Now is not the time to talk about gun control (1 Viewer)

[brandon]

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[Texan1211]

I do discount all of those things as significant factors.

Do you deny that they may be contributing factors, no matter how small? Do you honestly believe that access is the only reason for the violence?
As for the rest of it, I have stated I am for gun control. Sensible laws and sensible, strict enforcement of present laws and new ones when passed. Prosecutors refusing to cut deals on gun charges would be a wonderful place to start that I think most folks could easily agree on, and it doesn't take an act of Congress. Holding gun owners responsible would be real nice, too, if they allow their guns to be accessed by someone who commits a crime with it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

"I won't consider it without evidence, yes."
Exactly what I said, and why it is a damn good thing we don't depend on you and like-minded folks to do research on anything. You keep proving my point in almost every post.
What evidence do you think anyone had before someone thought of using a pig valve in a human? Obviously none if it had never been done before. But you in your infinite wisdom wouldn't even bother looking into it merely because there was no evidence that it would work.
yep, that is an example of extreme close-mindedness.

I see the problem we are having. You seem to have mistaken me for a research scientist or expert in some particular field of expertise. I'm not. That's why I'm not actively doing research. If I were a research scientist or an expert, as you clearly seem to believe, you would have a point... but I'm not, so you don't. Hope that clears it up for you!

 

[t_rav_82]

I see the problem we are having. You seem to have mistaken me for a research scientist or expert in some particular field of expertise. I'm not. That's why I'm not actively doing research. If I were a research scientist or an expert, as you clearly seem to believe, you would have a point... but I'm not, so you don't. Hope that clears it up for you!

In his defense, we're all kinda experts when compared to his lack of understanding. So I get why he'd consider you a SME. I'm a rocket surgeon and brain scientist by comparison.

 

[Texan1211]

You seem to have mistaken me for a research scientist or expert in some particular field of expertise. I'm not.

Trust me, the thought never, ever crossed my mind that you were either one.

 

[coldseat]

Do you deny that they may be contributing factors, no matter how small? Do you honestly believe that access is the only reason for the violence?
As for the rest of it, I have stated I am for gun control. Sensible laws and sensible, strict enforcement of present laws and new ones when passed. Prosecutors refusing to cut deals on gun charges would be a wonderful place to start that I think most folks could easily agree on, and it doesn't take an act of Congress. Holding gun owners responsible would be real nice, too, if they allow their guns to be accessed by someone who commits a crime with it.

Like I said, they aren't significant factors.

Why dicuss anything else when we aren't doing anything about the #1 cause by a long shot?

 

[Texan1211]

Like I said, they aren't significant factors

I am aware of your response. Are you aware of what I asked?

Why dicuss anything else when we aren't doing anything about the #1 cause by a long shot?

I have suggested some specific remedies I believe would help, have you? I don't mean meaningless statements like "Control access", either.
Sometimes if one knows the causes of things, it is easier to deal with effectively.

 

[J-DONK]

I am aware of your response. Are you aware of what I asked?

I have suggested some specific remedies I believe would help, have you? I don't mean meaningless statements like "Control access", either.
Sometimes if one knows the causes of things, it is easier to deal with effectively.

What you believe doesn't matter.

You can look at European countries. They don't have God in school. They watch the same violent tv shows and movies. They have the same, or worse divorce rates.

The only difference is the guns, and socalized healthcare.

 

[Texan1211]

What you believe doesn't matter.

Unworthy of response.

You can look at European countries. They don't have God in school. They watch the same violent tv shows and movies. They have the same, or worse divorce rates.

Right-o. Access to guns is the ONLY difference. Can not POSSIBLY be anything else, even though only about 10% more homes have guns than 50 years ago. Kids get guns from friends and relatives or steal them or buy them on the black market illegally, all of which have been available for decades now. But of course you all-knowing types have figured it ALL out, so why are we stuck like this?

 

[J-DONK]

Unworthy of response.

