said money is speech. So, can we assume you are against free speech? This is quite possibly one of the more ridiculously minute things you have whined about.
     
    By many accounts, Nikki Haley would be the favorite in a head to head race vs. Biden, even more so than Trump or DeSantis. Yet we can see by these accounts that she is just as dangerous as any of them in terms of the rehearsed stories she spins and the narrative she crafts for herself and even history.
    I know Haley is a snake in the grass, but I don’t think she would stoke a revolt against the nation. I wouldn’t want her as president, but she is way better than Trump and better than DeSantis. She doesn’t state her positions clearly. Like the abortion question, she avoided answering the question by saying what she thinks could be passed. Rather than stating her position, and then saying she may have to compromise, she just says she would have to compromise, without stating that she wants to outlaw abortions. I think that will catch up to her when she is pressed more.
     
    I know Haley is a snake in the grass, but I don’t think she would stoke a revolt against the nation. I wouldn’t want her as president, but she is way better than Trump and better than DeSantis. She doesn’t state her positions clearly. Like the abortion question, she avoided answering the question by saying what she thinks could be passed. Rather than stating her position, and then saying she may have to compromise, she just says she would have to compromise, without stating that she wants to outlaw abortions. I think that will catch up to her when she is pressed more.
    Yeah, I agree. She's far from an ideal candidate, but I agre. She accepts the results of elections and we won't see anything remotely like 1/6 from her. I think she at least respects the process. It's a low bar, but it's also not an insignificant thing.
     
    Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley claimed Tuesday that the United States has never been a “racist” country, rejecting a suggestion that she might have trouble becoming the GOP presidential nominee as a woman of color.

    In an interview on “Fox & Friends,” co-host Brian Kilmeade asked Haley whether she thinks the GOP is a “racist party.”

    “No. We’re not a racist country, Brian. We’ve never been a racist country,” Haley said in response.

    “Our goal is to make sure that today is better than yesterday,” she continued. “Are we perfect? No. But our goal is to always make sure we try and be more perfect every day that we can.”

    Drawing on her experience as “a brown girl that grew up in a small rural town in South Carolina,” Haley said she has experienced racism in the past but doesn’t want to raise her children to think they’re disadvantaged — a point she’s made before.

    “I know, I faced racism when I was growing up. But I can tell you, today is a lot better than it was then,” Haley said. “Our goal is to lift up everybody. Not go and divide people on race or gender or party or anything else. We’ve had enough of that in America.”

    She added: “I don’t want my kids growing up where they’re sitting there thinking that they’re disadvantaged because of a color or a gender. I want them to know that if they work hard, they can do and be anything they want to be in America.”...........

     
    Why did the vast majority fight, in your opinion?
    A long list, while at the top would be the romance of war in young males, like every single war from caveman days. Do you think the vast majority of the young men that enlisted and fought did so in order to keep slaves (which they did not own)?
    Do you think the majority of union men enlisted and fought to stop slavery in the south?
     
    May I suggest “Break It Up” by Richard Kreitner? There were state’s rights arguments on both sides but the underlying foundation was slavery. The basic issue beyond that was constant capitulation to the Southern slaveholders and their politicians regarding maintaining the union.

    The South didn’t give a damn about anything beyond keeping their slaves.
    When you say 'South' are you talking the politicians and wealthy or the common southerner that did not own slaves?
    You think the average southern farmer that did not own slaves enlisted to fight so that rich could keep their slave labor?

    You are correct, the underlying issue was slavery and that was wrapped up in the same fight we are having to a degree today, states rights.
     
    You think the average southern farmer that did not own slaves enlisted to fight so that rich could keep their slave labor?

    Yes, very likely. Why is that so hard to believe? You have a lot of poor and middle class people today who support right wing politics and position that largely favor the elite billionaire class. Things like trickle down economics, denial of climate change, structural racism, etc. Surely those same types of people were alive then and supported/fought for slavery in Southern states that benefited the rich. Tradition and states rights and all.
     
    A long list, while at the top would be the romance of war in young males, like every single war from caveman days. Do you think the vast majority of the young men that enlisted and fought did so in order to keep slaves (which they did not own)?
    Do you think the majority of union men enlisted and fought to stop slavery in the south?

    Not slaves of their own, but the institution itself. I always thought it was common knowledge that slaves were otherized and those farmers that couldn't afford slaves of their own were sold on it as "at least you are better than them, ending slavery makes them equal to you."
     
    A long list, while at the top would be the romance of war in young males, like every single war from caveman days. Do you think the vast majority of the young men that enlisted and fought did so in order to keep slaves (which they did not own)?
    Do you think the majority of union men enlisted and fought to stop slavery in the south?

    I expect for the same reason some people rail so hard against illegal border crossings when they live in a town that is 98% white, a thousand miles from the Mexican border and 50 miles from anyone who speaks Spanish
     
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