Long term changes from the pandemic?? (1 Viewer)

[GMRfellowtraveller]

do you anticipate any long term changes in this country?
for the most part, i'm not sure we've responded to crisis moments very well - 9/11 did not have a lasting change (we're still fighting a war against people who did not attack us); Katrina? i still can't tell if the response to Katrina is a net positive; there have been a number of infrastructural disasters, but i don't think we've committed to overhauling failing infrastructure; we certainly learned precious few lessons from the banking collapse...
so i don't really foresee us learning any sort of lesson here

HOWEVER, i do think there is any opportunity for significant changes
Healthcare is the obvious one - no need to dig too deep on that one'
Universal Basic Income - i think the upcoming month will show the benefit of UBI - 10,000s of families needing to scramble/adapt with out of school kids and the big hurt that's coming for the gig economy (and the fact that the bipartisan virus bill only covers about 20% of workers for sick leave) and the other 'law of unintended consequences' we're about to discover would be eased tremendously by a UBI
IF we had a UBI, businesses could be a bit more flexible/redundant in their staffing practices - flexible 4 day work weeks would make it easier for families to adapt/respond to crises

i could forsee big accelerations to the work from home economy and LOTS more delivery services

thoughts?

 

[insidejob]

And now it's happened in LA: https://wwl.radio.com/articles/bars-to-close-at-midnight-restaurants-to-go-take-outdelive?utm_source=WWL-AM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WWL Breaking News&utm_content=Bars to close at midnight, restaurants to go take-out/delivery only

• Gatherings are limited to no more than 50 people.
• Casinos and bars will be closed.
• Restaurants will be closed to patrons eating on site. Take-out, drive-through and delivery orders are allowed.
• Movie theaters will be closed.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

what i would do for service/grocery industry:
limit shifts to daylight hours
1st hour is for elderly
limit of length of shifts (3-4 hours) but pay for full shift
priortize app orders
duct tape 6 ft lines on floor to keep social distance in store (q outside if no 'space' inside)
limit cash transactions (not ready to pull trigger on banning cash)
no handoffs - employee puts product on counter/table
last 10 minutes of each hour are for cleaning surfaces

 

[Devildog]

Why in the hell were they not going to test her? I mean, she's part of the most at risk group possible, so shouldn't she be a no-brainer for testing?

What the hell is wrong with people in charge in this country? Has stupidity become a requirement for getting a job with some subordinates?

No idea. She fits the criteria and is immunocompromised. Plus, we do have cases of it here in DFW. The nurses had to basically plead with hospital admin staff to get her tested and then they won't even know until Wednesday. Add to that 2 other people in her hospital being monitored. It's a shirt show.

 

[insidejob]

It's a shirt show.

"MASA 2020 - It's a shirt Show"

(Make America Sick Again)

 

[coldseat]

One of the things I hope will change is that people will now have a renewed appreciation and acceptance of science and expert advice. And I hope they will learn to differentiate between a TV expert and a somebody who's an actual expert. Long shot, I know, but it would help if people learned to filter out the noise.

I would hope it would also teach people that having a narcissistic idiot in the white house during a crisis is a bad idea, but that's a pipe dream.

 

[Heathen]

I don't see how small businesses (restaurants) all over the place that aren't already set up well on takeout apps won't go under without aid from the Fed. It's just a fact that most people will get groceries instead anyway.

This is a worst-case scenario. Small businesses need to be bailed out like Wall Street was bailed out, assuming this lasts months or longer.

 

[The moose]

I don't see how small businesses (restaurants) all over the place that aren't already set up well on takeout apps won't go under without aid from the Fed. It's just a fact that most people will get groceries instead anyway.

This is a worst-case scenario. Small businesses need to be bailed out like Wall Street was bailed out, assuming this lasts months or longer.

I see what you are saying.

The only problem is that is not how it works. The small guy never gets a bail out. You can as the small farmers about that.

 

[Heathen]

I see what you are saying.

The only problem is that is not how it works. The small guy never gets a bail out. You can as the small farmers about that.

