Joe Biden on Gun Control (1 Viewer)

[Beach Friends]

While saying he supports the Second Amendment, Biden called the absolutist arguments of some gun-rights supporters “bizarre.” Noting people can’t own machine guns or bazookas, Biden said, “Why should we allow people to have military-style weapons including pistols with 9-mm bullets and can hold 10 or more rounds?”

Speaking at the ‘House of Amazon,’ Joe Biden gently raises company’s role in middle-class job losses

Joe Biden raked in campaign cash at two private Seattle fundraisers on Friday, including one at the home of a top Amazon executive, where the former vice president ever-so-gently raised the role the company has played in the loss of...

www.seattletimes.com

IMO, if Biden wants to persuade people, including those who want to retain the right to own weapons for self defense, he really should learn more about guns. Based on prior statements as well those he made in the linked article, he seems hung up on the idea that a shotgun is the correct weapon for personal defense, and that a 2-3 round capacity is adequate. Furthermore, when he throws out "9mm" as if it is some unusually lethal round, he really sounds as though he is, at best, willfully ignorant and can't be trusted when it comes to legislation restricting gun ownership.

 

[The moose]

Its as if a large segment of our population pays no attention to the world around them and lives in an imaginary world where government is good and decent.

That is the problem with that line of thinking here of all places.

We pay attention. We might be on different sides but all of us pay attention.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

That is the problem with that line of thinking here of all places.

We pay attention. We might be on different sides but all of us pay attention.

And ironic because the part of the government that is often the nexus for abuse in countries that slide into illiberalism, the military, intelligence, and executive, are consistently the branches so called conservatives continue to extend and arm with unchecked power.

You don’t really hear about the health ministry that is processing your doctors bills in a single payer country committing coups. But in that upside down world of so-called big-government skeptical conservatives, we need to gut entitlements and funnel money into defense, while unchecking as much of their power as possible, legislatively and normatively, only checking them when they come into contact with figures in their parties engaging in executive overreach or abuse of the powers many wish(and pretend) were unlimited.

 

[The moose]

Glad to give this one a bump.

Might find a person that is not afraid to discuss the whole ghost gun thing.

Authorities Warn More Criminals are Using 'Ghost Guns' to Get Around Tough Gun Laws

Since the gun is put together from separate parts and doesn't have a serial number, it's almost impossible for law enforcement to track

time.com

The whole children buying ghost guns should be troubling.

 

[Intensesaint]

Glad to give this one a bump.

Might find a person that is not afraid to discuss the whole ghost gun thing.

Authorities Warn More Criminals are Using 'Ghost Guns' to Get Around Tough Gun Laws

Since the gun is put together from separate parts and doesn't have a serial number, it's almost impossible for law enforcement to track

time.com

The whole children buying ghost guns should be troubling.

The key word in that article is 'criminals'. And you are making the argument from those of us who are 2nd amendment advocates. Law abiding citizens always seem to get punished for things criminals do. You can pass all the laws you want but CRIMINALS are still going to break those laws.
I don't see why the left is so hell bent on taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

And before somebody tries to make the argument that people like Adam Lanza wasn't a criminal before the shooting. actually he was, the moment he maid the decision to take up arms against innocent people, he became a criminal.

 

[samiam5211]

The key word in that article is 'criminals'. And you are making the argument from those of us who are 2nd amendment advocates. Law abiding citizens always seem to get punished for things criminals do. You can pass all the laws you want but CRIMINALS are still going to break those laws.
I don't see why the left is so hell bent on taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

And before somebody tries to make the argument that people like Adam Lanza wasn't a criminal before the shooting. actually he was, the moment he maid the decision to take up arms against innocent people, he became a criminal.

Every gun on the black market or in the hands of criminals was manufactured legally. Gun manufacturers do not care where the gun ends up.

The 2nd amendment does not protect unlimited ownership of weapons.

 

[coldseat]

The key word in that article is 'criminals'. And you are making the argument from those of us who are 2nd amendment advocates. Law abiding citizens always seem to get punished for things criminals do. You can pass all the laws you want but CRIMINALS are still going to break those laws.
I don't see why the left is so hell bent on taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

And before somebody tries to make the argument that people like Adam Lanza wasn't a criminal before the shooting. actually he was, the moment he maid the decision to take up arms against innocent people, he became a criminal.

Where exactly do you think they're getting the parts for to assemble these illegal guns? It's not like criminals manufacturing these parts themselves, they don't have that ability. The reason they're able to do this is becase of a lack of good gun laws and regulations that outlaw the ability to get these parts. Seems to invalidate your entire argument.

“Ghost gun” sellers, however, avoid breaking federal law by selling almost completed receivers — known as “80% receivers” — to buyers who can complete the piece on their own with tools or machinery. Some companies will sell the “80% receiver” along with the other parts necessary to fully complete a weapon; others sell the receivers on their own, leaving the buyer to purchase the remaining parts needed for their gun separately.

Ghost guns sellers operate openly online across the United States. As the Associated Press reports, “build parties” are not uncommon, events promoted on social media where people construct firearms together.

 

[Intensesaint]

Where exactly do you think they're getting the parts for to assemble these illegal guns? It's not like criminals manufacturing these parts themselves, they don't have that ability. The reason they're able to do this is becase of a lack of good gun laws and regulations that outlaw the ability to get these parts. Seems to invalidate your entire argument.

So you want to take away guns from law abiding citizens so criminals cannot make their ghost guns?

 

[coldseat]

So you want to take away guns from law abiding citizens so criminals cannot make their ghost guns?

