Now is not the time to talk about gun control (1 Viewer)

[brandon]

T&P

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[J-DONK]

There are many factors, of course, that can not be summed up with the magic word "ACCESS".

LOL

 

[coldseat]

It kind of depends. Not being a one-issue voter, I look at lots of things. I don't understand the rationale for being a one-issue type of voter. Seems extremely lazy and ignorant to me. If only one issue has any effect on your life, share your secret. You agreed with everything the people you vote for say or do? That is unbelievable or sheeplike.

You've done that several times now when discussing topics and your contradictions have been brought to your attention. It's a way for you to move the goalpost and change the subject. We are in a thread on gun control after all.

To answer your question though, I think you have to prioritize issues and weigh them when voting. But on just about every topic of importance today, Democrats have a better policy positions than Republicans. It's an easy choice.

Gun control ranks very high. It's an actual way we can truly protect kids instead of creating fear about Trans kids the way Republicans do.

 

[Texan1211]

You've done that several times now when discussing topics and your contractions have been bought to your attention. It's a way for you to move the goalpost and change the subject. We are in a thread on gun contrrol after all

That sounds like bull because you didn't like the answer you got. Some of the people I have voted for support stronger gun control and some don't.
If you didn't understand my answer look up what a one-issue voter is.

creating fear about Trans kids the way Republicans do.

Jesus Christ.
Blah,blah, blah, wah, wah, wah.

 

[J-DONK]

Our standard of living in America is higher than Europe. If the poor in America were a nation, they would rank among the world's richest.
Interesting read here: https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-richer-than-most-nations-of-europe/

I'm not sure what you are trying to refute with that? I gave you an nih study. You can find others as well.

Also, America has all time high levels of income inequality. Comparable to those LATAM countries if not higher.

You should be asking yourself if single moms, god not in schools, and violent movies are contributing factors. Why does Europe have such vastly different outcomes?

 

[Texan1211]

I'm not sure what you are trying to refute with that?

Did you not bring up income inequality?

No you are right, income inequality also probably plays a huge part in this

Oh, look, there are your words.
Maybe if you read what I linked it will magically come to you.
It seems like you are throwing all sorts of things out that may have been contributing factors beyond access. Didn't know you believed that way.

 

[Texan1211]

Gun control ranks very high.

I'm all for effective, fair gun control.

 

[Texan1211]

You should be asking yourself if single moms, god not in schools, and violent movies are contributing factors.

You should read the links in your own post. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articl...he results showed a significant,CI: 1.61–2.34).

 

[Texan1211]

But on just about every topic of importance today, Democrats have a better policy positions than Republicans

Everyone has an opinion.

 

[Dragon]

Our standard of living in America is higher than Europe. If the poor in America were a nation, they would rank among the world's richest.
Interesting read here: https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-richer-than-most-nations-of-europe/

Well this is not a government institute and the way it presents data is flawed. The FEE is a libertarian right-wing organisation that also publishes content on social media heavily leaning towards the conservative perspective on economic. FEE, founded in 1946, is considered the oldest free-market think tank in the United States. An early aim was to roll back policies of the New Deal. FEE opposed the Marshall Plan, Social Security and minimum wages, among other American social and economic policies.
Funding ; DonorsTrust, $544,120 ; Lowndes Foundation, $393,909 ; Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, $304,267 ; National Christian Charitable Foundation ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Economic_Education

Their take is misleading. From the report:

The OECD’s poverty rates say nothing about which nation is “the poorest.” Nonetheless, this is exactly how the Times misrepresented them.

The upshot is laid bare by the fact that this OECD measure assigns a higher poverty rate to the US (17.8 percent) than to Mexico (16.6 percent). Yet World Bank data show that 35 percent of Mexico’s population lives on less than $5.50 per day, compared to only 2 percent of people in the United States.

The problem is that they deal in actual money and not purchase power. You can buy more with the equivalent of $5.50 per day in Mexico and other countries that rank higher on the powerty scale, So what FEE is doing is attempting to twist the data to show that the poor in the US is rich by misrepresenting data.

 

[brandon]

Full cognitive dissonance on display in this thread.

 

[Dragon]

I'm not sure what you are trying to refute with that? I gave you an nih study. You can find others as well.

Also, America has all time high levels of income inequality. Comparable to those LATAM countries if not higher.

You should be asking yourself if single moms, god not in schools, and violent movies are contributing factors. Why does Europe have such vastly different outcomes?

Single mothers are not allowed to remain on welfare indefinitely. Instead, they participate in mandatory job training or education programs, supported by a dedicated mentor. This approach ensures that staying on welfare is not an option by choice.

Our society provides excellent childcare facilities, which are free for low-income families. This enables parents to focus on gaining the skills and qualifications needed to re-enter the workforce. The system is designed to help individuals regain self-sufficiency as quickly as possible, transforming them into taxpaying, contributing members of society rather than remaining reliant on public assistance.