Oh i know it won't happen, it's just sad that we're gonna all struggle again in this downturn and most folks will be back to defending bailouts for megacorps in a few years.. like clockwork

 

[Heathen]

I found this statement from an article very telling:

The scramble reveals a class system in which a mark of relative status is the power to withdraw. If you have wealth or a salary from an institution that values you, and enough space at home, you might be able to pull off the essentially absurd trick of isolating yourself for a few months by drawing down the global web of commodities on display at Costco and Trader Joe’s. But for the 50 percent of the country that has no savings and lives paycheck to paycheck, or in small apartments with little food storage, or has to hustle every day to find work, this is simply impossible. People will be out every day, on the subways, at the gas stations, choosing between epidemiological prudence and economic survival, because they have no choice but to make that choice

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

I found this statement from an article very telling:

This economy will facilitate the spread of the virus
But airline boardrooms should be fine

 

[The moose]

I found this statement from an article very telling:

Yep I understand the problems we face here. Heading out to work in a bit. I really don't deal with many people and work solo.

The silver lining is I always have tons of food and so forth for hurricane season. We are pretty stocked and could eat for a couple months.

New Orleans is not gonna be in a good place the vast majority of the city earns from what is shut down. It is gonna get scary here quick.

 

[Maxp]

If it costs the hospital money, the administrators will say no until they can't. This is one of the largest flaws with out healthcare system.

 

[SaintForLife]

Why in the hell were they not going to test her? I mean, she's part of the most at risk group possible, so shouldn't she be a no-brainer for testing?

What the hell is wrong with people in charge in this country? Has stupidity become a requirement for getting a job with some subordinates?

There has been a shortage of tests so they've had to reserve them for the sickest patients. In the hospitals I work at they are designating certain nurses and therapists to only take care of the Covid 19 patients. They are in the process of ramping up testing now.

The biggest concern seems to be the hospital system being overwhelmed instead of mass casualties. There are not enough ICU beds, ventilators, and personal protective equipment for hospital workers. We will run out of the N-95 masks that are required to treat these patients. We can only get one of those masks for an entire shift only if you are directly caring for a Covid 19 patient.

It also shows how we shouldn't be getting all of our medicine, and personal protective equipment from China. The chase of profits by companies moving their production of goods has made us rely on China for almost everything.

 

[SaintForLife]

One of the things I hope will change is that people will now have a renewed appreciation and acceptance of science and expert advice. And I hope they will learn to differentiate between a TV expert and a somebody who's an actual expert. Long shot, I know, but it would help if people learned to filter out the noise.

I would hope it would also teach people that having a narcissistic idiot in the white house during a crisis is a bad idea, but that's a pipe dream.

Man. You guys can't even take a break from political attacks even during a national crisis.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Man. You guys can't even take a break from political attacks even during a national crisis.

Seriously?
Maybe add a bit of perspective to this, yeah?

 

[The moose]

If it costs the hospital money, the administrators will say no until they can't. This is one of the largest flaws with out healthcare system.

That is the problem with open market health care.

It is the same exact way on the insurance side. You have to fight for everything with everyone.

It is sad that bean counters on both sides make the rules.

 

[The moose]

There has been a shortage of tests so they've had to reserve them for the sickest patients. In the hospitals I work at they are designating certain nurses and therapists to only take care of the Covid 19 patients. They are in the process of ramping up testing now.

The biggest concern seems to be the hospital system being overwhelmed instead of mass casualties. There are not enough ICU beds, ventilators, and personal protective equipment for hospital workers. We will run out of the N-95 masks that are required to treat these patients. We can only get one of those masks for an entire shift only if you are directly caring for a Covid 19 patient.

It also shows how we shouldn't be getting all of our medicine, and personal protective equipment from China. The chase of profits by companies moving their production of goods has made us rely on China for almost everything.

The lack of masks has not one thing to do with China.

It has to do with profit. If you spend capital on what the heck might happen it looks bad on the bottom line.

That is free market not China

 

[bdb13]

Man. You guys can't even take a break from political attacks even during a national crisis.

It's a national crisis that has been undeniably exacerbated by Trump and his instincts/cohorts that told him this was a hoax while continuing his own political attacks when we were losing valuable time in combatting this.

Obviously it's good he came around but it was way late and I don't know what damage we're doing or why there'd be a problem in criticizing Trump on a political message board.