Right-o. Access to guns is the ONLY difference. Can not POSSIBLY be anything else, even though only about 10% more homes have guns than 50 years ago. Kids get guns from friends and relatives or steal them or buy them on the black market illegally, all of which have been available for decades now. But of course you all-knowing types have figured it ALL out, so why are we stuck like this?

No you are right, income inequality also probably plays a huge part in this. None of those nonsense reason you listed would though. You can look at the top countries for gun related deaths per 100k people, and it's all poor LATAM countries.

America was not a peaceful nation 50 years ago. Compare 1970's America with a country like Germany at it's peak at any point in the last 50 years.

Also we have twice as many guns in the country as we did 50 years ago. Interesting you didn't bring up that stat.

 

[Texan1211]

America was not a peaceful nation 50 years ago.

Who claimed it was?

No you are right, income inequality also probably plays a huge part in this.

That is going to play hell with all the fine folks insisting (as you were) that access was the reason, and nothing else mattered. Gee, is that an admission that OTHER factors are at play here?
Taiwan has very strict gun laws, they are not banned there but has an ownership rate that is miniscule. So, they have access to guns but don't choose to own them for the most part. But access is the only reason they don't own many, I'm sure.
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[Texan1211]

No you are right, income inequality also probably plays a huge part in this.

Being poor makes you want to shoot people?
Do poor people not have access to weapons?

 

[coldseat]

I am aware of your response. Are you aware of what I asked?

I have suggested some specific remedies I believe would help, have you? I don't mean meaningless statements like "Control access", either.
Sometimes if one knows the causes of things, it is easier to deal with effectively.

It's nice you say that you support gun control measures, but do you vote that way? If you don't, it doesn't really matter what you say you support.

 

[Texan1211]

It's nice you say that you support gun control measures, but do you vote that way? If you don't, it doesn't really matter what you say you support.

It kind of depends. Not being a one-issue voter, I look at lots of things. I don't understand the rationale for being a one-issue type of voter. Seems extremely lazy and ignorant to me. If only one issue has any effect on your life, share your secret. You agreed with everything the people you vote for say or do? That is unbelievable or sheeplike.

 

[J-DONK]

Being poor makes you want to shoot people?
Do poor people not have access to weapons?

You really don't know this?

The Role of Unemployment, Financial Hardship, and Economic Recession on Suicidal Behaviors and Interventions to Mitigate Their Impact: A Review - PMC

Understanding the social determinants and risk factors for suicidal behaviors underlies the development of effective suicide prevention interventions. This review focused on recently published literature (2010 onwards), with the aim to determine the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The results showed a significant association between unemployment and suicide mortality [odds ratio (OR): 1.87, 95%CI: 1.40–2.50], suicide attempts (OR: 1.54, 95%CI: 1.26–1.89), and suicidal ideation (OR: 1.94, 95%CI: 1.61–2.34).

 

[Texan1211]

You really don't know this?

I don't use being poor as an excuse to commit murder, which I was talking about, not suicide. You really couldn't grasp that?
Nice little charts. I think absolutely no one is saying we are less violent now than in the past, though.

 

[J-DONK]

I don't use being poor as an excuse to commit murder, which I was talking about, not suicide. You really couldn't grasp that?
Nice little charts. I think absolutely no one is saying we are less violent now than in the past, though.

Are you ever going to come up with answer as to why Europe is godless, divorce happy, and loves American Movies, but has a fraction of our gun deaths?

 

[Texan1211]

Are you ever going to come up with answer as to why Europe is godless, divorce happy, and loves American Movies, but has a fraction of our gun deaths?

There are many factors, of course, that can not be summed up with the magic word "ACCESS".

 

[Texan1211]

You really don't know this?

The Role of Unemployment, Financial Hardship, and Economic Recession on Suicidal Behaviors and Interventions to Mitigate Their Impact: A Review - PMC

Understanding the social determinants and risk factors for suicidal behaviors underlies the development of effective suicide prevention interventions. This review focused on recently published literature (2010 onwards), with the aim to determine the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Our standard of living in America is higher than Europe. If the poor in America were a nation, they would rank among the world's richest.
Interesting read here: https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-richer-than-most-nations-of-europe/