Joe Biden on Gun Control (1 Viewer)

[Beach Friends]

While saying he supports the Second Amendment, Biden called the absolutist arguments of some gun-rights supporters “bizarre.” Noting people can’t own machine guns or bazookas, Biden said, “Why should we allow people to have military-style weapons including pistols with 9-mm bullets and can hold 10 or more rounds?”

Speaking at the ‘House of Amazon,’ Joe Biden gently raises company’s role in middle-class job losses

Joe Biden raked in campaign cash at two private Seattle fundraisers on Friday, including one at the home of a top Amazon executive, where the former vice president ever-so-gently raised the role the company has played in the loss of...

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IMO, if Biden wants to persuade people, including those who want to retain the right to own weapons for self defense, he really should learn more about guns. Based on prior statements as well those he made in the linked article, he seems hung up on the idea that a shotgun is the correct weapon for personal defense, and that a 2-3 round capacity is adequate. Furthermore, when he throws out "9mm" as if it is some unusually lethal round, he really sounds as though he is, at best, willfully ignorant and can't be trusted when it comes to legislation restricting gun ownership.

 

[Lazybones]

Joe I like you but the music and video game thing don't seem to effect the rest of the world just here.

Don't seem to hear about the mass shooting in other countries yet they all have access to rap and video games..

At some point that angle will just sound racist.

Have a great Thanksgiving

what ethnic group do you think is being targeted with the video game reference? Asians? Young Jewish kids?

 

[The moose]

what ethnic group do you think is being targeted with the video game reference? Asians? Young Jewish kids?

What ethnic group do you think the strip club dj was referring to with music?

 

[Lazybones]

No. Not the same at all. She's describing a situation where the threshold of probable cause is high enough to make searches the exception and not the rule.

Your description seems to remove what liberties we have left, opening the door for blatant targeting for whatever reason. So, where a small town turned fiefdom wants to hassle certain businesses or the 'wrong' types of people, they can do it legally?

Sharon, joe is making a very valid point.

Making another law will have ZERO impact on these type of horrible events. When joe says this, he is attacked by left leaving posters saying that he values his fancy guns over peoples lives.

His retort is, hold on. If you want to save lives, let’s do something that will actually help save lives.

some of you are saying, it’s against our civil liberties to be searched randomly. Is what this group doesn’t see is that it is the same thing when you arbitrarily infringe upon someone’s rights in any category. specifically my fancy guns.

 

[Beach Friends]

That is not it the difference is our country incarceration is a business not necessarily a state or federal thing. The need to keep private run prisons full is a real thing.

And we have found a point of agreement. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see dangers inherent in the privatization of prisons.

 

[Joe Okc]

No cops do not inspect my house. National guard officers would be the one to do so since my license is under their jurisdiction. And you still don't get it - there are NO random stop and search.. There are NO boogie man cops

If the police wants to search a house they need a search warrant - issued by a judge precisely as they do in the US.

One thing you did get right though.. If an unlicenced weapon is found on you or in your house. You will go to jail. That goes for guns and for certain types of knives as well.

Yes... I get it... I am not that dumb...
But my whole point is that you have a gun license. And if you are caught with a gun without a license, someone of authority can take it from you.
Now how close to correct on that am I?

 

[The moose]

I live in a beautiful neighborhood on 7 acres that backs up to the river.

1. the revolver is for home protection
2. The shotgun is for snakes and rodents, specifically armadillos and water moccasins that nest around the pond
3. 300 blackout for the hogs that have a tendency to make a mess of the yard and scare the heck out of my Yorkies.

some of you maybe should not jump to conclusions. Oh, I do have a nice video surveillance system. no real reason other than I can view my property from my phone. And I can see who is coming down my extended driveway.

I live in a beautiful neighborhood on 7 acres that backs up to the river.

1. the revolver is for home protection
2. The shotgun is for snakes and rodents, specifically armadillos and water moccasins that nest around the pond
3. 300 blackout for the hogs that have a tendency to make a mess of the yard and scare the heck out of my Yorkies.

some of you maybe should not jump to conclusions. Oh, I do have a nice video surveillance system. no real reason other than I can view my property from my phone. And I can see who is coming down my extended driveway.