The same approach applies to young people who drop out of school. They are enrolled in a mentoring program designed to identify their strengths and abilities. With the guidance of their mentor, they are supported in pursuing a career path that aligns with both their skills and interests, helping them build a productive and fulfilling future. While we do have gangs, the police and social workers are constantly working on disolving those by offering another way forward for the members and prospect.

 

[coldseat]

That sounds like bull because you didn't like the answer you got. Some of the people I have voted for support stronger gun control and some don't.
If you didn't understand my answer look up what a one-issue voter is.

It's comical that any Republican voter would complain about one-issue voters. 30% of GOP voters are one issue anti-abortion/anti-LGBTQ+ voters, 20% are one issue 2nd Amendment/No Gun Control voters, 20% are one issue anti-tax/trickle down economic voters and 20% are one issue anti-Immigration voters. 90% of the GOP voters are one issue voters. But yeah, keep complaining about it, lol.

Jesus Christ.
Blah,blah, blah, wah, wah, wah.

Proof that it's true.

 

[Texan1211]

Well this is not a government institute and the way it presents data is flawed. The FEE is a libertarian right-wing organisation that also publishes content on social media heavily leaning towards the conservative perspective on economic. FEE, founded in 1946, is considered the oldest free-market think tank in the United States. An early aim was to roll back policies of the New Deal. FEE opposed the Marshall Plan, Social Security and minimum wages, among other American social and economic policies.
Funding ; DonorsTrust, $544,120 ; Lowndes Foundation, $393,909 ; Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, $304,267 ; National Christian Charitable Foundation ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Economic_Education

Their take is misleading. From the report:

The OECD’s poverty rates say nothing about which nation is “the poorest.” Nonetheless, this is exactly how the Times misrepresented them.

The upshot is laid bare by the fact that this OECD measure assigns a higher poverty rate to the US (17.8 percent) than to Mexico (16.6 percent). Yet World Bank data show that 35 percent of Mexico’s population lives on less than $5.50 per day, compared to only 2 percent of people in the United States.

The problem is that they deal in actual money and not purchase power. You can buy more with the equivalent of $5.50 per day in Mexico and other countries that rank higher on the powerty scale, So what FEE is doing is attempting to twist the data to show that the poor in the US is rich by misrepresenting data.

You haven't said how the report is wrong exactly, or why you think that other than it being from the right.

 

[Dragon]

You haven't said how the report is wrong exactly, or why you think that other than it being from the right.

But I certainly did

The problem is that they deal in actual money and not purchase power. You can buy more with the equivalent of $5.50 per day in Mexico and other countries that rank higher on the powerty scale, So what FEE is doing is attempting to twist the data to show that the poor in the US is rich by misrepresenting data.

There is a reason OECD is using relative numbers because if a bread cost 10 c in one country and 2$ in another, the value of the money are not the same even if the numbers are higher

This isn’t just my opinion; it’s a fact. Charles G. Koch, who is as far-right as one can be, along with the National Christian Charitable Foundation, exemplifies this ideology.

 

[Texan1211]

But I certainly did

The problem is that they deal in actual money and not purchase power. You can buy more with the equivalent of $5.50 per day in Mexico and other countries that rank higher on the powerty scale, So what FEE is doing is attempting to twist the data to show that the poor in the US is rich by misrepresenting data.

You would have to read my entire link to understand the methodology, which was explained.

 

[Texan1211]

It's comical that any Republican voter would complain about one-issue voters. 30% of GOP voters are one issue anti-abortion/anti-LGBTQ+ voters, 20% are one issue 2nd Amendment/No Gun Control voters, 20% are one issue anti-tax/trickle down economic voters and 20% are one issue anti-Immigration voters. 90% of the GOP voters are one issue voters.

Easy to SAY, but can you prove any of that? Besides, I am referring to ME, was that somehow too unclear to you?
You asked if I only voted for people supporting stricter gun laws. and then I explained that it isn't the number one issue for me. I even asked if you voted for people who you only agree with 100%.

Proof that it's true.

You sound Trump-deranged. I am sorry for your loss, but have you considered starting to charge him rent for living rent-free in your head?

 

[Dragon]

You would have to read my entire link to understand the methodology, which was explained.

I quoted it and I did read it all. They even bragged in the beginning about using that other method. The report are using actual numbers NOT numbers adjusted for the cost of living in the different countries. That way they falsely make it look like that poor people in the US are richer than poor people in Mexico

The upshot is laid bare by the fact that this OECD measure assigns a higher poverty rate to the US (17.8 percent) than to Mexico (16.6 percent). Yet World Bank data show that 35 percent of Mexico’s population lives on less than $5.50 per day, compared to only 2 percent of people in the United States.

 

[coldseat]

Easy to SAY, but can you prove any of that? Besides, I am referring to ME, was that somehow too unclear to you?
You asked if I only voted for people supporting stricter gun laws. and then I explained that it isn't the number one issue for me. I even asked if you voted for people who you only agree with 100%.

It's not easy to say. It's obvious and been like that for years.

You sound Trump-deranged. I am sorry for your loss, but have you considered starting to charge him rent for living rent-free in your head?

Uh-hu. All those trans-hate ads Trump and all Republicans ran during the election were just for shirts and giggles.