Joe Biden on Gun Control (1 Viewer)

[Beach Friends]

While saying he supports the Second Amendment, Biden called the absolutist arguments of some gun-rights supporters “bizarre.” Noting people can’t own machine guns or bazookas, Biden said, “Why should we allow people to have military-style weapons including pistols with 9-mm bullets and can hold 10 or more rounds?”

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IMO, if Biden wants to persuade people, including those who want to retain the right to own weapons for self defense, he really should learn more about guns. Based on prior statements as well those he made in the linked article, he seems hung up on the idea that a shotgun is the correct weapon for personal defense, and that a 2-3 round capacity is adequate. Furthermore, when he throws out "9mm" as if it is some unusually lethal round, he really sounds as though he is, at best, willfully ignorant and can't be trusted when it comes to legislation restricting gun ownership.

 

[Joe Okc]

And if a criminal doesn't register his gun? Then what? What do ya do then? Tell me?

Why Don't you have the criminal get a concealed carry permit too? I mean.. it is the law you know.

 

[Lazybones]

And if a criminal doesn't register his gun? Then what? What do ya do then? Tell me?

Why Don't you have the criminal get a concealed carry permit too? I mean.. it is the law you know.

joe did you not read the article. Being illegal to build guns would have prevented this guy from legally getting a weapon to illegally shoot people.

why didn’t the fact that it is against the law to shoot innocent people stop him from shooting innocent people?

 

[Lazybones]

In your opinion, who or what should the profiling be based upon?

If I were going to make the argument, I would profile based on the crimes we were attempting to stop.

 

[RegularChuck]

If I were going to make the argument, I would profile based on the crimes we were attempting to stop.

Stop with the politispeak, let's fix the problem.

 

[The moose]

And if a criminal doesn't register his gun? Then what? What do ya do then? Tell me?

Why Don't you have the criminal get a concealed carry permit too? I mean.. it is the law you know.

Joe to be totally honest with you if you are a lawful citizen then why would that matter to you.


You could have a million other things to be pissed about like Warren buffet has paid tax on only a dollar salary for over the last 40 years so last week you paid more into social security last week than the third richest person in the world has in over 40 years. Get pissed about that.

Yes the criminals are gonna be criminals.

We don't need 80% guns for anyone in the world to get a gun shipped to them untraceable criminal or not.

They then can be purchased by anyone with a pre paid debit card. Totally untraceable. So in essence you could have children ordering guns.

See the problem here?

So want to talk about your rights? What about just fill out paperwork? What about just close the loopholes?

You are not a criminal why do care?

 

[coldseat]

joe did you not read the article. Being illegal to build guns would have prevented this guy from legally getting a weapon to illegally shoot people.

why didn’t the fact that it is against the law to shoot innocent people stop him from shooting innocent people?

With that rational, we shouldn't have any gun laws at all? Why make it hard for criminals, let's make it super easy and not have any gun laws at all.

 

[Infoman]

I'll say it again... because no one wants to address it.... and everyone just likes to argue the minutiae and trivial talking points...

But how does any sort of additional gun legislation address the root cause of Illegal / Unjustified / Suicide related Gun Violence (Personal, Mental, Financial and Educational issues).... and not just become another in a long line of failed attempts to treat the ever-present symptoms... Which has never in the history of this country worked to accomplish anything? Especially when we can't even realistically enforce the gun laws we already have on the books as they stand?

Throwing more random restrictions out there and banning new "scary things" to appease the uneducated will change nothing (as usual)... until we make real efforts and spend real resources to tackle the root causes like mental health and wellness support, education, job training, etc. to curb the root cause of violent people being violent (regardless of the methods they use to inflict their fury)... nothing changes.

Seriously? I am asking for a friend named... "The failed endless war on drugs"

And no one (should be) saying that "we shouldn't have any gun laws at all"... we should obviously have some gun laws on the books as guidelines for law abiding and responsible gun owners (and we already do)... Point is... the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results... Yet, we keep banning things, and eroding rights in the name of safety and security, and we keep expecting the human condition / nature to somehow miraculously change because of it.... instead of addressing the root cause of the human condition... It's Insanity.

 

[Joe Okc]

With that rational, we shouldn't have any gun laws at all? Why make it hard for criminals, let's make it super easy and not have any gun laws at all.

Hey... I got an idea... how about we create a law that lets cops search you with a metal detector at every traffic stop, suspicious activity or ID check.... and if your caught with a firearm in your possession without a concealed weapon permit... The gun is taken and you go to jail... wether the gun is registered or not...