I am glad you can figure out how to make money and live in the sticks. I would be in the sticks with you if I could do it without the crazy driving.

I am not allowed by law to shoot shirt in my yard. I have a whopping 8000 sq ft In new Orleans and that is a good sized lot. I see you have 300k sq ft. Huge difference.



Here is where us city folk and the rural people differ. A gun is for protection here.

 

[Sharon]

Sharon, joe is making a very valid point.

Making another law will have ZERO impact on these type of horrible events. When joe says this, he is attacked by left leaving posters saying that he values his fancy guns over peoples lives.

His retort is, hold on. If you want to save lives, let’s do something that will actually help save lives.

some of you are saying, it’s against our civil liberties to be searched randomly. Is what this group doesn’t see is that it is the same thing when you arbitrarily infringe upon someone’s rights in any category. specifically my fancy guns.

Sorry, I think I must be missing a whole lot of discussion that probably does not exist on this site. I am not approaching the issue as an "us" vs "them" because I believe we all have our own takes based on experience and thought processes and what not. I am not here to debate what some third party says "I" believe or said because "they" determined my beliefs based on whatever. I was listening to what Dragon and Joe were saying to each other. The whole "you people" thing is ridiculous when you think about it. I don't get the memos, and probably wouldn't bother reading them, anyway. LOL.

 

[The moose]

And we have found a point of agreement. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see dangers inherent in the privatization of prisons.

No they are the worst. The community they are in want them full because they usually employ the majority of the area.

Nothing about private prisons is good.

In fact you could say that about doing that in almost every industry. The only way they make it work is underpayment of staff, no pension for employees, and shirtty insurance opposed to what a state run one would have to offer.

So yeah some savings but who is paying is the working class.

 

[Dragon]

Yes... I get it... I am not that dumb...
But my whole point is that you have a gun license. And if you are caught with a gun without a license, someone of authority can take it from you.
Now how close to correct on that am I?

That is correct. Because it is illeagal to posses an unlicensed weapon. Someone is BREAKING the law. And as I wrote it is not only guns but specific weapons.
Over the last 10 years we have had THREE grace campaigns where people could turn in their weapons while applying for a license. If the application was successfuld they would get the weapon back. There are absolutely NO reason to not having a license if you want to be a law abiding citizent

 

[Beach Friends]

No they are the worst. The community they are in want them full because they usually employ the majority of the area.

Nothing about private prisons is good.

In fact you could say that about doing that in almost every industry. The only way they make it work is underpayment of staff, no pension for employees, and shirtty insurance opposed to what a state run one would have to offer.

So yeah some savings but who is paying is the working class.

All of that, and that's in addition to the financial incentive to send and retain people in prison. The lure of kickbacks for sending people to prison and then once you are in the system there is certainly plenty of motivation to keep you there by saying you are problem, etc.

 

[Lazybones]

I am glad you can figure out how to make money and live in the sticks. I would be in the sticks with you if I could do it without the crazy driving.

I am not allowed by law to shoot shirt in my yard. I have a whopping 8000 sq ft In new Orleans and that is a good sized lot. I see you have 300k sq ft. Huge difference.



Here is where us city folk and the rural people differ. A gun is for protection here.

I hear you. However, your original characterization didn’t take any of that into account. Instead you assumed things and made characterizations that were not true. This is what he opens when people would rather make a political statement than to try and understand why people do/believe certain things.

 

[Lazybones]

Sorry, I think I must be missing a whole lot of discussion that probably does not exist on this site. I am not approaching the issue as an "us" vs "them" because I believe we all have our own takes based on experience and thought processes and what not. I am not here to debate what some third party says "I" believe or said because "they" determined my beliefs based on whatever. I was listening to what Dragon and Joe were saying to each other. The whole "you people" thing is ridiculous when you think about it. I don't get the memos, and probably wouldn't bother reading them, anyway. LOL.

I gave you a summary of their conversation. You seemed to take issue with joe taking the position that he is taking based on civil liberties.

