Long term changes from the pandemic?? (2 Viewers)

[GMRfellowtraveller]

do you anticipate any long term changes in this country?
for the most part, i'm not sure we've responded to crisis moments very well - 9/11 did not have a lasting change (we're still fighting a war against people who did not attack us); Katrina? i still can't tell if the response to Katrina is a net positive; there have been a number of infrastructural disasters, but i don't think we've committed to overhauling failing infrastructure; we certainly learned precious few lessons from the banking collapse...
so i don't really foresee us learning any sort of lesson here

HOWEVER, i do think there is any opportunity for significant changes
Healthcare is the obvious one - no need to dig too deep on that one'
Universal Basic Income - i think the upcoming month will show the benefit of UBI - 10,000s of families needing to scramble/adapt with out of school kids and the big hurt that's coming for the gig economy (and the fact that the bipartisan virus bill only covers about 20% of workers for sick leave) and the other 'law of unintended consequences' we're about to discover would be eased tremendously by a UBI
IF we had a UBI, businesses could be a bit more flexible/redundant in their staffing practices - flexible 4 day work weeks would make it easier for families to adapt/respond to crises

i could forsee big accelerations to the work from home economy and LOTS more delivery services

thoughts?

 

[MT15]

Look, nobody can honestly say that Trump hasn’t botched this situation from the beginning. He did the exact wrong thing to do at every turn, practically. He might turn it around from this point, maybe, let’s all fervently hope he can. But there are undoubtedly going to be far more deaths here than there needed to be, because of his incompetence. When people defend him on this, it completely exposes them as nothing but partisan fan boys.

It‘s just such a tell. Can’t take someone who is defending this debacle seriously. Like at all.

 

[not2rich]

Look, nobody can honestly say that Trump hasn’t botched this situation from the beginning. He did the exact wrong thing to do at every turn, practically. He might turn it around from this point, maybe, let’s all fervently hope he can. But there are undoubtedly going to be far more deaths here than there needed to be, because of his incompetence. When people defend him on this, it completely exposes them as nothing but partisan fan boys.

It‘s just such a tell. Can’t take someone who is defending this debacle seriously. Like at all.

It's funny how SFL realized this is a serious situation from a Joe Rogan podcast, yet here he is today carrying Trump's water. He probably watched FNC last night for his talking points. Yet, I've encountered several Republicans who think the crisis is a "hoax" (their exact words), so if SFL wants anyone to stop spreading that "lie" maybe he should start with his clan. If anyone misinterpreted Trump and the FNC message, it's their followers/viewers. Right now, Republicans are the most likely group to spread the virus.

 

[dtc]

I'd like to see us become healthier. Quit the sugar to lower diabetes - get out and exercise and help our hearts. But I doubt that will happen.

I moved 5 months ago. The recumbent bike went in downstairs storage at the new house.

Today, it moved out to a new place under the deck with a new TV and speakers so it's ready and accessible. I'll happily plan to be the exception.

 

[dtc]

There has been a shortage of tests so they've had to reserve them for the sickest patients. In the hospitals I work at they are designating certain nurses and therapists to only take care of the Covid 19 patients. They are in the process of ramping up testing now.

The biggest concern seems to be the hospital system being overwhelmed instead of mass casualties. There are not enough ICU beds, ventilators, and personal protective equipment for hospital workers. We will run out of the N-95 masks that are required to treat these patients. We can only get one of those masks for an entire shift only if you are directly caring for a Covid 19 patient.

It also shows how we shouldn't be getting all of our medicine, and personal protective equipment from China. The chase of profits by companies moving their production of goods has made us rely on China for almost everything.

Dammit, man. It almost sounds like you've come around to the dark side.

Why don't we have enough tests?

Who caused us to have an administration who didn't pay attention to the handoff protocols initiated by GW?

Why don't we have a healthcare system based on healthcare instead of profits?
WTH?