Lol, you didn't even bother to respond to my reply. You'd just rather set up another strawman.

If preventing criminals from getting easy access to guns also happens to prevent some legal gun owners for purchasing gun parts and also assembling illegal weapons (which I don't know how that exactly makes them legal gun owners), then Yes, it is well worth it. It should not be that easy to assemble illegal weapons with legal to purchase gun parts, but our lack adequate gun laws and regulations allow it.

 

[Joe Okc]

Lol, you didn't even bother to respond to my reply. You'd just rather set up another strawman.

If preventing criminals from getting easy access to guns also happens to prevent some legal gun owners for purchasing gun parts and also assembling illegal weapons (which I don't know how that exactly makes them legal gun owners), then Yes, it is well worth it.

Then how do you feel about cops with Metal detectors being able to search you for a gun at any moment... Do you think it's ok for Cops to pull over known felons, known criminals and gang bangers and search them for a weapon at any given moment?

I mean... If it is preventing criminals from having guns then.. YES, it is well worth it.. Wouldn't you say?

 

[coldseat]

Then how do you feel about cops with Metal detectors being able to search you for a gun at any moment... Do you think it's ok for Cops to pull over known felons, known criminals and gang bangers and search them for a weapon at any given moment?

I mean... If it is preventing criminals from having guns then.. YES, it is well worth it.. Wouldn't you say?

Another strawman.

 

[Joe Okc]

Another strawman.

Figured... you really don't want gun control at all... Just whatever looks pretty and makes ya look good... pfftttt...

 

[MT15]

Joe, your proposal would violate the constitution, as I understand it, (unreasonable search and seizure) and I don’t think there are many people who will get on board with it.

 

[coldseat]

Figured... you really don't want gun control at all... Just whatever looks pretty and makes ya look good... pfftttt...

Figured ... You really don't care about gun violence at all ... Just whatever looks pretty and makes ya look good carrying an arsenal ... pffttt.....

 

[The moose]

The key word in that article is 'criminals'. And you are making the argument from those of us who are 2nd amendment advocates. Law abiding citizens always seem to get punished for things criminals do. You can pass all the laws you want but CRIMINALS are still going to break those laws.
I don't see why the left is so hell bent on taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

And before somebody tries to make the argument that people like Adam Lanza wasn't a criminal before the shooting. actually he was, the moment he maid the decision to take up arms against innocent people, he became a criminal.

The key word in that article is 'criminals'. And you are making the argument from those of us who are 2nd amendment advocates. Law abiding citizens always seem to get punished for things criminals do. You can pass all the laws you want but CRIMINALS are still going to break those laws.
I don't see why the left is so hell bent on taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

And before somebody tries to make the argument that people like Adam Lanza wasn't a criminal before the shooting. actually he was, the moment he maid the decision to take up arms against innocent people, he became a criminal.

I have to say here the loopholes and workarounds are horrible and the problem here not the guns in general. They have to shut the door on this.

When you can buy an 80% receiver with jigs to finish an un traceable gun with simple hand tools has to stop.

Do you know how cheap this is and just how simple to finish for an average human with little or no skill?

Complete 10.5" 5.56/300BLK AR-15 Pistol 80% Build Kit

If you need the perfect home-defense gun, the AR-15 Pistol Build kit is exactly what you're looking for.

www.80percentarms.com

Add an easy jig that uses hand tools a router and hand drill you get a stupid illegal gun for under 800 bucks.

That is wrong.

Here is another an entire 9mm kit.

GST-9: 80% Pistol Build Kit

Create your custom GST-9 80% pistol with the Build Kit from 80 Percent Arms. Everything you need for your firearm project.

www.80percentarms.com

Add a jig and a drill. This stuff is not right.

This is sold to anyone online.

I see this as completely wrong. No excuse for it ever. Why is this allowed?

This just a money grab to sell to people that can't get their guns legal.

This would be different if they were supplying arms manufacturers and not the public.

 

[Lazybones]

Another strawman.

You say straw man, how about answer what he is asking? If it’s all about saving lives, do you not think that profiling white nationalist would be a good thing? How about gang bangers? How about anyone with an NRA sticker?

or is it just some people’s liberties that the government should infringe upon?

 

[Dragon]

You say straw man, how about answer what he is asking? If it’s all about saving lives, do you not think that profiling white nationalist would be a good thing? How about gang bangers? How about anyone with an NRA sticker?

or is it just some people’s liberties that the government should infringe upon?

What civil liberties are being infringed by outlawing unregistered guns? AFAIK there is nothing in the constitution which prohibit that. People can still buy and own guns. You also have to register to vote -despite given that right in the constitution...

 

[Dragon]

What civil liberties are being infringed by outlawing unregistered guns? AFAIK there is nothing in the constitution which prohibit that. People can still buy and own guns. You also have to register to vote -despite given that right in the constitution...

As a matter of fact, I actually find that far more troubling. Having party affiliation registered officially should cause way more concern that it seemingly does

 

[coldseat]

You say straw man, how about answer what he is asking? If it’s all about saving lives, do you not think that profiling white nationalist would be a good thing? How about gang bangers? How about anyone with an NRA sticker?

or is it just some people’s liberties that the government should infringe upon?

I won't answer it because it's a strawman and has nothing to do with either the article or my response. That article that I responded to was about people purchasing gun parts and kits to assemble illegal, unregistered weapons. The only thing that's allowing this to happen is our lack gun laws. Why should anybody be able to purchase gun parts for illegal guns that can then be simply assembled by any dolt and subsequently used as an illegal, unregistered weapons in crimes? How exactly does that fit into the framework of a legal gun owner?