I am merely pointing out that what joe proposed infringes upon civil liberties that you seem to disagree with. Dragon and others, cold seat if I remember correctly, would like more laws to infringe upon civil liberties that joe disagrees with.

joes point, as I understood it based on the post in this thread, why should the government get to infringe on his gun rights when at the end of the day, these infringements will not accomplish what they are intending.

joe, if I am misrepresenting what your position is please let me know.

 

[The moose]

I hear you. However, your original characterization didn’t take any of that into account. Instead you assumed things and made characterizations that were not true. This is what he opens when people would rather make a political statement than to try and understand why people do/believe certain things.

Not really.

I think everything you shoot on your property could be done with a shotgun.

I think the AR-15 is like stupid overkill. Kinda like bill Murray in caddyshack really.

So yes I understand why you own an AR-15 for the same reason everyone else does it makes you feel like a bad arse that you are not in real life without it. Everyone gets that except the gun owner!

The shotgun will kill hogs and be much cheaper all around to do it but probably does nothing in the make you feel like an Alfa male department.

 

[Lazybones]

Not really.

I think everything you shoot on your property could be done with a shotgun.

I think the AR-15 is like stupid overkill. Kinda like bill Murray in caddyshack really.

So yes I understand why you own an AR-15 for the same reason everyone else does it makes you feel like a bad arse that you are not in real life without it. Everyone gets that except the gun owner!

The shotgun will kill hogs and be much cheaper all around to do it but probably does nothing in the make you feel like an Alfa male department.

have you ever hunted hogs?

 

[Lazybones]

That is correct. Because it is illeagal to posses an unlicensed weapon. Someone is BREAKING the law. And as I wrote it is not only guns but specific weapons.
Over the last 10 years we have had THREE grace campaigns where people could turn in their weapons while applying for a license. If the application was successfuld they would get the weapon back. There are absolutely NO reason to not having a license if you want to be a law abiding citizent

do you have any documentation to the outcomes of those campaigns?

 

[Dragon]

do you have any documentation to the outcomes of those campaigns?

As always - Yes

2017: 874 guns, 228 air/spring riffles og 562 blanks - knives, swords etc.. 320 explosives and a lot of ammunition. https://ekstrabladet.dk/112/vild-indsamling-saa-mange-ulovlige-vaaben-har-politiet-modtaget/6704634

2013 : 13.481 guns https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/politiet-fik-over-13.000-vaaben-under-frit-lejde

2009 9589 guns https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/frit-lejde-aktion-gav-9589-vaaben

It may not seem a lot to you but this a from a population of only 5 million,

 

[The moose]

have you ever hunted hogs?

How did the world do it before AR-15?

Yes you can kill hogs with almost anything. A rusted screwdriver if you got a big enough pair.

A 22 works but you have to get a head shot. So you have to be a good shot.

A shotgun definitely works killing hogs. Infact I am sure you can find ammo much cheaper designed to drop hogs.

Now if you need a whole clip in an AR-15 to kill a hog I would suggest practice shooting.

On a side note you can do it with a bow. A cousin of mine got tired of hunting so to make it more if a challenge he started to bow hunt 20 years ago. He lives up north in corn growing country where deer are like roaches.

He is good. Has not fired a gun since.

 

[Beach Friends]

How did the world do it before AR-15?

Yes you can kill hogs with almost anything. A rusted screwdriver if you got a big enough pair.

A 22 works but you have to get a head shot. So you have to be a good shot.

A shotgun definitely works killing hogs. Infact I am sure you can find ammo much cheaper designed to drop hogs.

Now if you need a whole clip in an AR-15 to kill a hog I would suggest practice shooting.

On a side note you can do it with a bow. A cousin of mine got tired of hunting so to make it more if a challenge he started to bow hunt 20 years ago. He lives up north in corn growing country where deer are like roaches.

He is good. Has not fired a gun since.

No offense, but you are really showing your ignorance on this topic.

Yes, you can absolutely kill a hog with a bow, shotgun or a rifle. But to declare that someone should be using a shotgun instead of a rifle with no knowledge about the range and terrain he is hunting on is laughable.

They are two different tools. There is some overlap, but that does not mean they are interchangeable.

Hell, that is true to the extent that I have walked through heavy brush to a deer stand carrying a shotgun with a rifle strapped on my back for use once I am in the stand.