 

[dtc]

The major issue is with testing. It has taken way to long to set up testing, get it distributed, and make sure we were testing a high capacity. Without the testing, we had no vision on how the virus was entering the country, how to clamp down on it and where it was spreading. We were guessing and wishfully hoping for months when we should have been preparing with ramping up testing, acquisition and stockpiling of PPE and doing our best to prevent community spread. That would have flattened our curve substantially. Our lack of preparation is a reflection of how lackadaisical Trump was in addressing this in crisis before it became a full flown crisis.

He's also largely responsible for the many people who still believe this isn't a big deal.

Every single person I know who thinks this is a big bunch of craziness is a Trump supporter.

I think that speaks for itself on a day where they canceled school in my state through the end of April.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Reading comprehension is hard.

I can be for some and you seem to be struggling with it mightily.

Really? you HAVE to see the flaw in your logic - there's no way to miss it

It's hard to see [mod edit - inflammatory].

Let's be clear, TRUMP DID NOT CAUSE THE COVID-19 Virus. I'm hearing, and maybe it's true or maybe it isn't but possibly that he knew about it back in December and failed to do anything about it. In fact, his first inclination on this was to try to lie it away. While he didn't cause the virus, he and his administration are fully and unequivocally responsible for the rapid and pervasive spread of this virus.

The one thing about this virus is that you don't have to believe it is real like the majority of trump supporters. And as they are lying their dying, I wonder if they will have an epiphany and realize that indeed it was real and the reason they are about to meet their maker is because they chose to believe a proven habitual liar rather than the scientist who warned them. Non-believers deserve their fate.

 

[SFIDC3]

I'm still friends with a guy (who happens to be a higher up at NIH) whose son played soccer with my son, he knew some of the folks on the original pandemic team...I texted him the other day to see how things were going and told him if he didn't respond I totally understand, he said sorry to be so brief as I'm uber busy (obviously) but had that pandemic team been in place I have little doubt would be ahead of the virus right now....and it would have saved a lot of lives....

Anyone still trying to defend this administration's handling of this is....really telling....

 

[CoolBrees]

trump THIS MONTH said the hype was a hoax, it would be over in April, it is no big deal and everything is going to be fine.

He needs to be hung with those words.

As an aside, I wonder how Hannity is spinning this since he said it was the Deep State like Friday.

Seriously if you can’t identify the complete
180 - he’s saying he is a wartime president for god sakes- the you are not wanting to see how badly he botched this.

 

[insidejob]

trump THIS MONTH said the hype was a hoax, it would be over in April, it is no big deal and everything is going to be fine.

He needs to be hung with those words.

As an aside, I wonder how Hannity is spinning this since he said it was the Deep State like Friday.

Seriously if you can’t identify the complete
180 - he’s saying he is a wartime president for god sakes- the you are not wanting to see how badly he botched this.

There's a great video on twitter of the change inn Fox News' coverage of this from the beginning of the month to now. Here, I found it:

 

[SaintForLife]

Every single person I know who thinks this is a big bunch of craziness is a Trump supporter.

I think that speaks for itself on a day where they canceled school in my state through the end of April.

I have found that as well and it's very unfortunate. It's hard to blame those people to have that intial view when the media has been pushing a new Trump controversy every few weeks(many fizzle out after more time or examination)for the last 3 years. Boy who cried wolf effect

 

[JimEverett]

I think it is fair to criticize Trump for lacking leadership during the early stages of this. I agree with that criticism - at least to some extent.
But it seems hard to really ride Trump over the spread of the virus, or the extent of the damage it is or even will cause, too much when you see what is happening in Europe.

 

[Saintamaniac]

I think it is fair to criticize Trump for lacking leadership during the early stages of this. I agree with that criticism - at least to some extent.
But it seems hard to really ride Trump over the spread of the virus, or the extent of the damage it is or even will cause, too much when you see what is happening in Europe.