 

[coldseat]

Hey... I got an idea... how about we create a law that lets cops search you with a metal detector at every traffic stop, suspicious activity or ID check.... and if your caught with a firearm in your possession without a concealed weapon permit... The gun is taken and you go to jail...

No.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

joe did you not read the article. Being illegal to build guns would have prevented this guy from legally getting a weapon to illegally shoot people.

why didn’t the fact that it is against the law to shoot innocent people stop him from shooting innocent people?

You’re not making an analogy to Joe’s argument
Joe’s argument would be that since criminals don’t follow laws like ‘don’t shoot people ‘ then we should be free to shoot people

It’s not a sound argument

 

[Joe Okc]

No.

Then please stop saying junk like: "We gotta do it for the kids, think of the children.".. Cause you like a bunch of other people only want to enact new laws when it only effects others and not you. Your stance says gun control and the kids is Not you prime concern...

You’re not making an analogy to Joe’s argument
Joe’s argument would be that since criminals don’t follow laws like ‘don’t shoot people ‘ then we should be free to shoot people

I have to quote that just so people can read that nonsense twice...most ridiculous thing I have read on this site yet...

 

[Beach Friends]

Okay, back to the other Joe, VP Biden's belief that having a weapon with a capacity of 10 rounds is not necessary:

 

[coldseat]

Then please stop saying junk like: "We gotta do it for the kids, think of the children.".. Cause you like a bunch of other people only want to enact new laws when it only effects others and not you. Your stance says gun control and the kids is Not you prime concern...

I'd have to say that first, in order to stop saying it.

I wouldn't do that because I don't trust police with that much power and because it's blatantly illegal. Doing that would cause more problems that it would solve and wouldn't pass SC muster. I'm also not shot-sighted.

What I propose would be legal (if the law is changed) and more effective in keeping guns out of criminal hands, even if it doesn't eliminate gun crime or mass shootings.

 

[The moose]

Okay, back to the other Joe, VP Biden's belief that having a weapon with a capacity of 10 rounds is not necessary:

So did he say law enforcement should have less than 10 in a clip? You know law enforcement can have things the public can not.


Here is another idea.

Why the duck don't people practice enough to get good rather than have a duck ton of rounds on them.

Please keep with the ungodly stupid videos that have nothing to do with any of this. I do prefer the chicks shooting guns if you can post more of them that would be cool

 

[Dragon]

What I don't get is why so many gun owners are against registration? They are presumably all law abiding citizents - what do they fear?

Advantages of registrations are plenty

If a gun is stolen and later recovered by the police, you can get it back
When you buy a gun at a gun show or from a private person, you will be able to verify that you not by accident becomes the owner of a gun previous used in a crime (and which potentially could get you in serious trouble)
If gun registrations required a firearm certification exam and maybe a 6 hours class on how to handle a gun in a safe and secure way, lives may even be saved. Last year according 505 people were killed in the US due to accidential shooting accidents.

 

[Beach Friends]

What I don't get is why so many gun owners are against registration? They are presumably all law abiding citizents - what do they fear?

We just had a Democratic presidential candidate stand on stage and enthusiastically proclaim, "Hell yes, we are going to take your AR-15s." People see registration as a step toward confiscation.

That's the answer, or at least the most common answer.

 

[Dragon]

We just had a Democratic presidential candidate stand on stage and enthusiastically proclaim, "Hell yes, we are going to take your AR-15s." People see registration as a step toward confiscation.

That's the answer, or at least the most common answer.

That would never happen and you know it. There are extremist on both sides and using one as an excuse for not implementing otherwise reasonable laws is unwise.

 

[Beach Friends]

So did he say law enforcement should have less than 10 in a clip? You know law enforcement can have things the public can not.


Here is another idea.

Why the duck don't people practice enough to get good rather than have a duck ton of rounds on them.

Please keep with the ungodly stupid videos that have nothing to do with any of this. I do prefer the chicks shooting guns if you can post more of them that would be cool

The video shows why a 10 round magazine (call it a clip and you out yourself, FYI), may not be sufficient to stop the threat. The officer's rounds were not somehow less effective simply because he was an LEO, so I don't know why you are drawing a distinction between a citizen that may have to use his pistol in self defense and an LEO that may have to use his pistol in the line of duty.

As far as the suggestion that this officer would not have needed to fire as many rounds if only he had practiced more, he hit the suspect with 14 rounds - 6 of which struck vital organs.

One fact that people may not appreciate, it is possible to for a round to cause fatal injuries but yet not immediately incapacitate the threat. That is why officers are taught to continue firing until the suspect is no longer a threat.