Come on really? There is very little that trump has done in my eyes that warrant giving him credit for anything. However, IMO, his actions and his repeated lies have directly contributed to the spread of the virus and lack of action to combat it. Trump can claim that he is not responsible but it is his administration that has botched this and their incompetence will have long reaching impacts to this country. Covid -19 is Puerto Rico on a national scale. Remember Puerto Rico where hundreds of thousands of our fellow US citizens were left hanging out to dry and continue to be left to hang out to dry by the trump administration?

 

[JimEverett]

Come on really? There is very little that trump has done in my eyes that warrant giving him credit for anything. However, IMO, his actions and his repeated lies have directly contributed to the spread of the virus and lack of action to combat it. Trump can claim that he is not responsible but it is his administration that has botched this and their incompetence will have long reaching impacts to this country. Covid -19 is Puerto Rico on a national scale. Remember Puerto Rico where hundreds of thousands of our fellow US citizens were left hanging out to dry and continue to be left to hang out to dry by the trump administration?

Who is giving him "credit" for anything?

My point was simply that looking at what is happening with this virus in Europe it seems hard to really ride Trump over the coronavirus response. If there is a major failure - its a collective major failure among pretty much the entire western world leadership (or mos of it, at least) - which, imo, suggests something beyond personality.

 

[SaintForLife]

I think it is fair to criticize Trump for lacking leadership during the early stages of this. I agree with that criticism - at least to some extent.
But it seems hard to really ride Trump over the spread of the virus, or the extent of the damage it is or even will cause, too much when you see what is happening in Europe.

Excellent post, but you can guarantee that the left and many people here will find some way to try to link Trump to the spread of the virus.

I've criticized Trump for what he was saying about it initially, but if you question the narrative around here then it's back to the strawman of we support everything Trump does or says.

 

[SFIDC3]

Excellent post, but you can guarantee that the left and many people here will find some way to try to link Trump to the spread of the virus.

I've criticized Trump for what he was saying about it initially, but if you question the narrative around here then it's back to the strawman of we support everything Trump does or says.

That post was a big load of ...nonsense....you both are missing or simply ignoring the bigger issue here....all of Trump's actions (up until today which would qualify as at least weeks too late) have led us to where we are now, the firing of the pandemic team was the first terrible mistake, the downplaying of the virus when all the experts where warning us was a terrible and avoidable mistake (today it seems he finally feels he is backed into a corner and can no longer deny, deny)....

Keep your blinders on though, it has worked so well for you to this point....

 

[Saintamaniac]

Excellent post, but you can guarantee that the left and many people here will find some way to try to link Trump to the spread of the virus.

I've criticized Trump for what he was saying about it initially, but if you question the narrative around here then it's back to the strawman of we support everything Trump does or says.

Oh please. You have been one of the biggest trump apologist on this forum. People are suddenly supposed to not see you as such because you once criticized trump for lying. You decided to not try to defend the indefensible. You want a medal for that? Its the trump administration. It's his fault. Whether he admits it or not, the buck stops with him. This is his mess. It has been his goal to dismantle the government one department at a time either purposely or by putting unqualified people in positions of leadership. Trump owns the Covid-19 US lack of response and he owns the resulting economic impact from it.

 

[Saintamaniac]

That post was a big load of ...nonsense....you both are missing or simply ignoring the bigger issue here....all of Trump's actions (up until today which would qualify as at least weeks too late) have led us to where we are now, the firing of the pandemic team was the first terrible mistake, the downplaying of the virus when all the experts where warning us was a terrible and unavoidable mistake (today it seems he finally feels he is backed into a corner and can no longer deny, deny)....

Keep your blinders on though, it has worked so well for you to this point....

Now THIS is an excellent post.

 

[JimEverett]

What is rump's "fault"? The spread of the virus? I know that you are not blaming Trump for the virus itself.

If its his fault for the spread of the virus then isn't it the fault of basically every western European leader at this point as well?

Economic concerns are his fault? Again, is the impact simply in the USA?

And I am not engaging in whataboutism or whatever you want to call it. The point is more about the western world's ability to respond itself - in a way that is categorically different from China and, perhaps, even Korea.

Isn't it clear at this point that this is not a uniquely U.S.A. problem?